Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Machiavelli]

When they are working as judges they're not working as prosecutors and vice versa.

It's correct.
But they are expected to make assessments anyway, even if they change functions they obey to the same principles. They produce legal actions out of their assessment and on the same ground principles.

 

[MDDVS]

However I agree with you that the promiscuity between prosecution and judges in Italy is one of the problems with their judicial system.

 

[RandyN]

I've already gone thru the facts that I need for conviction with 100 percent confidence.

I think her written statement alone is enough to convict her.

Why do you think the cops would want to force her to confess? She is nothing to them. You act like she was the Italian version of Al Capone and they wanted to nail her. I would be surprised if they thought she did it at first given her youth and being a female.

Actually something I agree with you on. I dont think the police had anything against Knox particularly. They thought she acted strange and they thought she may know something...especially since the morning of the 5th of Nov they see a black man approach her outside her school and speak with her. And some sort of evidence indicated a black man...possibly a hair sample??? And later they find a text and reply from this black man, and....

They jump to the complete wrong conclusion. But getting no where they decide to put the screws tighter since momma bear was flying in next day. Lets at least get her locked up and we can sort it out later.

And look...they did figure it out eventually. Except Guede was the black guy and the evidence positively proves he acted alone or else he had the help of a ghostly non DNA shed-er who could float over the scene and leave absolutely no trace...

And sure smart police and prosecutors would normally toss up their hands and say opps sorry...but we have a record on G Mignini cases and he is to put it kindly...a little different. He digs up dead bodies and concocts a double body swap that involves more than 20 members of the mans friends and family and also a masonic conspiracy...in short the man is certifiable. And 6 years ago AK, RS and the Kerchers had the misfortune of having this nut job put in charge of this case.

This simple incredible bad luck of the draw has caused insurmountable additional and needless pain to these parties in addition to the original tragedy of losing a beautiful young girl to a brutal murderer.

The truth is that this is a simple case. Just like Narducci's suicide was a simple case. But put into the hands of a madman with a history of corrupt abuse of office and it is still not hard to see the clear picture. What is incomprehensible is how gullible and or stupid the average person actually is.

Your arguments are weak and old and long ago debated and disproved. I would gladly consider anything new and relevant. Read these thousands of pages and show how we now got it all wrong. Start with the time line proving guilt...here is a start...

At 8:20 PM on Nov 1st 2007 we find evidence that RS and AK are????what where when? At 8:21 they are...etc...

We can do this for Rudy Guede and every single fact fits or can be explained. Go ahead...be the first one to do it. The whole I could convict with the declaration letter alone makes your argument seem weak as water...silly really.

 

[moodstream]

It's 2/3 of the way down....

Friend - Ciao Rudy, how are you?

Rudy Hermann Guede - nott too well.

Friend - Where are you?

RHG - I'm in Dusseldorf and I have no money.

Friend - Where are you staying?

RHG - I'm living in a barge on the Rhine and sleeping on trains, without paying for a ticket. It's tough, I can't do this any more.

Friend - Would you like me to send some money?

RHG - Well, that would be useful.

Friend - OK, look, I'll send you 50 Euros through Western Union, then you can pick it up.

RHG - Thanks, but it’s already late in the evening.

Friend - They're talking about you here [in Perugia].

RHG - I know what happened in Perugia, but they're making a mistake. I am not “The Baron”, I'm called Byron after Scott Byron, the famous basketball player.

Friend - But they are saying other things.

RHG - Listen, you know I knew those girls, I knew them both, Meredith and Amanda, but nothing more, you know that. I've been to their house twice, the last time a few days before all this business, but I didn't do anything. I have nothing to do with this business. I wasn't there that evening. If they have found my fingerprints it means I must have left them there before.

Friend - But your photo is everywhere.

RHG - I've seen it, the police were wrong to put my photo around like that. I'm not how they describe me. I have nothing to do with that night.

Friend - But if you have nothing to do with it why don't you come back? I'll help you to find a good lawyer who can clear things up.

RHG - I'm afraid. But I don't want to stay in Germany, I'm black and if the police catch me I don't know what they might do to me. I prefer Italian jails.

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R. In the newspaper they’re writing that I was drunk and slept on the toilet. That’s crap. In that house we were smoking joints, we smoked and so did those girls, everyone did. After that I said to the guys, who are men of their word, "Listen, guys, I'm tired, I can't walk now, can I sleep over here?" So I slept on their sofa. I was only ever at their place twice.
After that, after that I met Amanda, but I didn’t talk to her any more, I just saw her one other time, at that pub with Lumamba whatever his name was –
G. Right, Lumumba –
R. – just one other time, and we talked in that pub, but after that I didn’t see her any more, I mean I'd see her in the street, but just to say “hi”.
R. The girl who was killed, I knew her. The evening before, we talked.... well, I got to know her during a rugby match.
G. Wait - the girl you’re talking about, the one you knew, who was that? This Meredith?
R. Yes, Meredith. I’m talking about her now.
G. You knew her? [talking over each other]
R. Yes. I don’t mean that we hung out together. Up to then, we just saw each other a couple of times, mainly that evening where there was the rugby match between England and South Africa, I was together with a couple of friends at this place, now I can’t remember the name…
G. Wait, I don’t get it, you saw her with her? I didn’t get it.
R. I'm telling you how I met her.
G. Oh, okay.
R. I met her in that place...
G. pub?
R. That Irish pub in the center near the Kurdish place, what’s it called?
G. Oh, the Shamrock?
R. The Shamrock. That’s where they were showing the England-South Africa match, and I was there with a couple of friends, and she was there too.
G. Oh yes?
R. She was there too and we were teasing each other, bantering.
G. Uh-huh.
R. So then...
G. So you were actually trying to…
R. No, because I already knew her, it isn't that...
R. Oh, right, right.

R. So on Halloween, I went out with the Spanish girls, these two girls who live upstairs, two Spanish girls who live upstairs from me, and on Halloween I spent some time with them. Then we went over to some friends of theirs, together, friends of these girls, and then we went to the house of some other Spanish kids, and that’s where I really talked with…
G. This was on Halloween?
R. With Meredith.
G. Right.
R. During that party.
G. Where?
R. She was disguised as a vampire. You probably saw the pictures.
G. Yep. In the newspapers.
R. Well, the next day, we had an appointment to see each other again.
G. I see.
R. I don’t know if you get me. The next day…
G. Yes.
R. Umm, she was there. And I was there. So we're seeing each other…

I think it was about eight-thirty, or eight-twenty, they're saying that she told her friends she was tired and wanted to go home. But in fact no, we were supposed to see each other, we had made an appointment the evening before during the Halloween party, at the Spanish kids' house, and I can also say, well I don't know the street but I can say where it was.
G. What street was it?
R. If I were in Perugia I could say where that house is, and anyway those kids can confirm that I was at that party.
G. Okay.
R. And then, we saw each other at Meredith's house and we started talking...we started talking, and I, well, I tried, I mean I tried and she was willing. But in the end we didn't do anything because...she didn't have any condoms and neither did I.
G. Like...in the newspapers it says that...well, you did something if...
R. Yes but in fact, I'm just telling you we did...oral stuff. No, no penetration, because I didn't have a condom, we didn't do anything. And so it's all crap according to me that they said they found my...sperm...male sperm. Then I, that... it's not mine because we didn't do anything.

R. When we got there, I don't know what happened, but she said "damn" - the money's gone!
G. - something about money you were saying?
R. The money is gone, she said, when's Amanda coming back - I have to talk to her. Because they had quarrelled in the evening, because of problems that...Amanda smokes, she smokes...a lot and they quarrelled.
G. So you think that, like, she took her money for...
R. - no, wait, let me get there, after...
G. - sorry -
R. Let me get you to understand better, well, it's been said...well, okay, so something that hasn't come out yet, it hasn't come out that...Amanda hasn't talked about umm...money, Raffaele hasn't talked about the money. So only I know this, that she told me her money was missing, that was hidden in the drawer where she kept her underwear.
G. I see.
R. She told me this. And after that I went to the bathroom. I really had to go take a ****. And I heard the doorbell. For me, that must have been one of the girls who lived with her. So, I was calmly in the bathroom, like that. And at a certain point -
G. - So you thought it was someone from upstairs?
R. Yes, no, I thought that, well clearly someone rang the doorbell, they rang and she went and opened it -
G. Okay
R. so for me it was...it could have been anyone for me, see?
G. Sure, sure.
R. It could have been Amanda, it could have been... anyone.
G. So you were calmly taking a ****, I get it.
R. I was in the bathroom, so for me, well, I didn't worry about it, because anyway in the end we were going to be seeing each other and...

R. I was in the bathroom, in the bathroom maybe five minutes. So, I really had to take this ****, but then I heard a scream, but let me tell you, a really loud scream, so loud that according to me, if anyone was passing by, nearby, they would have heard this scream, because she screamed so loud...and then, then, I got a bit worried and I got out of the bathroom right away, without even putting my pants back on, they were practically falling down, I was wearing just my underwear and my pants were falling around my...
G. But if I understand, I mean like where was this...I mean, what time do you think this happened, I don't know...
R. Around nine, nine twenty or so, because in the meantime we had gotten to talking about all that stuff.
G. I see.
R. I think nine-twenty, nine-thirty, around then, and then, when I heard the scream, let me tell you she screamed so loud that you could hear it even in the street, Giacomo, she screamed really loud. When I came out, it was in semi-darkness, I came out and I saw him -
G. But who?
R. His back was turned, and I said to myself what the hell is going on?
G. Masked? What the hell was this guy like?
R. Well, firstly this person wasn't bigger than me, I mean taller, physically, in height, he wasn't taller than me. His back was turned, and I saw there...Meredith...I saw Meredith who was bleeding already, she had a slash in her throat, and this guy took a knife and I've got wounds on my hands because I grabbed his hand, he tried to stab me and I still have the wounds on my hands, the signs, that are healing now, but I still have them on my hand...

R. ...I was trying to help her, Giacomo, it's not that...my blood, no, I don't know if there is any or not, because I didn't bleed, I didn't actually bleed, my wounds that I had, the guy just wounded me lightly, it didn't bleed, now I can't tell you...
G. OK, but anyway, I mean, the point is that in my opinion you should [missing word] them, maybe if you have to find some...
R. I tried to help her, and if my prints are in the house, it's obviously because I touched everything, Giacomo.
G. Sure, I believe it if you were there, but listen, this guy, you can't manage to say anything about what the hell he was like? That could be important.

R. Yes but that guy, well, it was almost dark, I didn't see his face, but I say he was Italian because he, we...we insulted each other. I insulted him. And he insulted me and he didn't have a foreign accent, and he wasn't any taller than me, I don't know how tall this Stefano or whoever is, but he certainly wasn't taller than me.
G. So was he, like, blond? What the hell was he like, didn't you manage to see anything?
R. I can't tell you, I think...brown-haired, more brown, not blond because, well you can really see when someone is blond...
G. All right, so not exactly blond, hell do I know, say chestnut?
R. Yes, brown, like brown between...between blond and brown.
G. It's called chestnut.
R. But not light.
G. It's called chestnut, but...
R. In the room it was dark, it was intimate, it was dark.
G. I get it.
R. And it was like my pants were falling down, because I hurried out of the bathroom, I hurried out of the bathroom, so I fell on the ground, and then the guy ran away, he escaped, he went out the door, see? And then I got up, and I tried to help, to staunch the wounds, I took a towel in the bathroom, I tried to...to...
G. Staunch the wound?
R. ...to put it into the wound, see, I was trying, and she was clinging to me hard, very hard. So before anything, I know...it's not that I ran away, but I was scared, I don't know why I didn't call the ambulance, it's because...I was alone there right then, alone, and it was a huge mess of blood, and I was scared that they would blame only me.

R. Listen, Meredith's clothes got put in the washing machine. When the police came to the house it was still full, the girl's clothes were soaked, so if that really did happen, Amanda or Raffaele did it. That must have been them, if it really happened.
G. Why would they have done that?
R. Because when I left she was dressed, see?
G. Meredith? The girl who died?
R. But Meredith was dressed.
G. So they killed her dressed?
R. Yes, but it says here that they were washed in the washing machine, but it's not true, she was dressed, she had a pair of jeans on and a white shirt and a woollen thing. She was dressed.
G. All right, and that...
R. It's obvious that they washed them, Giacomo. I went out, and he'll have gone out of the house, and...
G. But what the hell did Amanda go wash the clothes for?
R. How the hell do I know?
G. But if she's not involved, sorry - I'm reasoning like you would, if I were...
R. Yes but then, after, though, from what I've read, someone else came, because when I left, the window wasn't broken, Giacomo, the window of the house, that window out front, it wasn't broken.
G. And you think it's important about the window and the money that wasn't there any more?
R. Sure, it means someone broke it, and I wasn't there.

Thanks! It's really spooky reading this tonight of all nights. Although very twisted, this is an actual eyewitness report of the murder, by the murderer.

 

[moodstream]

Here is a better translation of what Guede is trying to tell us in his letter.

I replaced the letter with his Skype call which I rearranged to clarify the meaning.

The confession of Rudy Guede:

I know what happened in Perugia, but they're making a mistake.

Listen, you know I knew those girls, I knew them both, Meredith and Amanda, but nothing more, you know that.

I met Amanda, but I didn’t talk to her. I just saw her one other time, at that pub with Lumamba whatever his name was –
just one other time, and we talked in that pub, but after that I didn’t see her any more, I mean I'd see her in the street, but just to say “hi”.

I don't know this (Raffaele) Stefano or whoever,

Meredith. I’m talking about her now. I don’t mean that we hung out together. Up to then, we just saw each other mainly that evening where there was the rugby match between England and South Africa, I was together with a couple of friends at this place, that Irish pub in the center near the Kurdish place, the Shamrock,and I was there with a couple of friends, and she was there too.


I went to their house, I think it was about eight-thirty, or eight-twenty. If I were in Perugia I could say where that house is.


I went to the bathroom. I really had to go take a ****. And I heard the door. For me, that must have been one of the girls . It could have been Amanda, it could have been... anyone. So, I was calmly in the bathroom, like that. I was in the bathroom, so for me, well, I didn't worry about it. I was in the bathroom maybe five minutes. So, I really had to take this ****, but then I heard a scream, but let me tell you, a really loud scream, so loud that according to me, if anyone was passing by, nearby, they would have heard this scream, because she screamed so loud ...and then, then, I got a bit worried and I got out of the bathroom right away, without even putting my pants back on, they were practically falling down, I was wearing just my underwear and my pants were falling around my...

Let me get you to understand better, (that the accusation of Knox and that other fellow are false). Well, it's been said...well, okay, so something that hasn't come out yet, it hasn't come out that...Amanda hasn't talked about umm...money, Raffaele hasn't talked about the money. So only I know this, Meredith's money was hidden in the drawer where she kept her underwear.

What time do I think this happened? I don't know... Around nine, nine twenty or so. I think nine-twenty, nine-thirty, around then, and then, when I heard the scream, let me tell you she screamed so loud that you could hear it even in the street, She screamed really loud.

I came out of the bathroom and I saw her. It was in semi-darkness. She had a pair of jeans on and a white shirt and a woollen thing. I said to myself what the hell is going on? Her back was turned, and I saw there...Meredith...I saw Meredith.

So I fell on the ground, and Meredith ran (to her room), see? And then I got up (and ran after her). We insulted each other. I insulted her. And she insulted me. In Meredith's room it was dark, it was intimate, it was dark. Her hair was brown, like brown between...between blond and brown. But not light.


Meredith was bleeding. Her back was turned and she was bleeding already. She had a slash in her throat, and I took a knife and I ...

I still have the wounds on my hands, the signs, that are healing now, but I still have them on my hand...because she grabbed my hand, she tried to stab me. My blood? No, I don't know if there is any or not, because I didn't bleed, I didn't actually bleed, my wounds that I had, she just wounded me lightly, it didn't bleed.

My prints are in the house, obviously, because I touched everything.

And then I got up, and I tried to help, to staunch the wounds, I took a towel in the bathroom, I tried to...to...
to put it into the wound, see, I was trying, and ..

she was clinging to me hard, very hard.

I was scared, I was alone there right then, alone, and it was a huge mess of blood. ...I was scared. I didn't call the ambulance because I knew they would blame only me. I ran away.

 

[Mary_H]

Geoffrey, are you referring to a document written by her interrogators at around two in the morning or one written by Knox a few hours later in which she stated she confusedly does not remember what she (was induced) to imagine?

On behalf of "Goeffrey," let me just say, "You're telling me there was more than one statement? I've been following the case for three years -- how did I miss that?"

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

A further point, a question: what is the date of their e-mail request? And that of Stefanoni's answer?

It wasn't email. It was written correspondence submitted to the court. The date of Conti's request is April 7, 2011 and the date of Stefanoni's response is April 20.

 

[smkovalinksy]

Not exactly. If Hilary met with Maria, it was never publicized. Hilary's spokesperson from the State Dept. said something about looking into the case; I can't remember the quote now, but will see if I can find it. There was never any kind of public statement about the US choosing to stay out of it or leave it to the Italians.

I do distinctly recall this, though. I recall being surprised that Clinton had no interest in Knox's innocence, and after all Cantwell said, was unimpressed. I wish I could find the material, because I really do recall this. I know Clinton stated publicly that she would meet with Senator Cantwell about her concerns.

ETA: Maybe I just surmised it, from pieces like this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...manda-knox-murder-conviction-article-1.432947

In any case, Clinton never expressed any anger at Italy after meeting with Cantwell. Nor did she express belief that Knox had been railroaded.

 

[Bill Williams]

i mean the unsolicted one. I assume it was the latest one that night.

guilty or innocent I think this woman has a few screws loose.

So, your purpose here is to make racist comments and say insulting things about some random woman..... okay, whatever.

 

[RandyN]

If the prosecution has possible exculpatory information, but we are talking about raw data Stefanoni's machine used to produce charts, not about possible exculpatory information. Certainly not deemed of any exculpatory value by Stefanoni or the prosecution.[/QUOTE]


I find that neither Stefanoni or Mignini should be in charge of deciding what is what is not valuable evidence in a case where they represent just the one side. This is a severe conflict of interest and would be illegal in the civilized world. Mignini could make the argument that this information was unnecessary but no judge should rule simply on his word.

It goes in direct opposition of the task placed on the defense now...that is to prove contamination. They can prove contamination with the withheld files but the court refuses to allow the defense to have these files. So the end result is that the court presents an impossible task. One that indicates no intention of providing a fair trial to the defendants. This could not be more clear and I am certain the ECOHR will agree. Also the American judge who will hear the appeal against extradition certainly brought by Knox if she happens to be convicted and a request for extradition is requested by Italy.

So two non Italian judges must be convinced by the case put on so far. I find the odds of them agreeing with this crazy case based on no facts or evidence will put a black mark on Italy that will last for decades...if not centuries. Its called shooting oneself in the foot. That is the best result Italy can hope for from this.

It is not as if this case is even close. Its absurd. The average person will not remain ignorant of the facts forever...especially when Italy keeps it so present in the news. Today's headlines would normally ignore this case, certainly after 6 years...but today the majors are reporting that the DNA report proves that this knife is not the murder weapon. No trace of the victim or Guede was found. And they are also getting to the parts where the knife doesn't match the wounds or the bloody imprints...see they will eventually figure out this scam put on by Italy so far.

 

[Bill Williams]

She's not random. She's a quasi celebrity at this point and she asked us to look at the facts of her case which proves her innocence.

I think there is something "off" with her. She seems to act more like a 13 year old girl than 20 something. Such as her written statement.

I'm kind of surprised people still think she's going be acquitted. Doesn't look good for her in my untested opinion.

Whatever.

 

[RandyN]

I'm not real big into timelines. Mostly because I am lazy.

I try to reduce things down to the essential bones of the case.

I don't think it is legit Guede came in through that window given how high it is and being near the road. My understanding is there is no evidence of him coming through that window inside or outside the house. A black dude is going to knwo better than scale up the side of a house late at night. Seems like that would be pretty hard to do in the dark. Maybe he had a hardhat on with a flashlight on it. lol

Plus it appears that there were more than 1 attacker given lack of defensive wounds on the victim. So that doesn't fit with just Rudy. Then you have to explain the other footprints that were not Rudy's , as well as the blood traces not matched to him. Then the bra clasp didn't have his DNA. Plus there doesn't seem to be any motive for him to break into that house. Is a rapist really going to climb up through a window late at night to rape a woman in her own home. Just seems to risky but maybe rapists don't consider risk. I guess the assumption is he was planning on killing her after the rape because how otherwise was he going to get away with because she could identify him, unless he was wearing a mask. But she would at least know he is black.

OK these are all easily argued non points that you raise. Like you ...especially tonight, I am lazy and wont bother. One question though...how do you suppose Rudy got his money to live on?

No one has come forward to speak at what a great employee he was...no donors have stepped up to testify for him...so with no means of support of any kind how can you deny robbery as a motive for Rudy? Robbery in progress and then interrupted by the return of a lone young girl who probably smells his stink emanating from the bathroom and upon investigation discovers a bare azzed robber attempting to pull up his pants...and runs screaming away from this spook.ee guy. He runs her down and quickly ends her life...the real spooky part is that the evidence clearly indicates that he started the sexual assault after he inflicted the mortal wounds...Ron Hendry has updated his review and published the results in an eBook. Ron presents the best case and most complete analysis of these events...I suppose his decades of professional experience doing this helps him make such valuable use of the facts and evidence available...

 

[acbytesla]

If I was innocent, I'd be at the trial in my Sunday best. That's her life they are talking about and she isn't even there. Crazy.

People on the internet who don't know her making a passionate case for her innocence, and she can't even be bothered to show up for the trial? That seems like a slap in the face.

That would like people showing up to watch Lebron James play and he just decide he doesn't want to play that game. She's the star of this show and she's sitting it out while her fans in the stands still cheering her on.

You are full of crap Geoffrey. There is no way in hell you would subject yourself to the Italian judicial system that wrongfully incarcerated you for four years. You would stay as far away from Italy as possible.

The only way you would go back to Italy is that you missed the pasta at this place.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/05/article-2045451-0E3CBE6E00000578-68_634x415.jpg

Edited by LashL: 

Changed hotlinked image to regular link. Please see Rule 5.

 

[RandyN]

If I was innocent, I'd be at the trial in my Sunday best. That's her life they are talking about and she isn't even there. Crazy.

People on the internet who don't know her making a passionate case for her innocence, and she can't even be bothered to show up for the trial? That seems like a slap in the face.

That would like people showing up to watch Lebron James play and he just decide he doesn't want to play that game. She's the star of this show and she's sitting it out while her fans in the stands still cheering her on.

Thats funny actually....I think the "star" has no desire to be one. Only a damn fool would return to Italy after being unjustly held for 4 years. Italy has more violations against human rights by its courts than any other western country. They are neck and neck with Turkey...or so says the European Court Of Human Rights.

 

[Skind]

If I was innocent, I'd be at the trial in my Sunday best.

And a smart prosecution lawyer would instantly tap into that and try to use it against you.

People on the internet who don't know her making a passionate case for her innocence, and she can't even be bothered to show up for the trial? That seems like a slap in the face.

Think back to everything you've said about her presentation and personality. Now imagine if anything you've imagined about Knox was actually remotely close to the truth.

The last thing such a person would want to do is turn up to court. Her presentation would simply work against her.

 

[acbytesla]

ok, so you think the bloody footprint on the bathmat is Rudy's? I thought that was a perfect match for the weird boyfriend, Romeo or whatever it is.

I don't think you can tell who the footprint belongs to. It could be Rudy's, it could be Raffaele's. While it could be used to exclude an individual. It's a piss poor piece of evidence to match to anyone.

Also, give Rudy's prints head straight to the door, how did Amanda's desk lamp end up in the victim's room on the floor? Did he grab that before he raped the victim or do you think the victim had borrowed it. Wouldn't the victim's prints be on the lamp if she had borrowed it.

Who cares how the lamp got there? Is it relevant? It wasn't to the case in any way. Meredith could have borrowed it. A detective may have brought it in because he didn't want to touch anything in the

It seems like if Rudy was a professional burglar he would have taken what he needed and got out of there rather than use the bathroom. It also seems like he woudl have known these college girls don't have much money and valuables, and targeted a rich person's house.

I'm not sure Rudy was a professional anything. He was a burglar though. His rent was due that very day. Contrary to what you said, College kids have laptops, cameras, cash for rent. They are easy pickings actually. And guess what? Rudy is surrounded by college kids. Perugia is a college town. Of course burglary adds up. But Rudy, was really more of a freak than he was a burglar. Keep in mind this guy pulled a knife on Christian Tremantano, probably set fire to his neighbors house, stole a knife from the nursery.

it seems like a lot of effort to climb up to that high window and pry open the shutters to get into the house with not some kind of realistic expectation there is a gold mine in that house. Plus it doesn't appear anything was stolen.

In my opinion he had to be going to rape her. Burglary doesn't add up here. Or he saw her as she was coming back and she let him to use the bathroom.

A lot of effort to climb that high window?? It would take about 30 seconds. Feel free to see how easy it was for this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL6nIkaYLs

Rudy isn't the first burglar to hang around in their victim's home. How this crime happened is actually very pedestrian and common.

What isn't common is two kids who knew each other for ONE WEEK with ZERO HISTORY of violence between them joining together with another guy that neither knew and forcibly raping and murdering another.

 

[acbytesla]

I'd be back for the trial so I didn't have to go back to that place and eat that pasta.

What if her non-presence at her trial ends up swaying the jury.

In almost two months, there has been less than 2 days of trial. If Amanda was actually there, it would be a circus. But you should keep in mind, that this is actually typical in Italy. Berlusconi, Mignini, and countless others never show up for the appeals trials if they don't have to.

 

[Skind]

ok, so you think the bloody footprint on the bathmat is Rudy's? I thought that was a perfect match for the weird boyfriend, Romeo or whatever it is.

IIRC the defence expert demonstrated that the prosecution expert had been in serious error.

Also, give Rudy's prints head straight to the door, how did Amanda's desk lamp end up in the victim's room on the floor? Did he grab that before he raped the victim or do you think the victim had borrowed it. Wouldn't the victim's prints be on the lamp if she had borrowed it.

How would it have ended up where it was under a murder scenario?

It seems like if Rudy was a professional burglar he would have taken what he needed and got out of there rather than use the bathroom.

There was an extensive discussion about this on JREF some time ago. It turns out that burglars go to the toilet in their victims house suprisingly often, whether due to fear, habit, or dryg withdrawal.

It also seems like he woudl have known these college girls don't have much money and valuables, and targeted a rich person's house.

A rich persons house that would have had proper security, oh and residents he didn't know. You overlook the possibility that the thought of burglary may have occurred only after Guede found the house empty.

Also, students in student-rich towns are targeted precisely because they have a high worth of unsecured (often unmarked) easily saleable items, like jewellery, ipods, phones, bags, ipads, tablets, stashes of prescription meds, illicit drugs, laptops, and cash for rent.

Students aren't 'poor' targets by any means, but they are vulnerable.

it seems like a lot of effort to climb up to that high window and pry open the shutters to get into the house with not some kind of realistic expectation there is a gold mine in that house. Plus it doesn't appear anything was stolen.

There's no need to expect a gold mine, just enough to cover what he needs to pay out for now.

The 'nothing was stolen' part is a: false, and b: irrelevant. If the burglary had been completed, there would have been no murder.

In my opinion he had to be going to rape her. Burglary doesn't add up here.

On the contary, it makes perfect sense, as long as you're not going on a Hollywoodesque understanding of what burglars would and would not do.

 

[davefoc]

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A lot of effort to climb that high window?? It would take about 30 seconds. Feel free to see how easy it was for this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL6nIkaYLs
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And while Goeffrey is at it, he might check out this article about the strong evidence available that the break in was not staged.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry------2.html

 

[davefoc]

If I was innocent, I'd be at the trial in my Sunday best....

And a smart prosecution lawyer would instantly tap into that and try to use it against you.
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At the very least, the Goeffrey's equivalent in the thread about the murder Goeffrey was alleged to have committed would be ridiculing him for his style of dress and claiming that if he was innocent he wouldn't dress like Goeffrey.