Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

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Michel H said:
Which "flaws" exactly are you talking about, dafydd?
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Calling the answers 'not credible' that did not fit into your fantasy. If you are telepathic then why don't you know where I live?
 
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I knew a couple of people back in college years who were very smart and capable but who ended up crazy or who cooked their brains to death with drugs. Sometimes a diploma is more sad than reassuring.
 
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bruto said:
I knew a couple of people back in college years who were very smart and capable but who ended up crazy or who cooked their brains to death with drugs.
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One of the most stable and intelligent people that I ever knew went outside one day in 1972 and told people that he was Jesus and punched those who did not believe him. He was taken away and sectioned. I never saw him again.
 
Michel H said:
Well, that's perhaps hard to tell. But people's mental sanity may perhaps need to be protected too ;). Everybody has his/her problems.
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Why would this affect anyone's sanity? You've seen a whole bunch of us here who are able to communicate with you when you type. Why would it be different in some other medium? You've even made the claim that just about everyone correctly receives your numbers, even though 75% of participants lie to you about it.

If you really want to convince people, take your messages off line and just use your magic.

Oh, but you can't. Because you know you don't have telepathic abilities. You'll just stick to 4 numbers and dishonest data manipulation. See, your failure in each and every test shows you can't do what you claim. But your refusal to take a serious test in an honest way shows you know, without reservation, that you are a fraud.

Followers of this site know how genuine believes behave. They want to take real, convincing tests, because they really think they will pass.
 
As someone who grew up in the notorious town of Berkeley, California (famous for its world-class University and its collection of crazy hippies), I can assure you all that a PhD is no guarantee of anything resembling sanity.

I remember one fellow in particular: one of the scraggliest, most unkempt street people in a town famous for its scraggly, unkempt street people. This guy would stand on a street corner and declaim the most bizarre gibberish. He hung out near where I worked, so I saw him pretty regularly, and not once did I hear him say anything that resembled a coherent English sentence. However, not only did he have a PhD, but he managed to get a job interview at Lawrence Livermore Labs, one of the country's top nuclear research facilities. The interview reportedly lasted just long enough for them to see and smell him.

Michel clearly isn't that far gone, but his grasp of basic scientific procedure (assuming he had one, which I'll grant arguendo) has obviously taken second place to his obsession with the voices in his head. He needs help none of us are qualified to offer, and I can only hope that he'll get himself to a doctor ASAP.
 
Michel H said:
Which "flaws" exactly are you talking about...
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Too few numbers to choose from guarantees that someone will guess at the right answer. As has been suggested before, using even the numbers 1 to 9 would make a "right" answer far more unlikely, and therefore hits more significant. If you increase this to 1 to 1000, a correct answer by chance is almost impossible with your small amount of test subjects. I would suggest using a truly blind group of numbers, say for example, a two digit number not smaller than 11 or larger than 99, chosen from a group of 50 contiguous numbers from the set, with the subset of 50 starting at a random number. 36 to 86 for example. Without telling the test subjects more than this, they would have to be receiving your telepathy to have a correct number.

Do away with your credibility ratings, instead, screen your applicants before the test.

Gather at least twenty test subjects.

Repeat the test as many times as you can.

Have a control group with a non-telepath performing the same ritual as you do at a different time, with a different number with a different set of test subjects. Compare hits and misses with this group.

In short, there is almost no redeeming qualities to your test. Its made up of flaws.
 
kid meatball said:
Too few numbers to choose from guarantees that someone will guess at the right answer. As has been suggested before, using even the numbers 1 to 9 would make a "right" answer far more unlikely, and therefore hits more significant. If you increase this to 1 to 1000, a correct answer by chance is almost impossible with your small amount of test subjects. I would suggest using a truly blind group of numbers, say for example, a two digit number not smaller than 11 or larger than 99, chosen from a group of 50 contiguous numbers from the set, with the subset of 50 starting at a random number. 36 to 86 for example. Without telling the test subjects more than this, they would have to be receiving your telepathy to have a correct number.
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You seem to be quite knowledgable about Michel's claim. Since you are setting test conditions that go beyond what Michel has stated would work in his posts here, I can only presume that you are in direct contact with Michel via this telepathy.

Apparently this telepathy that you share has no problem with preserving the order of digits. You have I presume tested this already.


Do away with your credibility ratings, instead, screen your applicants before the test.
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Michel seemed to be wanting a test of the receivers state of mind at the moment that they were receiving his message. You are saying that this isn't necessary. I keep wondering how you could know all this and yet not have applied for the MDC.


Gather at least twenty test subjects.

Repeat the test as many times as you can.
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Where does the magic number 20 come from? The statistics aren't going to care if you have 20 subjects doing 10 trials or 10 subjects doing 20 trials or just 1 subject doing 200 trials.


Have a control group with a non-telepath performing the same ritual as you do at a different time, with a different number with a different set of test subjects. Compare hits and misses with this group.
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Presumably you will be providing the crystal ball to identify a non-telepath for this control group.
 
Dan O. said:
You seem to be quite knowledgable about Michel's claim. Since you are setting test conditions that go beyond what Michel has stated would work in his posts here, I can only presume that you are in direct contact with Michel via this telepathy.

Apparently this telepathy that you share has no problem with preserving the order of digits. You have I presume tested this already.





Michel seemed to be wanting a test of the receivers state of mind at the moment that they were receiving his message. You are saying that this isn't necessary. I keep wondering how you could know all this and yet not have applied for the MDC.





Where does the magic number 20 come from? The statistics aren't going to care if you have 20 subjects doing 10 trials or 10 subjects doing 20 trials or just 1 subject doing 200 trials.





Presumably you will be providing the crystal ball to identify a non-telepath for this control group.
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It really is extraordinary that you get this far in and still think this is some formal negotiation over an official testing protocol.
 
Dan O. said:
I suggest that it is you that has misunderstood my position.
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Just what is your position in apparently encouraging the delusions of someone who believes voices are telling him to kill himself and clearly needs medical attention?
 
Dan O. said:
Apparently this telepathy that you share has no problem with preserving the order of digits. You have I presume tested this already.
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A hit is a hit. Get the right order of digits and you are a step closer to proving telepathy. You must make the test deliberately hard and random to eliminate guesses bases purely on chance. If he had a hundred test subjects and only four choices, when, by chance, the number he picks is guessed by the group 30 times, he can claim telepathy. If the number is much harder to guess, three correct hits out of 100 is significant.


Dan O. said:
Michel seemed to be wanting a test of the receivers state of mind at the moment that they were receiving his message. You are saying that this isn't necessary. I keep wondering how you could know all this and yet not have applied for the MDC.
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He has clearly stated that if they are wrong and they do not produce the number he "broadcast," they are lying. This presumes they have some sort of ability to hear his thoughts. I presume Michel has tested for this.:rolleyes:



Dan O. said:
Where does the magic number 20 come from? The statistics aren't going to care if you have 20 subjects doing 10 trials or 10 subjects doing 20 trials or just 1 subject doing 200 trials.
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Fine, use ten subjects. Use more than six. Use a thousand if you can get them. My point was, set up the test beforehand with an agreed upon, willing, and cooperative group. Further, repeat the test, as many times as you can. This still hasn't been done.


Dan O. said:
Presumably you will be providing the crystal ball to identify a non-telepath for this control group.
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When Michel provides the method he used to determine he is telepathic, I'll use that method to find someone who is not.

You asked for people to try to help him create a hardened test, then you pounce on anyone who tries. Where's your ideas to improve the test?
 
AdMan said:
Just what is your position in apparently encouraging the delusions of someone who believes voices are telling him to kill himself and clearly needs medical attention?
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Are you a medical doctor? Have you examined him? Are you even aware of his history which he has posted here and elsewhere?
 
Dan O. said:
Are you a medical doctor? Have you examined him? Are you even aware of his history which he has posted here and elsewhere?
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Probably not, which is why he recommended medical attention. Had he tried to prescribe him some pills or a surgery or something I could see your concern.
 
Dan O. said:
Are you a medical doctor? Have you examined him? Are you even aware of his history which he has posted here and elsewhere?
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Did he claim to be a doctor or to have examined him? What exactly promoted your questions?
 
Dan O. said:
AdMan said:
Just what is your position in apparently encouraging the delusions of someone who believes voices are telling him to kill himself and clearly needs medical attention?
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Are you a medical doctor? Have you examined him? Are you even aware of his history which he has posted here and elsewhere?
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I know what he's posted in this thread. Unless you have some information that he's not being honest when he talks about voices he's hearing that tell him to kill himself, I know enough about mental illness to tell him that he needs to seek medical attention.

Maybe you can direct us to where in his history he's said something that would indicate otherwise.
 
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