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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Nice shell game. No, the significance of the Vogt scoop is not in the desultory FOIA request but in the three prominent US criminal cases, cited in her article, where Hampikian's work was error-ridden and likely as fraudulent as his peer-unreviewed "experiment" on DNA transfer.

Error #1: "[In] his affidavit to the court Hampikian had misread one of the swab results, referring to the DNA subtyping as “sub 1-” instead of “sub 1+."

Error #2: "The court then wrote: 'Hampikian’s opinion letter referencing his interpretation of DNA tests performed by the state is framed with speculative conditions and conjecture.'"

Error #3: (Conflict of interest; abuse of public funds) "Though Hampikian consulted for some time for free... Gary’s defense team filed a motion asking the court to authorize paying Hampkian $200 an hour for his services."

Vogt unearthed these examples even without information the "open and honest Knox PR campaign" is required, at least ethically, to release. Boise State and Hampikian at least owe their alumni, their auditors, and those of us interested in more than bald-faced and fact-free advocacy.

The curtain has begun to descend.

What ethics rule requires them to release the information? Are you an expert in public records requests now? She asked for privileged emails to Amanda's attorney. What did she expect? Good luck to Andrea on her appeal. She'll lose.
 
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Look on the bright side. This has all the markings of a Hail Mary pass, albeit this time Andrea Vogt is working for the PR team of the prosecution. All that seems to be left is to besmirch reputations of people simply because of the findings they found.

Which is also the Achilles Heel of Andrea's other snit. She calls the Washington State US Senators "biased", again because of what they found when they looked into the case. She's trying to besmirch them because of a position they hold.

I'm not really certain that you want to take on the entire Washington State Delegation. Let's look at the who's who on Amanda Knox's side.

Senator Cantwell
Senator Murray
Former Secretary of State and former First Lady Hillary Clinton

No, I don't think I would go after them.
 
Nice shell game. No, the significance of the Vogt scoop is not in the desultory FOIA request but in the three prominent US criminal cases, cited in her article, where Hampikian's work was error-ridden and likely as fraudulent as his peer-unreviewed "experiment" on DNA transfer.

Error #1: "[In] his affidavit to the court Hampikian had misread one of the swab results, referring to the DNA subtyping as “sub 1-” instead of “sub 1+."

Error #2: "The court then wrote: 'Hampikian’s opinion letter referencing his interpretation of DNA tests performed by the state is framed with speculative conditions and conjecture.'"

Error #3: (Conflict of interest; abuse of public funds) "Though Hampikian consulted for some time for free... Gary’s defense team filed a motion asking the court to authorize paying Hampkian $200 an hour for his services."

Vogt unearthed these examples even without information the "open and honest Knox PR campaign" is required, at least ethically, to release. Boise State and Hampikian at least owe their alumni, their auditors, and those of us interested in more than bald-faced and fact-free advocacy.

The curtain has begun to descend.

That would be good cross-examination material if Hampikian were a testifying witness. But he's not.

Btw. The third example is not a "conflict of interest." Maresca is doing the same thing. Absurd to claim abuse of public funds.
 
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Knox was known to have started her period (thanks Barbie) that very day...did she get dilute blood running down her leg in the shower? Sorry girls.. (...)

Not really. According to Knox and Sollecito, her period begun three days later, on the morning of Nov. 5.
 
Do you understand the difference between the words "preemptively" and "never"?

Sure. Let's use them in a sentence:

"Mignini preemptively denied Knox a lawyer."

"Mignini never denied Knox a lawyer"

See? They're totally different.
 
Stefanoni's claim in court was that she forgot to mention the TMB test when Gino pointed the test out in court. I assume that Gino got this info from the SAL's so I dont understand why Stefanoni could not have refreshed her own memory of this critical detail...in fact it is notable that several key facts about a small number of questionable samples often eluded Stefanonis memory when it was discovered she was giving false information to the court. Darn if she didn't forget her notes about one thing...or simply assumed that everyone understood that she "always" did negative controls and never noted them. Or that she never provided EDF's to anyone on any defense because they had no need for them...etc.

First of all pay some attention to exactt words; because the choice of semantics is very important in legal things: the actual defence submission does not say “in contradiction”.
In fact, it avoids using the term contradiction, apparently on purpose; it says instead “in contrasto”, more vague, that in Italian means “contrarily to”, but just implies a difference, in this case we guess the difference is an omission. While it does not say 'contradiction'. They would have certainly used the term “contradiction” if there was actually some room to say that.

As usually, you are 1) buying blindfolded the defence narrative, and then 2) you are mystifying it, attributing to it a logical value which is not the one it has.
It's not the important thing anyway; it just won’t be the first time your narrative, aka the propaganda and defence narrative, hinges around false claims or twistings of facts.
Let’s recall some, making some examples.
While picking a defence suggestion you (and people here) claimed that Chiriboga 'contradicted' Quintavalle, and that she stated that Knox did not come into the shop. This is what you claimed: that Chiriboga stated that Knox did not enter the shop.
I pointed out that your assertion is wrong; you insisted repeating it, despite you had no proof, convinced about your belief; but I was right. Chriboga simply does not know if anyone entered the shop that morning. You can check Chiriboga’s testimony now in the Meredith Wiki project.

L. Maori: You said that on Nov 2. you begun working at seven thirty. At seven thirty, were there clients, people inside the shop?
A. M. Chiriboga: On that day, I don’t remember. Well, sometimes there are people and sometimes there aren’t. I don’t remember, because since I used to be in the storage area at that hour, my colleague used to be at the cash desk, and Marco [Quintavalle], he was around
L. Maori: So you don’t remember about people
A. M. Chiriboga: No.


Another false claim was that the police “destroyed three hard drives”. About this, I also pointed out that it was an incorrect assertion, actually the police damaged the drive control boards but they did not destroy the drives and their contents, and in fact they had actually recovered the content of two of them.
What I said can be checked in the documentation:
defence computer expert report said:
(..) Following authorisation from the Preliminary Investigative Judge, the three disks have been sent to the Italian head office of the Krollontrak company http://www.krollontrack.com, to proceed with the recovery.
(…)
Following notification from Prof Bernaschi, concerning the arrival of the three disks, after activity at the Krollontrak company, a new meeting had been advised to verify the recovery of the data on the three disks the subject of expert examination.
The two disks belonging to R Sollecito’s computer and Meredith Kercher’s Apple computer, the Fujitsu and the Hitachi, have been recovered, in terms of their contents, following activity at the Krollontrak company, then furnished to Prof Bernaschi, while the attempt at recovering data from the Toshiba disk belonging to Miss Amanda Knox’s computer had not been possible (…)

However you probably go on believing this false claim. You probably believed Sollecito’s when lied in his book about this, suggesting that the police destroyed the hard drive content of his Asus laptop, and thus complained that by doing this they “destroyed the evidence that would exculpate him”: in fact, the drive was recovered, the content was entirely saved, copied, analysed and there was just no evidence of his alibi inside it.

Then there was an allegation that Mignini offered a satanic or ritual murder scenario; while in fact, nothing of this kind can actually fit with his court argument.
There was also the wild claim that the prosecution placed an inflammatory photography in British tabloids, a claim which also was proven unfounded (moreover the Daily Mirror bought the pictures from Barcroft Media), and even the “short and fat” person who allegedly took photos with a little camera was obviously compatible with Profazio and not with Mignini (who has not even a white suit in the videos btw).
You also asserted that Stefanoni was merely a “technician” and not a biologist, that she only had a bachelor’s degree, that she came from a third rate university: in fact, Stefanoni has a five-year degree (cum laude) in molecular biology at the Federico II University of Naples, and after that (something I discovered recently) she was a researcher for eight years at the Federico II University before entering the Rome police laboratory team.

So several claims of yours, and some of the defence, are proved to be factually incorrect.
After your false claims about Chiriboga, the hard drives etc., now there is a claim that Stefanoni lied in the preliminary hearing talking about the Dec. 18. TMB tests on the luminol stains, or about quantization.

I won’t be surprised if these claims turn out to be false when we look at the transcripts. I don’t have these preliminary hearing transcripts yet. But everything suggests you are wrong again.
Meanwhile, I recall that Dr. Potenza was summoned at Stefanoni’s laboratory when the DNA tests on the knife were carried on. If he were there, he would be supposed to know everything about negative controls, the use of fluorimeter and quantization; he never objected negative control were not done, neither he demanded them to be performed, nor video recorded nor verbalized anything; he defence also did not request further documentation about the knife; they also did not request to delay the DNA tests while awaiting to hire expert team, or they did not object to Stefanoni be the one to perform them (they could have asked the preliminary investigative judge to appoint another expert).
But about the Dec. 18. luminol tests and TMB tests and DNA samples test on the corridor stains, the defence expert panels were assembled, they were summoned, they did not object and they were supposed to be present.
On top of this, a defence claim that Stefanoni lied about TMB tests – while such tests were carried on in the open, before the summoned experts and even video recorded - sounds quite obviously illogical. May be soon proven false like the other claims.
 
Nice shell game. No, the significance of the Vogt scoop is not in the desultory FOIA request but in the three prominent US criminal cases, cited in her article, where Hampikian's work was error-ridden and likely as fraudulent as his peer-unreviewed "experiment" on DNA transfer.
Nope. The point of the desultory FOIA request is to push the smear that Hampikian attempted to influence "2) Hellman 3) Zanetti 4) Vecchlotti 5) Conti" without having to produce any actual evidence. Like Vogt's previous diplomatic cables flop, this red herring is prosecution advocacy thinly disguised as journalism.

There's an awful lot of clutching at straws going on among guilt advocates these days. Things must not be lookin' too good.
 
Nice shell game. No, the significance of the Vogt scoop is not in the desultory FOIA request but in the three prominent US criminal cases, cited in her article, where Hampikian's work was error-ridden and likely as fraudulent as his peer-unreviewed "experiment" on DNA transfer.

Error #1: "[In] his affidavit to the court Hampikian had misread one of the swab results, referring to the DNA subtyping as “sub 1-” instead of “sub 1+."

Error #2: "The court then wrote: 'Hampikian’s opinion letter referencing his interpretation of DNA tests performed by the state is framed with speculative conditions and conjecture.'"

Error #3: (Conflict of interest; abuse of public funds) "Though Hampikian consulted for some time for free... Gary’s defense team filed a motion asking the court to authorize paying Hampkian $200 an hour for his services."

Vogt unearthed these examples even without information the "open and honest Knox PR campaign" is required, at least ethically, to release. Boise State and Hampikian at least owe their alumni, their auditors, and those of us interested in more than bald-faced and fact-free advocacy.
The curtain has begun to descend.


Hahahaha! Thanks for stopping by, Stilicho!

You've succinctly demonstrated here that you're either ignorant of the facts or as biased as Vogt.

Firstly, regarding the real "significance of the Vogt scoop" (hehehe), Vogt doesn't seem to agree with you - the entire thrust of her "story" is that Hampikian is somehow hiding something, after her risible FOI requests were refused. The misleading and incorrect addition of Hampikian's alleged "mistakes" is nothing more than an addendum. Perhaps you ought to inform Vogt of the "real" story - you're the expert :D

And second, as I alluded to above, Vogt is way out of line and way out of order with her description of Hampikian's work as "mistakes" - something you've just compounded above with your irrational and biased "assessment" of Hampikian's "errors".

Let's deal with them one by one. In your "Error #1", you and Vogt might have checked the source material more carefully before making your accusations. Here's the relevant court document:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-idd-1_93-cv-00156/pdf/USCOURTS-idd-1_93-cv-00156-1.pdf

Here's the pertinent passage:

Moreover, Dr. Hampikian’s conclusion may be based on a factual error. He refers to the FBI’s subtyping on the biological material on the one swab from which it could obtain a result as “PGMsub 1-” when it was, in fact, “PGMsub 1+.” (Hampikian Affidavit, ¶ 8; FBI Report, pp. 1-2.) While PGMsub 1+ does not match Petitioner’s known blood sample, it does match Susan Michelbacher’s. (FBI Report, p. 1.)


So you see, what actually happened was this: Hampikian's first affidavit contained a typo (1- instead of the correct 1+), but this typo was actually destructive to the defence case! Hampikian was arguing that the test showed that the substance on the swab could not belong to the defendant (= petitioner in this appeal document). And he was correct. The 1+ sample does not match the defendant. His affidavit contained a purely innocent typo - and one which, far from helping the defence case, would actually harm it! Hampikian's underlying case was absolutely correct with respect to this specific sample.

Hampikian corrected this mistake when it was pointed out to him. A little embarrassing, perhaps, and an indictment of the document-checking process from Hampikian and/or the defence lawyers. But not an "error" in the egregious sense of the word, and most certainly not an error which would have been favourable to the defence (as Vogt quite clearly was implying), nor one which could possibly have been deliberate (as Vogt again seems to imply). The fact is that the appeal writ was denied because the court deemed that there was sufficient other evidence to render the conviction safe. This other evidence was outside Hampikian's remit.

Now onto your "Error #2": what you seem not to understand is that defence experts are engaged to give support to the defence. Their job, therefore, is to try to put the evidence in the best possible light for the defendant. Your "argument" that the court didn't accept Hampikian's view (which was not a definitive, unequivocal view anyhow, but rather was the best view that Hampikian felt ethically able to give) is as bad an argument as suggesting that every defence lawyer who ever lost a criminal case is also incompetent and "error-ridden". After all, they are arguing that the defendant should be found not guilty, and yet the court is choosing to reject their argument and convict. You really should know better than to try to frame arguments like this: it's very disappointing, and in no small part embarrassing to see this quality of argument.

Your "Error #3" is so ludicrous and untenable that it's not worth my time telling you why it's wrong.

In summary, your "arguments" are what the kids would term an "epic fail". Tant pis.....
 
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Nope. The point of the desultory FOIA request is to push the smear that Hampikian attempted to influence "2) Hellman 3) Zanetti 4) Vecchlotti 5) Conti" without having to produce any actual evidence. Like Vogt's previous diplomatic cables flop, this red herring is prosecution advocacy thinly disguised as journalism.

There's an awful lot of clutching at straws going on among guilt advocates these days. Things must not be lookin' too good.


Para 1: I agree

Para 2: Not necessarily (though possible). But I do think it's perhaps indicative of the suggestion that Vogt's journalism career is not lookin' too good....
 
By the way, Stilicho, do you still really believe that David Marriott (and the Gogerty Marriott PR supertanker) is behind Knox's personal online blog and website?

*stifles laughter*
 
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Some strange result in the SALs.

Knox's mop tests positive to TMB (circled in red). False positive?

And next, one of the SALs showing several TMB obvious false negatives on the visigle drops of cat blood.
 

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You started your answer with "No." Then you go on to summarize exactly what Mignini said, which was that Satanism can never always be ruled out.

And he then recovered a bit, by saying as you said he said. That crimes should be solved on the evidence.

The only word i do not understand in your response is the word "No." Because he, in fact, said that things like this can never be completely ruled out. (...)

Preemptively; in advance. What Mignini says revolves around the concept of in advance; deciding something before. It is about the approach, not about the subsequent decision about ruling out; it is the concept of prejudice versus judgement.

You forget this essential concept in what Mignini said, the concept of doing something prejudicially, in advance, preemptively, before or without verifying.
Are you friendly towards Mr. Mignini?

Either interpretation - that you cannot pre-emptively rule out Satanism, includes the possibility that a Satanic theory can enter a prosecutor's/investigator's thinking.

Either way here... Mignini is called to the stage at an anti-Satanism conference, with slides cycled behind him on a screen.....

...... SATAN ...
...... AMANDA KNOX ...
...... CUTTHROAT FREE ...

(just in case you claim that this conference is NOT making the connection between Mignini and his Satanic Rite theory of the murder of Meredith.... even in discounting it.)

And Mignini first tries to distance himself from the claim he'd once made this connection himself - without once correcting the impression made by the slides behind him.....

AND THEN says about the topic as a general rule.....!!!!!

Says that Satanism cannot be preempted! as an explanation.
Says that Satanism can never be ruled out! as an explanation.

Me, I think the other men at the podium showed remarkable restraint in not swallowing their tongues.....

Is there anyone left who takes Mr. Mignini seriously? He seriously needs to contract with Gogerty-Marriott for some better PR!
 
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Is the Kastle-Meyer chemical and/or the fingerprint dust likely to give a luminol glow?

Kastle-Meyer is much like TMB and Luminol In that they all react with the oxygen released from hydrogen peroxide by the catalytic reaction with the hemoglobin in blood. If anything, the phenolphthalin may inhibit the Luminol reaction as it absorbs the oxygen instead but after about 30 minutes it's already oxidized from the air which is why the pink in the photos mean nothing.

ETA: one of the common materials used for fingerprint dusting is aluminum powder. While copper and silver are both strong catalysts, aluminum only rates 10%.
 
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Strange SALs 2

Another curios SAL:
the blood drop on Knox's pillowcase tests 'not decidable' to TMB (a false negative? or a false 'non-postive'?)
 

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Some strange result in the SALs.

Knox's mop tests positive to TMB (circled in red). False positive?

And next, one of the SALs showing several TMB obvious false negatives on the visigle drops of cat blood.

You should check the quantification records for those "cat" blood samples.
 
Another curios SAL:
the blood drop on Knox's pillowcase tests 'not decidable' to TMB (a false negative? or a false 'non-postive'?)


Or gross incompetence from the person doing the testing?

There is zero chance that a drop of undiluted blood (whether cat blood or human blood) will fail to give a positive in either a Hemastix or proper TMB test, if the test is conducted properly.

Perhaps you should be considering that as the curious aspect of all this....
 
Or gross incompetence from the person doing the testing?

There is zero chance that a drop of undiluted blood (whether cat blood or human blood) will fail to give a positive in either a Hemastix or proper TMB test, if the test is conducted properly.

Perhaps you should be considering that as the curious aspect of all this....

Yep. Good point. I have a feeling it's a case of human error as well.
 
Some strange result in the SALs.

Knox's mop tests positive to TMB (circled in red). False positive?

And next, one of the SALs showing several TMB obvious false negatives on the visigle drops of cat blood.

Where are the cleaning streaks?
 
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