Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[moodstream]

The blood if diluted enough could light up under luminol and test negative with TMB.

Someone long before the murder night could have had a diluted water and blood mixture from the bidet or shower on their foot and walked around a little.

Blood is very hard to completely remove. Blood can be found long after a crime and even if a cleaning was attempted.

The blood source could be a cut, a nose bleed or something else.

Thanks. I cannot work out a scenario where the footprints could have been made in the aftermath of the murder. 1) no clean up in the area of footprints - footprints are too clear. 2) not from direct transfer - foot prints would be visible or a literal track record of some sort would form. I can only think of diluted blood + water from clean in another place which would have to be the bathroom, but why leave the bathmat and why not clean off the faucet?

*Can* the claim be anything more than wishful thinking? Sometimes I wish reasonable guilters - such perhaps as thoughtful - would come on the board and give me their pov. ( But then, fear can be a powerful motivator, even for the geniuses among us).

 

[Bill Williams]

Did you talk immigration into letting Frank into Canada? Yes or No.

Grinder - seriously, give your head a shake. Read your question again. Read it a few times.

The truth is that David Marriott, as part of this giant PR Supertanker effort, supplied me with fake diplomatic credentials, so that I could get trained and seasoned immigration officials to turn a blind eye to the international fugitive known as "Frank Sfarzo".

I had to don false eye-brows, as well as a Mission Impossible plastic mask to change my appearance... I will admit it was not a wise choice to use the Barack Obama mask.... because they were confused as to why the President of The United States had no Secret Service protection.... except for this crazy, raving Italian at his side.

But you have to admit, it worked as a diversion so that Frank could slip into the trunk of the car.....

Lessee, what else do you need to know?

Grinder - seriously dude - reread your question.

I need to know if you're really NSA, because us CIA types don't like this sort of inter-service investigation......

Who are you?

 

[snook1]

You may not have got the memo, but Machiavelli was in court on the 6th, tweeting furiously, and the tweeting stopped as soon as it became clear what the RIS Carabinieri were saying. Machiavelli THEN made some lame excuse about the WiFi in the courtroom.

I'm not intending to get involved with whatever you have here Bill and Grinder, but it is what it is, really. Macchiavelli knew what happened there in the court when RIS started testifying and now he comes in here and he's lying and lying and lying again. Ewww.

It's scary how guilters really have no honour.

 

[Bill Williams]

You may not have got the memo, but Machiavelli was in court on the 6th, tweeting furiously, and the tweeting stopped as soon as it became clear what the RIS Carabinieri were saying. Machiavelli THEN made some lame excuse about the WiFi in the courtroom.

I'm not intending to get involved with whatever you have here Bill and Grinder, but it is what it is, really. Macchiavelli knew what happened there in the court when RIS started testifying and now he comes in here and he's lying and lying and lying again. Ewww.

It's scary how guilters really have no honour.

Heck, I'm not even sure whatever Grinder and I have going.... if you have any wisdom, I'd like to hear what a third party thinks of it!

But then again, snook1, that is the issue isn't it? Machiavelli can sit through the RIS Carabinieri and then come back here to this forum and simply lie about it.

Isn't THAT the issue which is of import?

But I have to go.... there's a few more international fugitives I have to spirit across the border, sight unseen by those keystone-cop immigration types.

 

[Grinder]

Grinder - who are you!?

Wow. I "accused" you "falsely of having some past issue with CD?" Wow. Please at least do me the courtesy of rereading... my wondering was if she'd cut you off in traffic... and you've made a federal case out of that "accusation".

What is truly amusing here is that you have me as some sort of "somebody" here. You demand to know things about me, and it is positively amusing to read your "yes or no" demands. I don't think I've chuckled so hard, really.

I "badger" Mach and Andrea? You may not have got the memo, but Machiavelli was in court on the 6th, tweeting furiously, and the tweeting stopped as soon as it became clear what the RIS Carabinieri were saying. Machiavelli THEN made some lame excuse about the WiFi in the courtroom.

Andrea Vogt who was part of the "I was There" fiasco when the media were all lined up against Amanda Knox, herself is perhaps one of the last journalists who say anything positive about Mr. Mignini, who she even often admits is her sole source for her pieces.

Machiavelli comes out of the blue on two occasions, both times to defend Andrea Vogt. Both Andrea and Machiavelli demonize Knox and Sollecito, they throw Barbie Nadeau under a bus (with the "approximate reporter" comment)....

..... and all you can say is that I badger them with their relationships?

You may not have got the memo, but Andrea was once one of perhaps five go-to journalists on this case, and is now perhaps the last guilter-journalist, particulary perhaps the last journalist who goes to Mignini as a source.

Machiavelli/Yummi is perhaps the most virulent of internet folk on the guilter side, with the possible exception of Harry Rag, Peter Q., Peggy G., and BRMull.

And you equate me..... wee little old me.... as having some sort of influence on this comparable to them?

Grinder - who the heck are you!? Please come clean.... did Candace Dempsey once cut you off in traffic? (I'm now getting the feeling I once cut you off in traffic!)

The traffic remark was just the last one. You've made these in the past. Not worth my while to find them.

You have a relationship with the FOA, Frank and CD from what I've been able to stitch together but you refuse to answer direct questions. You badger Mach and ask for yes/no answers but then refuse to answer similar questions when asked of you.

I in no way imply that you are in any way important but here on this board you support certain writers while dissing others and you have a relationship with those that you support.

Vogt, like most all reporters, covered the "I was there" intercept. She didn't make it up and didn't give it the emphasis you attribute to her.

Mach is just one of many commenters and just because he is there doesn't make him something special that needs to answer questions the way you want. It is clear that he has met Mignini since he has said so. But you refuse to produce details or anything about your relationship with Frank.

 

[davefoc]

Thanks. I cannot work out a scenario where the footprints could have been made in the aftermath of the murder. 1) no clean up in the area of footprints - footprints are too clear. 2) not from direct transfer - foot prints would be visible or a literal track record of some sort would form. I can only think of diluted blood + water from clean in another place which would have to be the bathroom, but why leave the bathmat and why not clean off the faucet?

*Can* the claim be anything more than wishful thinking? Sometimes I wish reasonable guilters - such perhaps as thoughtful - would come on the board and give me their pov. ( But then, fear can be a powerful motivator, even for the geniuses among us).

I've tried to understand this footprint "evidence" also without a lot of success. A lot of the issue has been buried under this discussion about TMB and luminol. It has been informative on the technical issues but not on exactly what these "footprints" might have to do with anything.

It not clear based only on the discussion in this thread whether they might contain blood or not. For the moment, I trust Grinder and Machiavelli on this, it is possible. But it is a possibility that seems irrelevant in a case for which proof beyond a reasonable doubt is the issue. Machiavelli says that the nature of the "footprints" is enough to convince a trained scientist that they contained blood. I'm not so sure about that but even as has been noted even if one accepts Machiavelli's reasoning on this there is still nothing here that indicates RS or AK guilt.

I might have this wrong, but it seems like the "footprints" are being used as an element of a circularly reasoned scenario to prove a cleanup. Something like the "footprints" would indicate guilt if they could be interpreted as AK or RS footprints and since they are guilty they must be their footprints and since there is insufficient blood in them to indicate that they were made at the time of the crime they must have been cleaned up, and therefore, assuming Guede didn't stick around to do a clean up, AK or RS cleaned up the footprints. And since AK or RS cleaned up the "footprints" they are guilty.

 

[Grinder]

I'm not intending to get involved with whatever you have here Bill and Grinder, but it is what it is, really. Macchiavelli knew what happened there in the court when RIS started testifying and now he comes in here and he's lying and lying and lying again. Ewww.

It's scary how guilters really have no honour.

I don't know yet exactly what was said in court by the RIS. Historically Mach/Yummi has been correct in calling results over there.

Bill and other PIP have been wrong most of the time.

I hope that the RIS stated what the PIP are reporting but I just don't know yet what is correct.

I wonder why if the tweeting stopped and that proves something, why the conspirasists think he didn't just make up their testimony as it was happening.

 

[Machiavelli]

It sounds like you are claiming that a spread spectrum radio signal can exist in an area at one time sufficient to establish a connection and not exist in that same area at other times being as if your phone was turned off. But you didn't turn your phone off did you. Here you insist that it's the signal but elsewhere you insist the person must have turned their phone off. It's like a different set of rules apply to yourself.

Elsewhere? What are you talking about?
I don't know anything about radio signals, and I'm not an expert about connection problems: I don't know why at a certain time I had problems connecting to the internet. Anyway I am talking about an internet connection, not about phone or radio signal.
What I know is that it's the second time that this problem occurred to me in that very same courtroom. Also on oct 20. I started having problems connecting in that room from a certain hour on.

I point out that I did not stop twitting: the whole list of my tweets is available at TJMK, and you see it's about the whole hearing; there was no stop, it's just a delay. At a certain point (the time of Sollecito's speech) I stopped writing them since I realize I couldn't send them. The previous tweets were all awaiting sending as "drafts" and marked with "sending error", as I walked out the courtroom the device sent the whole list of all "drafts". So a number of tweeets were just delayed. But then they were forwarded. Then, when I was in the lounge I sent some other tweets recalling some other details about the hearing. Obviously I also took notes.

 

[ArtemisTheCat]

As a lurker here who has been rapidly reading trying to catch up, I would like to say bravo to whoever pointed out that Machiavelli has been and continues to "accuse innocents" in his sleep deprived state.
that said I don't want him to get mad and go away because it is good to hear what the nasties are saying without having to go and read the drivel they write on the hate sites.

 

[snook1]

Heck, I'm not even sure whatever Grinder and I have going.... if you have any wisdom, I'd like to hear what a third party thinks of it!

But then again, snook1, that is the issue isn't it? Machiavelli can sit through the RIS Carabinieri and then come back here to this forum and simply lie about it.

Isn't THAT the issue which is of import?

But I have to go.... there's a few more international fugitives i have to spirit across the border, sight unseen by those keystone-cop immigration types.

It IS the issue here. It really is.

For years now, PGP's lying is being exposed on a daily basis. It should be recognized and it should be exposed. Lie after lie, day after day. Macchiavelli, though much smarter than me - it seems - is a typical biased PG person. He's willing to, as you say, go to the court session; listen to the testimony and spin it to the point where positive news for the justice turns out to be positive news for the prosecution and their sloppy co-workers AKA (mop wrapping) Dr Stefanoni.

RIS made it clear. It's really not debatable. Macchiavelli just can't stand that his point of view wasn't exactly the one of the RIS. It all looks like 2011 again, really (though the outcome may be very different).

I think PGP, along with Vogt, should be exposed and they should be reminded of just how wrong they are and it seems that you're doing just that, which I'm grateful for.

 

[Bill Williams]

Vogt, like most all reporters, covered the "I was there" intercept. She didn't make it up and didn't give it the emphasis you attribute to her.

Mach is just one of many commenters and just because he is there doesn't make him something special that needs to answer questions the way you want. It is clear that he has met Mignini since he has said so. But you refuse to produce details or anything about your relationship with Frank.

Grinder - please give your head a shake. I'm serious.

It's true, Mach actually does not "need" to answer questions. He is also not accountable to me.

You want me to be accountable to you. So - who the heck are you?

**************

But of substance.... Andrea continues to promote Mignini's side of things... the big news is that she's now reporting that C&V DNA report, debunking Stefanoni, is valid and now before the Nencini court.

Machiavelli calls Vecchiotti a "criminal." Machiavelli is the one who defended Vogt's unique interpretation of "I was there", to make it mean that it was a confession on the part of Knox. Machiavelli said that Knox and her mother were speaking in "Mafia-code", and that's why the wool had been pulled over the innocentisi eyes... apparently, none of us, save for Knox and her mother, speak Mafia-code.

 

[Grinder]

The truth is that David Marriott, as part of this giant PR Supertanker effort, supplied me with fake diplomatic credentials, so that I could get trained and seasoned immigration officials to turn a blind eye to the international fugitive known as "Frank Sfarzo".

Why can't you bring yourself to make a straightforward statement. Sleep deprived?

Why don't you just say you never met him? Or say exactly what your relationship is with him?

 

[Diocletus]

I point out that I did not stop twitting: the whole list of my tweets is available at TJMK, and you see it's about the whole hearing; there was no stop, it's just a delay. At a certain point (the time of Sollecito's speech) I stopped writing them since I realize I couldn't send them. The previous tweets were all awaiting sending as "drafts" and marked with "sending error", as I walked out the courtroom the device sent the whole list of all "drafts". So a number of tweeets were just delayed. But then they were forwarded.

Hmm. Sounds just like when Sollecito's phone later picked up the message from the night before . . .

 

[Bill Williams]

As a lurker here who has been rapidly reading trying to catch up, I would like to say bravo to whoever pointed out that Machiavelli has been and continues to "accuse innocents" in his sleep deprived state.
that said I don't want him to get mad and go away because it is good to hear what the nasties are saying without having to go and read the drivel they write on the hate sites.

Speaking personally, I hope he gets the issue dealt with. No one should have to deal with what he reports.

But it does produce some of the weirdest writings seen in a long while....

 

[Grinder]

Hmm. Sounds just like when Sollecito's phone later picked up the message from the night before . . .

 

[Bill Williams]

Why can't you bring yourself to make a straightforward statement. Sleep deprived?

Why don't you just say you never met him? Or say exactly what your relationship is with him?

Grinder - you may have noticed that I mainly ignore these sorts of posts. There's a bit of a chuckle, then I move on.

It must be a slow day. It's not sleep issues, I assure you.... but then again, you're going to go into your own international database to see if you can hack into my sleep-pathologists mainframe to get the real skinny on that, aren't you!?

Soon, I will return to simply ignoring you. What might change all this is if you say who you are - I'm just dying to say, "And who wants to know?"

I've had a few PMs which want me to return to saying, "Whatever". They are now chuckling at me that I'm rising to the bait.

I HATE being chuckled at!

 

[Strozzi]

Thanks. I cannot work out a scenario where the footprints could have been made in the aftermath of the murder. 1) no clean up in the area of footprints - footprints are too clear. 2) not from direct transfer - foot prints would be visible or a literal track record of some sort would form. I can only think of diluted blood + water from clean in another place which would have to be the bathroom, but why leave the bathmat and why not clean off the faucet?

*Can* the claim be anything more than wishful thinking? Sometimes I wish reasonable guilters - such perhaps as thoughtful - would come on the board and give me their pov. ( But then, fear can be a powerful motivator, even for the geniuses among us).

The reason the bath mat was left there and the reason the faucet was not cleaned is that Rudy was in a hurry to return to Meredith's room and take care of things there. The dirty bath mat Rudy left behind and the footprints he tracked have nothing to do with anyone else, in spite of the scenario-building investigators and guilters want or need it to be. No "cleaning crew" followed up behind him in any room or space in the house.

Rudy was a lone-wolf burglar who needed to steal rent money and resellable items. He would not want an accomplice because he would not want to share the loot. A former semi-pro basketball player who can bob and weave and jump and stretch with the local A team, he was fully capable of getting in a window by himself on the obscure side of the house.

 

[Skind]

Hmm. Sounds just like when Sollecito's phone later picked up the message from the night before . . .

Yeah, it's almost as if the makers of such devices forsaw events where there may be a delay in sending/receiving a message straight away and decided to build a system that would allow devices to send and receive messages as and when they next became able.

Hmm, that sounded a lot snappier in my head.

 

[Diocletus]

Yeah, it's almost as if the makers of such devices forsaw events where there may be a delay in sending/receiving a message straight away and decided to build a system that would allow devices to send and receive messages as and when they next became able.

Yeah. Either that, or Machiavelli actually turned his phone off and is now lying about it. You decide.

 

[snook1]

Yeah. Either that, or Machiavelli actually turned his phone off and is now lying about it. You decide.