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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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LondonJohn said:
Do you think that any of the pro-guilt commentators understand that warm soapy water and mild agitation will wash away DNA with no problem at all?
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I thought they were on that bandwagon with the warm washing machine meme.
 
LondonJohn said:
Do you think that any of the pro-guilt commentators understand that warm soapy water and mild agitation will wash away DNA with no problem at all?
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Do you think they understand the DNA evidence at all? This knife is the most absurd argument imaginable. You really have to be a moron to think this knife was involved.

1. It doesn't match the wounds on Meredith.
2. It doesn't match the bloody stain on the sheet.
3. It's a cooking knife, not a knife that anyone would carry around.
4. It was at Raffale's apartment.
5. In his kitchen drawer.
6.It had starch on it, most likely from bread.
7. No other cooking knife was ever tested.
8. Stefanoni, had 10 negative results from the sample before she miraculously came up with DNA that supposedly came from Meredith.
9. No one can verify Stefanoni's results. NO ONE.
10. It's a kitchen knife!!!

DOH!!!!!
 
Dan O. said:
You think Rudy will speak up in time to add his narative to the real time +6y playback?
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One thing we can be sure of, it's going to be some self-serving nonsense designed to get him out of jail in May, and the only way to do that is to make the magistrates happy.
 
DNA isn't that easy to remove. That's one of the reasons the Meredith DNA isn't reliable. That being the contamination factor in the lab. They don't wash down the machines with soap and water but rather a strong bleach solution or other special solutions

UltraClean® Lab Cleaner efficiently removes nucleases (DNase and RNase) and nucleic acid (DNA and RNA) contamination from pipets, bench tops, glassware and labware by simply wiping and rinsing. UltraClean® Lab Cleaner replaces time-consuming processes such as DEPC treatment and autoclaving and is useful for RNA, DNA, and PCR experiments.​

What is more remarkable is as Tesla described. The ONLY reason that the knife was ever considered the murder weapon was the DNA of Meredith Stefanoni "found" on it.

The PGP can't seem to get that at all.

It has been repeated here a number of times and I have no information to the contrary but is it really true they only tested 3 knives?

It is beyond mind-boggling that they wouldn't have tested many more knives especially the ones that fit the outline and the wounds. Hey, maybe one that had a hilt that could have left the bruise.
 
Grinder said:
DNA isn't that easy to remove. That's one of the reasons the Meredith DNA isn't reliable. That being the contamination factor in the lab. They don't wash down the machines with soap and water but rather a strong bleach solution or other special solutions

UltraClean® Lab Cleaner efficiently removes nucleases (DNase and RNase) and nucleic acid (DNA and RNA) contamination from pipets, bench tops, glassware and labware by simply wiping and rinsing. UltraClean® Lab Cleaner replaces time-consuming processes such as DEPC treatment and autoclaving and is useful for RNA, DNA, and PCR experiments.​

What is more remarkable is as Tesla described. The ONLY reason that the knife was ever considered the murder weapon was the DNA of Meredith Stefanoni "found" on it.

The PGP can't seem to get that at all.

It has been repeated here a number of times and I have no information to the contrary but is it really true they only tested 3 knives?

It is beyond mind-boggling that they wouldn't have tested many more knives especially the ones that fit the outline and the wounds. Hey, maybe one that had a hilt that could have left the bruise.
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The DNA lab report list three knives. Two pocket knives and the cooking knife. That is all.
 
On the issue of the new RIS report, I've only been able to scan it, but a few observations:

1) I think that the sample was amplified in duplicate (at least), and I believe that I saw the RIS remarking that this was necessary in the case of LCN.

2) The sample is actually some kind of a mixture from which RIS has extrapolated Knox's profile. But, there are extra alleles in the mixture. Where did they come from? They're not from anyone else associated with the case.

3) I seem to recall that an LCN mixture of this kind should not be used as evidence against a person, but rather, only for purposes of excluding a suspect and of establishing investigative leads. In other words, a sample of this nature is not reliable enough to send somebody to jail.

3) They ran controls.

4) They chose to use an STR amplification system different than the one used by Stefanoni, because they thought that it was better.

5) They recorded their testing parameters and used the raw data to support their results.
 
Apparently this business of Rudy talking to the media (on the day of Meredith's murder! The gall!) has guilters in a bit of a tizzy, but not for that reason....

Edward McCall has tweeted that 75% of people who believe in Knox's and Sollecito's innocence are racists.

Guilter like McCall seem to be giving Rudy a free pass with this diversion, playing the race card and dealing from the bottom of the deck.

The man is talking with the mdia on the day of Meredith's death for pete's sake. Amanda dressed as a French soccer player on Oct 31, the day before, and Amanda was called callous.... the claim was she'd dressed as a catburglar.

Sheesh.
 
Did the Cops Contaminate the Knife?

Ah yes, I knew I saw something in the RIS report about what might be contaminants in 36i:

The remaining components in multiple allelic loci STRs, not attributable to AMK, suggest a genetic condition of mixture, and may have originated from a limited contribution of a second subject and/or by phenomena of drop-in. These signals are qualitatively and quantitatively unsuitable for the identification of a further individual and do not find homogeneous correspondence with any of the genetic profiles of the other comparison subjects (MSCK, RHG , RS)
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So, where did these other alleles in this mixture come from? Are they all from stochastic effects, or do we have some unknown contributor . . . who, perhaps, wore a badge?
 
Bill Williams said:
Apparently this business of Rudy talking to the media (on the day of Meredith's murder! The gall!) has guilters in a bit of a tizzy, but not for that reason....

Edward McCall has tweeted that 75% of people who believe in Knox's and Sollecito's innocence are racists.

Guilter like McCall seem to be giving Rudy a free pass with this diversion, playing the race card and dealing from the bottom of the deck.

The man is talking with the mdia on the day of Meredith's death for pete's sake. Amanda dressed as a French soccer player on Oct 31, the day before, and Amanda was called callous.... the claim was she'd dressed as a catburglar.

Sheesh.
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This is the type of story a real reporter should be tracking down and reporting on. If AV was a real reporter she might investigate exactly who is behind this "coincidental" interview of Guede on the anniversary of MK murder.

Something like this just doesn't happen without some serious planing. Who decides to do the interview? How are the logistics of the interview and the timing of it arranged? I would suspect not just anyone can march into an Italian jail and do an interview with a murderer...something is fishy...rotten stinking fishy.

I wonder if Mignini will file charges against Guede for this interview? He has been found guilty and if he continues to claim innocence so he must be mocking Mignini and his courts and all courts in Italy. Or is it Mignini who should be charged with doing the mocking?

For me this is simply one more sign that Italy has no clue where logic and good taste begins or ends. Well lets see how the Italians respond to this interview...maybe they will find it revolting. Oh...I made a joke there...
 
Amanda and Raffaele have been watching Amelie for about 45 minutes now. So far the evening has been rather uneventfull. Unless you count the leak under the sink as he cleans up the kitchen to prepair dinner as an event. They pause the movie a couple of times while Raffaele straitened out the plumbing. The kid should leave the physical pipes to the real plumbers and stick to the unix pipes and plumbing TCP stacks that he knows best. Anyhow, he thinks he has the situation straightened and they get back to the movie.
 
Machiavelli said:
Stefanoni? You mean the judges.
They are the ones who declared the defence requests inadmissible.
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Oh, so we're throwing the judges under the bus now. OK, fair enough. The judges are responsible for doing justice, and they issued the orders that denied the defendants' equality of arms and access to information that they needed to defend themselves. So, shame on these half-wit judges.

If fairness to the judges, though, they were defrauded by the prosecution and Stefanoni into believing that there had been something like a full disclosure. That wasn't true, though. In fact, Stefanoni is hiding dozens of egrams, including controls.
 
DNA extraction buffer recipe

LondonJohn said:
Do you think that any of the pro-guilt commentators understand that warm soapy water and mild agitation will wash away DNA with no problem at all?
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Even water itself can lyse cells, and certainly soap or detergent will aid in dissolving the membrane that separates inside from outside the cell. DNA extraction uses water. Therefore how could water fail to remove it? Here is a recipe for a (water-based) DNA extraction buffer:

Recipe
Forensic DNA extraction buffer
EDTA (50 mM, pH 8.0)
NaCl (100 mM)
SDS (sodium dodecyl sulfate) (0.5%)
Tris (10 mM, pH 8.0)

SDS is a detergent. EDTA forms a complex with metal ions. Tris is a substance that keeps the alkalinity/acidity about constant. NaCl is table salt.
 
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Diocletus said:
Oh, so we're throwing the judges under the bus now. OK, fair enough. The judges are responsible for doing justice, and they issued the orders that denied the defendants' equality of arms and access to information that they needed to defend themselves. So, shame on these half-wit judges.

If fairness to the judges, though, they were defrauded by the prosecution and Stefanoni into believing that there had been something like a full disclosure. That wasn't true, though. In fact, Stefanoni is hiding dozens of egrams, including controls.
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With Watergate they eventually found out what was what by following the money.

With Machiavelli you find out what's what by tracking who he throws under a bus.

Andrea and Mignini do no wrong. Nadeau is an approximate reporter aka a liar. John Kercher is mistaken. The judges are responsible for Stefanoni's shortcomings. Knox can choose not to sleep and knows Mafia code. C&V are criminals and Hellmann is paid off by Masons.

And don't mention *****ic r*t*s.

Machiavelli has an answer for everything, except for a comprehensive theory of the crime which he even admits not having, once saying it was not necessary even to try.

But follow the bus throwing-undering. That's the best way to figure him out.
 
Diocletus said:
One thing we can be sure of, it's going to be some self-serving nonsense designed to get him out of jail in May, and the only way to do that is to make the magistrates happy.
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Rudy is up for parole in 2014 or 2015,does anybody think he sent out letters to tv stations seeking to be interviewed,or did he receive a visitor in prison,we have set up an interview for you right on the sixth anniversary of when you murdered Meredith,the interviewer will know the questions to ask, here is what we want you to say,if you don't do this we will bring new charges leading to you getting a further ten years.
 
Is the old guard still pulling Rudy's strings or is there a new sherif in town convincing Rudy to come clean with the whole truth in order to put Mignini & co. squarely under the disco bus.

And speaking of disco busses, why in these last 6 anniversaries has there not been anyone reporting live from the square in front of the university for foreigners to give us the real scene on the streets of Perugia on the night of the dead?
 
When Alessi asked to be heard by Raffaele's lawyer,he gave a taped interview of how Rudy confessed to him, Amanda and Raffaele were innocent and how someone who was with him murdered Meredith,this account of Rudy's confession was backed up by three other inmates
Within a very short time Rudy had a visit from Mignini and Comodi,he denied he ever confessed to Alessi and for the first time he directly accused Amanda and Raffaele,I would like to see Rudy asked a few questions tonight about that meeting of him and Mignini and Comodi,if Rudy had been interviewed by the right people at that time he might have confessed
 
It's 20:22 Perugia time. Rudy Guede is out of his apartment having left shortly After the 19:30 news program started. A figure is captured on camera walking through the car park headed towards the cottage. Though Rudy will admit visiting the cottage about this time, he will insiste that this is not him and that his father brought him a coincidentally similar jacket while he was in prison.
 
Bill Williams said:
Apparently this business of Rudy talking to the media (on the day of Meredith's murder! The gall!) has guilters in a bit of a tizzy, but not for that reason....

Edward McCall has tweeted that 75% of people who believe in Knox's and Sollecito's innocence are racists.

Guilter like McCall seem to be giving Rudy a free pass with this diversion, playing the race card and dealing from the bottom of the deck.

The man is talking with the mdia on the day of Meredith's death for pete's sake. Amanda dressed as a French soccer player on Oct 31, the day before, and Amanda was called callous.... the claim was she'd dressed as a catburglar.

Sheesh.
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I think people should stop calling them guilters -and start calling them 'Pro-Rudy-Posters' or the PRP - they've basically given him a get out of a jail card
 
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