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Rob Menard's FOTL Claims II

Horatius said:
You reap what you sow, Menard.
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I want you to stop it right now.

Stop using metaphors that imply that Freeman Menard actually did work and now is facing the results of that work. He has never sown anything in his life. Instead he sneaks off to reap tiny amounts of what other people have sown.

A better metaphor is a field mouse who has sneaked into a barn, tasted some grain, and then returned to tell the mice that he knows the magic words to make the farmer deliver the grain to any mouse that wants it. "if I wanted to, I could have the farmer deliver 8 million ounces of grain to me - just like that [sound of little mouse fingers snapping]. I just don't happen to want 8 million ounces of grain right now; but if you give me 5 ounces of grain, I'll tell you exactly what to say to the farmer."
 
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hgus said:
I honestly don't think this nazi lovefest is Menard's cup of tea. But if you are a freeman mainly because of your hatred of the banks who want their money back it all makes sense, in a sick way.

Banks are evil
Banks are controlled by the jews
Jews are evil
The third Reich hated the evil jews
Ergo the third Reich was good
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Their "logic" is even more direct than that. The video asserts that as soon as Hitler removed the Jewish bankers from the central-bank-creates-money-from-thin-air equation Germany the most prosperous and free country in the first half of the 20th century.
 
D'rok said:
In other news, the video interview with squatter Shaundra (who is currently evading an arrest warrant) is no longer private.



Points of interest:
- She was living on Crown Land that her friend purchased using "non-fiat currency, resource-backed currency, real money" and has paperwork to that effect- Neither she nor her co-squatter are FOTL

About that last point...

http://www.spanglefish.com/pmf/index.asp?pageid=207825

He's also all over the WFS forum, as I pointed out up-thread.

Would love to see her paperwork
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Bit more info about the highlighted. Shaundra has released a statement about her actions. Amidst all the self-serving nonsense is this tidbit:



"I believe Paul Fiola owns the land we occupied. I have personally viewed the Purchase Agreement and Bill of Sale as well as the land patent documents. All of these documents appear to be in order and lawful contracts with all appropriate signatures and surveys done. There is no reason for me to believe otherwise.

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I am sure that decision for the courts to decide will be decided in our favour when it comes to light that there are over 500 sections that have been sold by the rightful, hereditary First Nations owners to people, like us, who are peaceful human beings that only want to live on this land and enjoy its beauty."

https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/10201275579590050


So, if this is true, there is a First Nations person or persons that is selling sections of Crown Land in northern Alberta. It is possible that Shaundra and Paul have been taken for a ride. If they exchanged anything of actual value for false ownership of Crown Land, then they are truly suckers. The other possibility is that the "sale" occurred on bogus paper only, and Shaundra and Paul are just as crooked as the seller.

Either way, interesting. I hope the RCMP are investigating the larger picture here and not just looking at Shaundra and Paul.
 
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D'rok said:
So, if this is true, there is a First Nations person or persons that is selling sections of Crown Land in northern Alberta. It is possible that Shauna and Paul have been taken for a ride. If they exchanged anything of actual value for false ownership of Crown Land, then they are truly suckers. The other possibility is that the "sale" occurred on bogus paper only, and Shaundra and Paul are just as crooked as the seller.

Either way, interesting. I hope the RCMP are investigating the larger picture here and not just looking at Shaundra and Paul.
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This sounds familiar. My family bought a cottage in Quebec back in the 70s, and about 15 years later, we got a note from the Quebec government telling us we didn't actually own the land, as someone a generation or two earlier had apparently just stolen it from them, somehow. We always knew the land on the other side of the lake was Crown land, but our side had been bought and sold several times over the years.

So, yes, this sort of thing can happen.
 
D'rok said:
Bit more info about the highlighted. Shauna has released a statement about her actions. Amidst all the self-serving nonsense is this tidbit:



"I believe Paul Fiola owns the land we occupied. I have personally viewed the Purchase Agreement and Bill of Sale as well as the land patent documents. All of these documents appear to be in order and lawful contracts with all appropriate signatures and surveys done. There is no reason for me to believe otherwise.

...

I am sure that decision for the courts to decide will be decided in our favour when it comes to light that there are over 500 sections that have been sold by the rightful, hereditary First Nations owners to people, like us, who are peaceful human beings that only want to live on this land and enjoy its beauty."

https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/10201275579590050


So, if this is true, there is a First Nations person or persons that is selling sections of Crown Land in northern Alberta. It is possible that Shauna and Paul have been taken for a ride. If they exchanged anything of actual value for false ownership of Crown Land, then they are truly suckers. The other possibility is that the "sale" occurred on bogus paper only, and Shaundra and Paul are just as crooked as the seller.

Either way, interesting. I hope the RCMP are investigating the larger picture here and not just looking at Shaundra and Paul.
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Horatius said:
This sounds familiar. My family bought a cottage in Quebec back in the 70s, and about 15 years later, we got a note from the Quebec government telling us we didn't actually own the land, as someone a generation or two earlier had apparently just stolen it from them, somehow. We always knew the land on the other side of the lake was Crown land, but our side had been bought and sold several times over the years.

So, yes, this sort of thing can happen.
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Could adverse possession apply in either of these cases?
 
Mojo said:
Could adverse possession apply in either of these cases?
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Not in Alberta. In Alberta the Limitations Act codifies the common law of adverse possession in terms of time periods. This was summarized in 2012 in 1215565 Alberta Ltd. v. Canadian Wellhead Isolation Corp. The Limitations Act basically says that you cannot seek an order for the return of land after a person has been openly occupying and using it for 10 years. However, the act specifically does not apply to adverse possession of crown land. So the crown can seek orders to kick people off crown land regardless of how long they have possessed it. That is my opinion of the situation in Alberta at least.
 
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JLord said:
Not in Alberta. In Alberta the Limitations Act codifies the common law of adverse possession. This was summarized in 2012 in 1215565 Alberta Ltd. v. Canadian Wellhead Isolation Corp. The Limitations Act basically says that you cannot seek an order for the return of land after a person has been openly occupying and using it for 10 years. However, the act specifically does not apply to adverse possession of crown land. So the crown can seek orders to kick people off crown land regardless of how long they have possessed it. That is my opinion of the situation in Alberta at least.
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Agreed.

As a point of interest, there was a recent attempt by the AB legislature to abolish adverse possession that passed second reading in the previous session. Don't know what the future holds for this bill.
http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=bills_status&selectbill=204&legl=27&session=5
 
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Mojo said:
Could adverse possession apply in either of these cases?
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I'm not sure on what basis they decided it, but we eventually did get title. It was about this time that they also sold off the Crown land we knew about for cottage lots, so they may have decided it wasn't worth a big fight over land they were planning to get rid of anyway.

Of course, this was back when land in the area wasn't quite as valuable as it became a few years later, so they may have dropped the ball on that!
 
LordEd said:
I think you have to be devoid of critical though in order to join. The freeman way just supports that lack of ability.

Simple sheep looking for a message to follow. Director Menard leads the way. Well, up until the cliff anyway. At the edge, he yells encouragement to the sheep to grow wings. Clearly they did something wrong if they hit the ground.
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Am I missing something?

Rob Menard strikes me as a hapless moron, not a conman pulling strings. I am not an avid Freeman-watcher, but Dean "Throws-Cops-Around-Like-Theyre-Nothing" Clifford seems rather more leader-like then Menard.

Why do people speak of Menard as if he's an important leader?
 
D'rok said:
So, if this is true, there is a First Nations person or persons that is selling sections of Crown Land in northern Alberta. It is possible that Shaundra and Paul have been taken for a ride. If they exchanged anything of actual value for false ownership of Crown Land, then they are truly suckers. The other possibility is that the "sale" occurred on bogus paper only, and Shaundra and Paul are just as crooked as the seller.
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This is really odd. There appears to be a connection between the Grande Prairie Squatters and Mr. Chief Justice of the Tacit Supreme Court (aka Pirelli/Antonacci the Calgary "embassy" squatter) and his Sovran Nations Embassies group. They (not Pirelli himself, rather, people who have been duped by Pirelli) both appear to have purchased Crown Land from the same First Nations scammers.

It's really hard to untangle the knots, but over in the thread about Pirellli on Quatloos, poster redbird has this to say:

"I'm new to this forum. I had to join because I personally know of the Tacit Supreme In Law Court here in Canada. I have friends who have been duped into believing not only this fanciful nonsense of the Tacit court but believe in the Embassy as well. They believe that the UN will come to their aid, if need be, because they have been "recognized" as a separate nation in Canada by the UN. They have purchased Crown land from the indians here in Canada and will officially form their nation sometime in the near future."

"I am not familiar with the day-to-day operations of the Tacit In Law Supreme Court, but I do know of a group in Edmonton. They believe they are completely free from ALL Canadian law and it's just a matter of time before they separate themselves "from Canada" and live on the HUGE parcel of Crown land they purchased from the indians. I understand indians sold 300+ sections of Crown land and the sovrans will soon move. It wouldn't suprise me if RCMP tried to move them off this land that they might fight with more than just words. just saying???"

"ok, from what I understand, the indians sold each portion of land for silver coins. I think it was like 15 or more pieces of fine silver and then the indians split the coins among themselves. Personally I don't think they have the authority to sell Crown land, but who am I? the province doesn't know about this alleged sale of crown land yet, we'll see what happens over the next year when the embassy people start moving onto this crown land."

There's lots more in the thread:
http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=9463&start=40

I really don't know what to make of this. Other posts by redbird suggest that the First Nations people sold land for silver which the purchasers (Pirelli?) flipped for cash to other dupes.


ETA: This stable looking fellow seems to be a victim of both Pirelli's group and the First Nations scammers.
https://www.micasaclub.com/member/cinderwulf
 
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Heh. A square mile of land for ten ounces of silver? That's only about two hundred and fifty dollars.
My dad did give me some good advice on occasion: "If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is."
 
$250 per square mile. Canada is 3,511,023 square miles of land, so is worth $877,755,750 at that price. Each person has a birth bond worth 8,000,000 based on the value of the country. Therefore, the population of Canada must be 109 people, or about 5 hockey teams.

True freeman consistency.
 
It's getting sad watching Menard and his minions devoting so much of their lives to quoting gibberish.

This might as well be the BigFoot thread it's so moronic.
 
There are actually more recorded sightings of Bigfoot than "real" FMOTL.
Everytime a FMOTL turns up stealing and being dishonest they all cry, "Nope, thats not a real freeman"
 
ComfySlippers said:
It's getting sad watching Menard and his minions devoting so much of their lives to quoting gibberish.

This might as well be the BigFoot thread it's so moronic.
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I hold out that the existence of a large, unknown to science ape/hominid in North America is more plausible than FMOTL.
 
jargon buster said:
There are actually more recorded sightings of Bigfoot than "real" FMOTL.
Everytime a FMOTL turns up stealing and being dishonest they all cry, "Nope, thats not a real freeman"
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Well, good news then! I have the body of a Real Freeman(tm) in my freezer! Of course I won't show him to anyone until he's been certified by Real Scienticians(tm), but you can buy my DVD for $199.98!
 
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