Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Supernaut]

Once my husband and I took the train from Seattle to LA. In Oregon, a family of skiers boarded -- two parents, with mostly teenagers. An attractive teenage girl was sitting behind us, and one of the teenage boys sat next to her. They made love all night, to the extent that two or three times my husband had to ask them to keep the moans down.

The next morning, as the family gathered their things together, one of the boy's sisters yelled at her mother, in shock, "They're holding hands under that blanket!" As if that was all they had been doing. Interestingly, the boy turned out to be kind of hideous-looking, in a completely acne-covered way. He definitely would not have been able to get away with it if he had boarded in the daylight.

I saw the girl walking through the LA terminal later, though, looking none the worse for wear.

Oh yeah - I can tell you, in the "cold light of day" (literally, it was early morning in Melbourne when we landed), as the two of us met our relatives, we were pretty much mortified after our 12-odd hours of canoodling.

But it's a fond memory - we wiled away what would have otherwise have been a pretty boring nite-flite.

I never saw her again.

ETA >> I have to say, it all started with letting a pretty girl sleep with her head on my shoulder for an hour or so.

 

[RWVBWL]

I get him, you get her...

Machiavelli believes that it is a certainty that Knox was implicated in (present for and involved in) the killing. It is a "fact", according to Machiavelli. So the rest are just his "connecting the dots" to explain the basis for a relationship and how it came to be that Knox had Guede over to her flat for sex the evening of the murder.<snip>

So Machiavelli apparently believes that Amanda Knox decided to invite Rudy Guede over to her pad for sex.
Hmmmm.

Why bring along the boyfriend then?
What chick invites her new dude over while she ***** some other dude silly?

Maybe Amanda is kinky,
as some, who believe the vibrator ain't a toy gag, seem to believe.
OK.

So who was Amanda's new boyfriend Raff supposed to bang?
Meredith?
Right...


But how come it is only Rudy Guede's DNA found inside of Meredith's vagina?

 

[Supernaut]

I have a feeling it's much more common than Machiavelli realizes.

Thankfully!

 

[Mary_H]

<snip>
Ok - I've got to clarify, it did involve some sleeping: I liked having her head on my shoulder.

No doubt.

Thankfully!

Now that I'm putting my mind to this, I am remembering some road trips in the '70's........trains, planes and automobiles........there is something about close proximity combined with plenty of time.....

 

[Mary_H]

So Machiavelli apparently believes that Amanda Knox decided to invite Rudy Guede over to her pad for sex.
Hmmmm.

Why bring along the boyfriend then?
What chick invites her new dude over while she ***** some other dude silly?

Maybe Amanda is kinky,
as some, who believe the vibrator ain't a toy gag, seem to believe.
OK.

So who was Amanda's new boyfriend Raff supposed to bang?
Meredith?
Right...


But how come it is only Rudy Guede's DNA found inside of Meredith's vagina?

Amanda wore condoms on both hands.

 

[RWVBWL]

Amanda wore condoms on both hands.

Guede is 1 sick, twisted bastardo!

The creep stepped in Meredith's blood and tracked it onto her pillow
before he placed her pillow under her mostly naked body, and he then raped her ...

Poor Rudy?
Right...
^^^^^^^ scumbag.

 

[kwill]

I only saw elements of the contrary; something incidental and irrelevant: among those elements I include the fact, that you may legitimately consider irrelevant, and maybe it is, that she was not in Perugia as a part of an academic exchange, she did not win a scholarship and was not on a program set in agreement with the University of Washington, she rather enrolled in a "free" or "anarchic" study program, that she decided independently from her University - while Meredith was there on an Erasmus scholarship.

That's possibly a record-length run-on sentence, and unfortunately I can't make much sense of it. I believe you're trying to say the highlighted words, which if read in order say the following:

I include the fact that she was not in Perugia as a part of an academic exchange, and was not on a program set in agreement with the University of Washington, she rather enrolled in a "free" or "anarchic" study program, that she decided independently from her University.

At least, that is the part that is of interest here. Meredith's situation is irrelevant, and I've left out the phrase about her having not won a scholarship, since no one has claimed that she was in Italy on a scholarship.

The italicized part is false. Erroneous. Fictitious. Fraudulent. Incorrect. That parrot is dead, sir. She was earning credit toward a legitimate degree at an accredited university in the USA, in a program that was arranged with her advisors at that university. If this interferes with your conception of her as a "party girl," then you'll have to find another way to reconcile that conflict.

By the way, it's difficult to get into the University of Washington. Only honor students (i.e., those with very good grades) and high entrance exam scores are really considered, and even then many of them don't make it. The "party girl" did.

 

[Supernaut]

.....Now that I'm putting my mind to this, I am remembering some road trips in the '70's........trains, planes and automobiles........there is something about close proximity combined with plenty of time.....

Close proximity, plenty of time, and nowhere else to be.

Some conversation, and then .......

 

[RWVBWL]

I luv my shoes!

So Machiavelli apparently believes that Amanda Knox decided to invite Rudy Guede over to her pad for sex.
Hmmmm.

Heya Machiavelli,
If Amanda invited Guede over for sex,
why did Guede have his shoes on when he stepped in Miss Kercher's blood and got it on her pillow, and also in the hallway?


I gather from reading your posts that romance is important to you when havin' sex, right?

Don't you, as I do,
remove your shoes for an evening of fun+pleasure?

I don't see any of Raff's shoeprints on that pillow placed under Meredith's naked body, do you?

Nor do I see any of Raff's sneaker shoe prints in the hallway tryin' to exit the flat, do you?

If Guede was there to have sex with Amanda,
why did he leave his shoes on,
but Raff took his off?

 

[RWVBWL]

No glasses?

I've always wondered why Guede wrote about drinking from the juice container.

Here's a passage from his German Diary:
"I asked her if I could drink something. She told me
to help myself as if I was at my place. I opened the
fridge and drank some apricot juice and water too.
Since she wasn't paying attention, I drank out of the
bottle because I didn't know where the glasses were,
and then I sat down."


But check out this pic:


There's a glass right by the sink.

So why does Guede lie?
Was this glass ever tested for fingerprints or DNA?
Just something I've wondered about for quite awhile...
RW

 

[RWVBWL]

Guede writes in his German Diary that after drinking juice and water from the bottle, he sat down.

Where?
At the kitchen table, pictured here?:



Is that why this tote bag is empty?
Sure looks like someone went thru it, don'tcha agree?
Who's was it? Any fingerprints or DNA on it too?
Another question I wondered about for awhile.
RW

 

[Supernaut]

Heya Machiavelli,
If Amanda invited Guede over for sex,
why did Guede have his shoes on when he stepped in Miss Kercher's blood and got it on her pillow, and also in the hallway?


I gather from reading your posts that romance is important to you when havin' sex, right?

Don't you, as I do,
remove your shoes for an evening of fun+pleasure?

I don't see any of Raff's shoeprints on that pillow placed under Meredith's naked body, do you?

Nor do I see any of Raff's sneaker shoe prints in the hallway tryin' to exit the flat, do you?

If Guede was there to have sex with Amanda,
why did he leave his shoes on,
but Raff took his off?

I'm ROTFL!

But I don't think mach is.

 

[Supernaut]

OK.

Here's what I think the Italian "authorities" are planning;

A verdict of "not guilty, insufficient evidence", as distinct from the Hellmann/Zanetti verdict of "innocent".

I think word has been out for some time, which is why Barbie Nadeau, and Mikey Winterbottom are pressing ahead with their "project", laughing and smiling.

This will mean that Amanda and Raff will be permanently living under a never-ending ****-storm of tabloid "speculation", and never actually acknowledged as innocent.

Phuq this chit.

 

[RWVBWL]

Raff did it, but why does Guede also still cover for Amanda?

I did?
<snip>Raffaele? Maybe one or two as a scared kid, but he later more than redeemed himself by steadfastly NOT lying about being Amanda's alibi, at the risk of himself going to jail for 25 years (indeed, he served four, so this was not a theoretical concept for him!)

Which leads me to a question for Machiavelli - an honest one, now that we've all dropped shields...

Can you, Machiavelli, account for Raffaele NOT ratting out Amanda, and himself escaping 25 years in jail, from a "guilt" perspective.
I'm asking because I cannot imagine the AK and RS of your scenario keeping loyal to each other. Esp. Raffaele. Why would a Raffaele NOT take a deal with the prosecutors to turn on the most hated woman in Italy? If Raffaele had done that in 2009, or more importantly in early 2010 when he'd already been convicted..... facing an appeal... no one would even know who he is right now.

They barely know who he is anyway? But why would a guilty Raffaele, knowing that Amanda was also guilty, not take a deal?
<snip>

Hi Bill Williams,
Here's another question for Machiavelli,
since it seems, from years of reading his postings, that he is close to the prosecution:

Why has Rudy Guede not turned on Amanda yet?

Where is the real detailed,
minute by minute account of what really happened that night,
according to Guede?

Why does Guede still maintain that he was on a date with Meredith?
Why not say that he met AK and she invited him over to blaze a fatty and have sex, + that Raff watched? Afterwards, he got dressed, re-tied his sneakers, and then they all 3 tried to make Meredith join in their fun, for round 2, where upon things got outta hand?

Rudy Guede,
serving his reduced sentence of 16 years for rape+murder of Miss Meredith Kercher, does not have anything left to lose, right?

So why still cover for Amanda Knox?

 

[Matthew Best]

So why still cover for Amanda Knox?

Presumably he's afraid she will kill him if he talks.

 

[Dan O.]

I've always wondered why Guede wrote about drinking from the juice container.

Here's a passage from his German Diary:
"I asked her if I could drink something. She told me
to help myself as if I was at my place. I opened the
fridge and drank some apricot juice and water too.
Since she wasn't paying attention, I drank out of the
bottle because I didn't know where the glasses were,
and then I sat down."


But check out this pic:
[qimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img208/6899/icre.jpg[/qimg]

There's a glass right by the sink.

So why does Guede lie?
Was this glass ever tested for fingerprints or DNA?
Just something I've wondered about for quite awhile...
RW

As I recall, that glass had a fingerprint of Amanda's on it. She could have gotten it out that morning when she came back to shower.

 

[Dan O.]

Amanda's MySpace page, and Amanda's diary.

You quite obviously have never read Amanda's MySpace page or her diary.

Amanda Knox Myspace Blog:
"in fact, met a guy named xxxxxxxxxx on the train to florence from milan, and we ended up hanging out together in florence, where he bought both deanna and i dinner and then, when deanna went to bed, we smoked up together, my first time in italy..."

Amanda's diary lists all of her sexual partners (from Italy and before). Guess what name is missing from that list.

In her Memoir, she does talk about going back to this guy's room and making out but they did not have intercourse because they didn't have a condom.

So you have lied again trying to cover up your previous lie.

 

[Bill Williams]

Amanda really seems to like men. Where did the evidence come from that she was attracted to Meredith, as you have suggested in the past?

Machiavelli has said this....

She premeditated something, but not a crime nor an agression, in my opinion. I think she wanted to have a sexual interourse/ play a sexual game with Meredith. She was sexually attracted by Meredith or wanted her sexual attention - and/or that of her boyfriend, to her narcissistic satisfaction.
I think her attempt to seek Meredith around Hallowen became more intense because Meredith's boyfriend was away and she was alone over the days 31.-2.
The clues in Amanda's behavior point to conclude that she was trying to be seductive towards Meredith and her boyfriend, rather than openly vindicative. She told Meredith she, Amanda, would like to be seen naked "by the boyfriends of my friends", she often attempted to attract her attention by doing awkward things, especially whenever Meredith had visits, she wanted to be powerful and imitated the roomate with the leading personality, she was sexually competitive even with clients of the pub where she and Meredith worked. She was always attempting to gain power over Meredith and attention from her.

And Amanda's phone number was in the cell phone memory of a bunch of drug dealers who used to give drughs to female student in exchange of sex. Knox was known by and attended the same places of pushers (like Kokomani), of Rudy and other drug dealers. She belonged to an unsavory crowd.

 

[RWVBWL]

Presumably he's afraid she will kill him if he talks.

Hahaha,
I thought Guede was afraid of The Albanian Mafia,
not The Yellow is Mellow Gang...


Kidding aside,
If Amanda is really innocent,
I can see why Raff stood up for her.

But Guede?
He already has The Deal.
Got his Fast Track Trial break
AND that extra "Poor Rudy" 6 year reduction that Mignini+prosecution did not appeal.

Still Guede won't rat out Amanda in very detailed specifics.
Why not? Because she was not there?

 

[Bill Williams]

You quite obviously have never read Amanda's MySpace page or her diary.

Amanda Knox Myspace Blog:
"in fact, met a guy named xxxxxxxxxx on the train to florence from milan, and we ended up hanging out together in florence, where he bought both deanna and i dinner and then, when deanna went to bed, we smoked up together, my first time in italy..."

Amanda's diary lists all of her sexual partners (from Italy and before). Guess what name is missing from that list.

In her Memoir, she does talk about going back to this guy's room and making out but they did not have intercourse because they didn't have a condom.

So you have lied again trying to cover up your previous lie.

Ok - time to cut some slack to Machiavelli on this one. Knox sent a private note to a friend saying she'd had sex on a train, then acknowledged it was a just a joke because of the way that Italian men were looking at her and her sister. This note was intercepted by a British tabloid and the meme was born. The episode with Frederico is a differing one, although they met on a train.

The only sane thing to report, really, is that this took about 3/4 of an hour to root out when I first started posting about this.