Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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RoseMontague said:
IIRC the story came out right after the news that Curatolo was a drug dealer and in jail. A local (Perugia) news source released the story without even a reporter's byline. It was in turn picked up by just a few other Italian sources with little information added. As time went by the story among the pro-guilt faction became AK had a drug dealer on speed dial and had called him both immediately before and after the murder. Interesting to see how the lie grew. Both the timing and the lack of details made the story highly suspect. And nothing new has come out about it since. That is, until Machiavelli claims he knows the lawyers involved and is getting his information from them. Sorry, not buying it. It is complete BS, in my opinion.
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I discounted it as BS as soon as it came out. This is because there had already been similar stories about Amanda calling Patrick after the murder and of Amanda calling Rudy before and after the murder. It has the feel of a standard story line that the police automatically release to discredit their suspects.

There is a limit to the number of times I will permit the little boy to cry wolf. I won't accept any phone call stories unless actual phone records or direct testimony is produced.
 
Dan O. said:
Not much chance. This is Italy where the phone companies are requires by law to track all calls. The only possibility for there even being a delay in acquiring the call origin is if the call went to a cell phone of Lana's with a foreign sim. Now you are also talking about international prank calls.

There is a possibility that the call origin was traced only to a cell number belonging to a kid in Rome. The police in Rome would have quickly extracted a confession from the kid and dropped it after the parents paid a moderate fine. But that doesn't preclude the phone's sim having been duplicated by criminals for emergency untraceable one time use and as a result some poor innocent kid in Rome has had his phone priveledged grounded for life.
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Man, the world has changed since when I was a kid. Prank phone calls were par for the course. But then again, wireless didn't exist and you could make calls anonymously.

Do you have Prince Albert in a can?
 
Kestrel said:
Some people grow up with a worldview that hasn't really changed from the middle ages. They believe that Satan walks the Earth and see the devil's work everyplace they look.
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You've obviously never been to Toronto lately.... just saying.....
 
RoseMontague said:
IIRC the story came out right after the news that Curatolo was a drug dealer and in jail. A local (Perugia) news source released the story without even a reporter's byline. It was in turn picked up by just a few other Italian sources with little information added. As time went by the story among the pro-guilt faction became AK had a drug dealer on speed dial and had called him both immediately before and after the murder. Interesting to see how the lie grew. Both the timing and the lack of details made the story highly suspect. And nothing new has come out about it since. That is, until Machiavelli claims he knows the lawyers involved and is getting his information from them. Sorry, not buying it. It is complete BS, in my opinion.
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Dan O. said:
I discounted it as BS as soon as it came out. This is because there had already been similar stories about Amanda calling Patrick after the murder and of Amanda calling Rudy before and after the murder. It has the feel of a standard story line that the police automatically release to discredit their suspects.

There is a limit to the number of times I will permit the little boy to cry wolf. I won't accept any phone call stories unless actual phone records or direct testimony is produced.
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What is clear is that there is no factoid faint enough for Machiavelli to find hidden meaning to vilify Amanda Knox, or protect A**** V*** or Mr. M******.

Yet challenge someone's use of the title "Dr." and you're a criminal!?!?
 
RoseMontague said:
IIRC the story came out right after the news that Curatolo was a drug dealer and in jail. A local (Perugia) news source released the story without even a reporter's byline. It was in turn picked up by just a few other Italian sources with little information added. As time went by the story among the pro-guilt faction became AK had a drug dealer on speed dial and had called him both immediately before and after the murder. Interesting to see how the lie grew. Both the timing and the lack of details made the story highly suspect. And nothing new has come out about it since. That is, until Machiavelli claims he knows the lawyers involved and is getting his information from them. Sorry, not buying it. It is complete BS, in my opinion.
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Considering that we have Amanda's phone records, I would call this a complete fabrication.
 
acbytesla said:
I was really shocked when the accusations of Satanic rituals and some articles suggesting that this was some dark secret about Seattle. Having lived in and around Seattle for more than 40 years, I found that to be an incredibly bizarre notion.
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acbytesla,
I'll see you at the coven meeting tomorrow at 7. Afterwards, we're going over to Starbucks for a latte. Can you stay for that?
Strozzi
 
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Strozzi said:
acbytesla,
I'll see you at the coven gathering tomorrow at 7. Afterwards, we're going over to Starbucks for a latte. Can you stay for that?
Strozzi
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Do we have enough for a full coven?? I think you need 13. Is Bill Gates going to be there this time??
 
RoseMontague said:
Actually there are quite a few Wiccan churches/covens in the Seattle area compared to other areas in the country. This has nothing to do with Satanic rituals but may be the reason for this perception.

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/gr/uswa_gra.html
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acbytesla said:
Wiccans of course do not worship Satan. It is a religion based on nature.
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I'm not just saying this to bug Machiavelli.....

Wicca has nothing to do with Satanism, whatever that is. Most certainly the kind of medieval "Satanism" talked about with the Narducci case, and the whole Monster of Florence saga.... is as far removed from Wicca to make the comparison laughable.

Ok, ok, maybe I am saying this just to bug Machiavelli....
 
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Charlie Wilkes said:
You don't know his name. Why am I not surprised.

But let's pursue this further.

Do you know the circumstances through which this unnamed individual was in contact with Amanda? Do you know if these circumstances had anything to do with drugs? Do you know whether he was selling drugs at the time when he was in contact with her, or whether she would have known if he was?

This information would be necessary to establish any meaningful claim pertaining to her acquaintance with this person, assuming even that much is true. It can be left comfortably vague if the only point is to throw out a drive-by smear. That is what you and your ilk excel in doing. It is the only thing you do well. You are an absolute master of greasy, lecherous, malicious innuendo. Your mother must be so proud.
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The irony of this, is that now I am speaking with a person who is known for having confortably pushing a Dreyfuss-affair-like conspiracy theory involving tens of people at any levels in Perugia and Rome, basically with zero elements of facts or logic.

Let's make clear the point insted: the fact that Knox's phone number was in a drug dealer's cell phone memory is a fact, as well as their mutual phone contacts.
This is an element, a factual element. Period. The fact that we may not access further information around it, it does not make the element go away. And you are morally and factually wrong in calling me a "greasy, lecherous" originator of "malicious innuendo", because both the element itself, and both the fact that our further information is limited, just does not originate from me.
You are wrong at blaming me for the fact that the element meaning "vague": I have no blame and you know it, if the information is a fragment, it's not my fault. You are so wrong insofar as I if I had specific information I would certainly provide them. Moreover I am not the person involved and I am not the person who has interest in giving explanations. Objectively I have no personal interest in offering explanations for why a telephone number was in a drug dealer's cell phone, since I'm not the owner of the phone number. Imagine if we were talking about the phone number of a politician or a celebrity: you wouldn't say I'm malicious and vague. The owner who may have this interest, if he/she is a public or famous person who has a public reputation to tak care of (a person who is the object of public activism from a support group, such as Amanda Knox, may have an interest about giving explanations).
 
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