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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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I know it sounds stupid, but the poop left in the toilet supports the theory that Rudy was in the house alone before Meredith arrived. I posted a textbook example years ago where burglars were interviewed about this poop phenomenon. Essentially, the burglars break into a house, get nervous, then have to use the toilet. They don't flush for two reasons: (1) they won't be able to hear the footsteps of someone entering the house while the toilet is flushing, or (2) they don't want the toilet to make a sound and alert someone to their presence. To me, it's very strong evidence that Rudy went into burglarize the house. I know it sounds stupid because this is based on poop, but it makes perfect sense. The truth is in the poop.

On the other hand, we must entertain the possibility that Rudy came over with AK and RS, took a poop in the toilet and forgot to flush, and a huge violent fight ensued that led to poor Meredith's death. That is obviously also a very strong possibility.

Trust me dude/dudette, nothing you could possibly post could match the stupidity of the Italian courts today.

But you've made a brilliant deduction. This "theory" of Crini's proves that Guede was in the cottage even before AK and RS had a chance to run over there to get involved in a pooh dust up.

Does no one in Italy believe in evidence or a comprehensive theory of the crime which explains it?
 
How do guilters sleep at night?

Crini has basically thumbed his own nose at the ISC from last March. No motive, no sex-game-gone wrong.... how do guilters sleep at night?
 
Jerry Springer won't touch this case. He's got standards.
I have it from a secret source that Comodi is seeking budget approval to spend another EURO 182,000 to do a sequel to her earlier cartoon. This one is to show the new prosecution theory - the poo-fight. It will be called "Who flung dung? - You decide!".

LOL. Who's the one who always has "Who's your daddy?" DNA tests? I think this one is for him.....

Pooh. Why'd it have to be pooh?
 
As ever, all this Comedy Gold isn't being mined by the MSM.

In fact, you can be sure they'll completely ignore it, except where they can paraphrase something to sound "sexy" for their readers/viewers/listeners.

They're busy making sure that this utter farce is reported as if it had some, you know, dignity or something.
 
How do guilters sleep at night?

Crini has basically thumbed his own nose at the ISC from last March. No motive, no sex-game-gone wrong.... how do guilters sleep at night?
They write this, Hopeful says
"Crini is magnificent! He’s absolutely crushing the defense."
Then go to bed in a happy mood.
 
The thing is you can't just take the psychic's word for it. You must get some other evidence or testimony, and make your case from that. . . .

. . . All they could come up with is she acted like she had recently killed someone and did cartwheels in the police station, when she should have been making a proper grief reaction.

The police knew they needed to get evidence or testimony. They were trying. They were very active.

We know the police listened to the cell phones of many people related to the case and checked alibis of many including the Italian guys who lived downstairs (all 4 travelled home for the long weekend and this was apparently verified by the police.) They probably were surveiling Knox and Sollecito in the days following the murder, and observed Patrick Lumumba walk up to and talk with Knox in the street near her school. The police apparently assumed it was suspicious contact. The police may have surreptitiously entered Sollecito's apartment to look at his laptop before that fateful night interrogation at night on Nov 5/6.

The police were in a great hurry to make an arrest to close the case because of all the media - Italian, UK, other European, and US - whose stringers or staff reporters descended on Perugia filing alarming stories about the gory murder. People needed to be reassured. Women wanted to know it was safe, and the city leaders had to be concerned that the media coverage would alarm visitors and foreign students. The police chief undoubtedly got that message from other city leaders. Rome sent police investigator Giobbi to help (he revealed himself not to be such a crack detective, but more of a crackpot detective.)

Knox's mother was to arrive in Perugia on Nov. 6 to be with her daughter, so the police were rushed to get Raffaele and then Amanda in for nighttime interrogation. Judge Massei told Knox that she was arrested when she was because her mother was about to arrive.

I reject your view that Knox acted like she had recently killed someone and failed to make a proper grief reaction. I find that very extreme and incorrect. Knox was in shock and grieving, as were the other housemates.

Knox was standing in the kitchen area and was talking on the phone with her mother in Seattle when the door was broken open. Knox did not see in the room, but heard the shouts and screams in Italian. Those standing in the hallway outside of Meredith's room saw the gore. Knox's view was obscured by about 6 people in the bedroom hallway or sitting area - the two postal police, Filomena and her boyfriend, Filomena's Italian girlfriend and the girlfriend's boyfriend. Raffaele was there somewhere, too. Knox was sheltered from seeing the gory murder scene and missed that additional trauma.

Knox was in shock and grief. Videos of her and Raffaele standing in the garden have been plucked to show dramatic facial views. That is what makes the news shows. Derogatory portions have been shown on video loop to repeat over and over to grab the viewers' attention. There are plenty of frames that show Knox's face in shock.

Knox grieved as others did. She cried. She choked up. She slumped. She teetered. She turned her head down. She looked distant. Some of it in the car on the way to the station when all parties were asked to come in to tell everything they could about Meredith and who and what they might know.

Knox is 6-7 years younger than Laura and Filomena, was closer to Meredith than they were, did not have the strong support of friends and colleagues that they have, and had difficulty communicating. She was shivering in light clothes without a coat in her front yard while the police were in the house investigated the crime. Raffaele offered her his jacket. He put his arms around her and kissed her on the forehead. That momentary footage is misused by the media to portray it as something different than him consoling her.

Please note that Filomena who was with friends at a market fair called a lawyer-colleague to help her the moment she learned that her room had been broken into. Her lawyer arrived at the house even before Filomena got back to her house. After the discovery of the body Filomena, too, stood in the front yard with her boyfriend embracing her and standing by her side offering support. One photo shows Filomena with her right arm around her boyfriend's waist with her hand in his back pocket. Nobody plays that to imply a negative connotation. Nobody sensationalizes that photo. Double standards are at play.

The account by the police that Knox did cartwheels while at the station appears false. It is a sensational claim to make, but apparently false. Knox had studied yoga and practiced yoga as exercise and to relax from tension (commonly referred to as stress in yoga parlance). She was in the hallway of a waiting area in the police station at night on Nov 5/6 when a male police officer came by and sat down to keep her company, commented on her exercises which she was doing when he came by, and asked her how agile she is. She showed him a stretch, like a splitz on the floor. Just then a female police offer came out of the elevator and mistook it for something it was not. I don't know what the original Italian word for the stretch was, but it has become cartwheel in English because it sensationalizes it and portrays Knox in a negative light. From that point on, it was useful to the police and prosecution to portray it as a cartwheel. You have fallen for it, too.
 
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They write this, Hopeful says
"Crini is magnificent! He’s absolutely crushing the defense."
Then go to bed in a happy mood.

Really? Crushing? What evidence did Crini cite which at all suggests that Rudy's pooh in Filomena's toilet caused Amanda to rush off to kill Meredith?

With a knife she just happened to be carrying for protection.

This is ludicrous. It's also not why the ISC quashed the acquittals.
 
Really? Crushing? What evidence did Crini cite which at all suggests that Rudy's pooh in Filomena's toilet caused Amanda to rush off to kill Meredith?

With a knife she just happened to be carrying for protection.

This is ludicrous. It's also not why the ISC quashed the acquittals.
This is as close to fundamentalism outside religion as I have seen. Lies presented as gospel truth.
 
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Trust me dude/dudette, nothing you could possibly post could match the stupidity of the Italian courts today.

But you've made a brilliant deduction. This "theory" of Crini's proves that Guede was in the cottage even before AK and RS had a chance to run over there to get involved in a pooh dust up.

Does no one in Italy believe in evidence or a comprehensive theory of the crime which explains it?

Like I said, the truth is in the poop.
 
Shabelnik v. Ukraine

19 February 2009, ECtHR, App no 16404/03

Violation of Article 6(1)

The applicant was called to testify about witnessing a crime, but during the first interview confessed of committing it (para. 57). The ECtHR held that the right to access a lawyer arises at the point that the person’s position is significantly affected, even if he is not formally taken into custody as a suspect. The Court explained that a person’s position will be significantly affected as soon as the suspicion against him is seriously investigated and the prosecution’s case compiled (para. 57).
 
LOL. Who's the one who always has "Who's your daddy?" DNA tests? I think this one is for him.....

Bill, you are referring to the Jerry Springer Show. It is a modern day freak show for TV!

In the mid-16th century, freak shows began to become popular pastimes in England. They were popular in the U.S. in the mid-19th century - most notably those promoted by the great showman, P.T. Barnum. People at fairs and carnivals would pay extra pennies to see the freak show. There you could see the "bearded lady", "man with two heads", and other extremes of nature. Some were real, others fake.

Now that society has advanced, you no longer need to go to a fair or carnival to see extremes of nature. Jerry Springer has brought the freak show to TV.

Dr. NancyS (a real physician, not an Italian BA grad) likes the Jerry Springer episode with the woman who married her horse. My favorite show was of the teenage boy who was trying to sort out his gender identify. School was out for the summer and he was hanging around the house wasting his time. His mother told him to stop sitting around on the couch and either "Get a job or get a sex change operation". He weighed his options, realized he didn't like work, chose the latter, and Jerry Springer kindly shared the details with the rest of us on national TV.
 
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They've consulted the psychic
They've consulted the graphologist
Now it's time to consult the poo-ologist
The last hope for solving the Murder of Poorugia (and that's a headline Barbie would be proud of)

It's too tragic to laugh about really, but this is such a huge mockery of justice
 
They've consulted the psychic
They've consulted the graphologist
Now it's time to consult the poo-ologist
The last hope for solving the Murder of Poorugia (and that's a headline Barbie would be proud of)

It's too tragic to laugh about really, but this is such a huge mockery of justice

All because of a bad kabob.
 
They've consulted the psychic
They've consulted the graphologist
Now it's time to consult the poo-ologist
The last hope for solving the Murder of Poorugia (and that's a headline Barbie would be proud of)

It's too tragic to laugh about really, but this is such a huge mockery of justice


Nancy always enjoy your posts. This isn't really directed at you but these things you mentioned seem to be lore.

I have searched for anything that verifies that Mignini used a psychic on this case or that a graphologist was used in court.

I have found supposed graphologists writing about her handwriting.

I really don't think that those that believe her innocent or just not guilty need to exaggerate anything about this case.

The idea that each piece of evidence doesn't need to hold up on its own is mind-boggling.

Curatolo needs to be exposed and the way they used his testimony in a way that he didn't present it needs to be exposed.

They need to ask if the police were lying when they said they knew what was correct or when they said they didn't lead her into the statements.

It appears they will make some lame defense and not go all out.
 
Nancy always enjoy your posts. This isn't really directed at you but these things you mentioned seem to be lore.

I have searched for anything that verifies that Mignini used a psychic on this case or that a graphologist was used in court.

I have found supposed graphologists writing about her handwriting.

I really don't think that those that believe her innocent or just not guilty need to exaggerate anything about this case.

The idea that each piece of evidence doesn't need to hold up on its own is mind-boggling.

Curatolo needs to be exposed and the way they used his testimony in a way that he didn't present it needs to be exposed.

They need to ask if the police were lying when they said they knew what was correct or when they said they didn't lead her into the statements.

It appears they will make some lame defense and not go all out.

Grinder - I promise you: after today's presentation by Crini, I will never mention the Satanic Rite theory again. Never. Okay, okay I cheated... I mentioned it in this post.

Can you tell me how confident Crini is about the reasons the ISC sent this back for a re-appeal? Crini believes in no motive, no pre-meditation, he does believe in psychopathology saying that Knox has a split personality... or was that Lumumba's lawyer? I'm so confused. Crini most certainly has presented nothing about a sex-game gone wrong; except if the reason why the sex went wrong was because someone poohed....

.... did I just type that? It's been that sort of day.
 
I'm so sorry if that came across as slightly glib, but it feels like there is nothing left to do but point out the ridiculous. The evidence is clear that Amanda and Raffaele are not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt - to claim a motive that involves poo is such a huge insult to all affected by this case
 
I guess it's disputed that Mignini consulted a psychic. However, it is becoming very clear that Crini has been consulting multiple proctologists in coming up with his theories. I don't which is worse!
 
I'm so sorry if that came across as slightly glib, but it feels like there is nothing left to do but point out the ridiculous. The evidence is clear that Amanda and Raffaele are not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt - to claim a motive that involves poo is such a huge insult to all affected by this case

I know CoulsdonUK reads here, and he has been very dedicated in not forgetting Meredith Kercher in all this. He's also resisted, really, expressing any opinion about guilt or innocence of the two accused.

My question is: is this process worthy of the horror that the Kerchers continue to endure? How much of this can that family really take? Were the Kerchers served, when the ISC last March, quashed the Hellmann acquittal, just so that Crini could reduce it to pooh, no motive, and no premeditation?

CoulsdonUK is high on my list for going for a pint together....
 
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I also wonder if Machiavelli will be back? Then again he'll come back just so that I will be 0-17 in the prediction department....

(0-18 if you count that I failed to predict the pooh as a motive....)
 
The Italian Supreme Court tasked Florence with cleaning up it's version of the Augean Stables. Crini, as a modern day Hercules, was tasked with this effort. Surprise - a strong smell of manure now lingers.

I have to chuckle at the google translation of the prosecutor's name. No wonder the poop topic was bound to arise. 'Osmotically' speaking, of course ...:rolleyes:
 
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