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Rob Menard's FOTL Claims II

Obviously, we are speculating at this point, but can you own yourself? Can I cut off a finger, claim title to it, and sell it to someone.


Now, this is a complicated one. We have to ask, who created you? Clearly you didn't create yourself, so you can't have direct ownership in that way.

We could say that your mother created you, in that she gestated you for 9 months. So if you can show a document in which your mother signed over ownership of you to you, you'd be okay. I suppose if someone's mother died in childbirth, the kid would own themselves via inheritance.

Of course, that ignores the fact that your mother stole all the atoms she used in making you from God, so I suppose God would be able to repossess those atoms at any time of his own choosing, so selling your finger to a third party without including an acknowledgement of this potential lien on the atoms of the finger might constitute fraud, like selling a house without informing the buyer of an easement on the property.


Can I grab an un-kosher animal and say that God does not own unclean animals, so I claim this animal to be my property?


But God does own even the unclean ones, which is clearly evidenced by his refusing permission for them to be eaten. He would have no legal basis for that prohibition if he didn't have clear title over all animals, clean and unclean.


[I should have seen that coming.]

So could a peace officer arrest me for breaking a rule (or law, or God-given law, or natural law, or something)?


Sure, but then you could arrest him for kidnapping all of God's atoms that make up you, the handcuffs, the jail cell, and any food and water they serve you while you're in custody.


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Would you consider this video, wholeheartedly endorsed by the WFS, to be a slur against Jews?

I doubt that I have the time or the stomach to watch the whole thing but I will try to view part24 which is the only part they wholeheartedly endorse (according to your link)
 
The problem with a lot of you is that you don't realize that FMOTL are bad enough because of the stuff they do. You don't need to lie and exaggerate about them. If you just point to the facts about them they fall apart without making things up. Oh yeah and the juvenile name calling is really a plus.

So far, your diligent "fact-checking" is three-for-three.

Violent Canadian Freemen? Confirmed
Meads cited repeatedly outside Canada? Confirmed
WFS publishing slurs against Jews? Confirmed.

All factual. No lies. Somehow, I don't think ithis will matter to you, and you will still feel compelled to defend FOTLism from us nasty JREFers.
 
Promotion of holocaust denial and anti-semitism in an effort to rehabilitate Hitler can do that.

I dare Monkey Tuesday to watch this whole video, which WFS says "resonates [with] an evil truth that cannot be denied." You may especially enjoy listening to Ernst Zundel's voice. David Duke also makes an appearance.

https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/10151873779784356

I repeat my assertion that a special sort of prejudice held by some freemen is used to de-humanize anybody they want to steal from, or get over on, be it judges, cops, bankers, property owners, restauranteurs, or. . . yes even Jews.

We even see in Menard's latest screeds a hatred for the average Canadian.

The self proclaimed geniuses of the freeman cult (our subject being one) don't seem to realize that their narcissism shows all too clearly when they rationalize their abuse of everyday Canadians who they wrongly see as their inferiors.

I believe Menard, Clifford and their apologists have it exactly backwards.

The average Canadian is vastly superior to these morally adrift freeman gurus.
 
I doubt that I have the time or the stomach to watch the whole thing but I will try to view part24 which is the only part they wholeheartedly endorse (according to your link)
WFS wholeheratedly endorses the whole thing:

The legal side to the discoveries exposed in this documentary are fascinating. For example the Treaty of Versailles 1919 and also the Balfour Declaration 1917 for example. Or later on in 1933 the Transfer Agreement between Germany and the Zionists in Palestine. But most fascinating, even more than the Holohoax is how the Bundesrepublik Deutschland which is what we see as Germany today has been built on a surrender by the 3rd Reich that has no standing in International Law. Oh yeah, to anyone who likes the law and how it's made, what it's based on, and the BLUEPRINT of what we have today will have a field day here.
Highly Recommended!
https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/10151886715549356

I wonder if you would consider the term "Holohoax" to be a slur against Jews?
 
So far, your diligent "fact-checking" is three-for-three.

Violent Canadian Freemen? Confirmed
Meads cited repeatedly outside Canada? Confirmed
WFS publishing slurs against Jews? Confirmed.

All factual. No lies. Somehow, I don't think ithis will matter to you, and you will still feel compelled to defend FOTLism from us nasty JREFers.

So far your lying and exaggerating are the only things confirmed.

FMOTL are not violent "far too often" which is what was said
I only asked for examples of Meads being cited. I never disputed it.
Ladwig said "The World Freeman Facebook page is filled with slurs against Jews" not "WFS publishing slurs against Jews?"

Why must you lie?
 
So far your lying and exaggerating are the only things confirmed.

FMOTL are not violent "far too often" which is what was said
I only asked for examples of Meads being cited. I never disputed it.
Ladwig said "The World Freeman Facebook page is filled with slurs against Jews" not "WFS publishing slurs against Jews?"

Why must you lie?
Ah, so FOTL are violent in just the right amount, eh? And multiple prominent posts promoting holocaust denial, anti-semitism and national socialism are really not worth condemning unless there is no other content, amirite?

Quit the equivocation BS.
 
WFS wholeheratedly endorses the whole thing:

From the link:
It is so sad, and true. When Governments go Bankrupt like they are now, there is only 1 solution the Banks will go. This is episode 24/25 of an epic documentary, but this part I believe resonates an evil truth that cannot be denied.


I wonder if you would consider the term "Holohoax" to be a slur against Jews?

This is the entirety of this post:
This is an interesting view on things. Worth a look.

'Adolf Hitler The Greatest Story Never Told Trailer 2' by @TGSNTtv
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http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv Trailer 2: Watch The Greatest Story Never Told, Adolf Hitler and learn the real story about the most reviled man in histo...
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Christopher Seffelaar, Blue Collar Moto, Dewboy Shubert and 6 others like this.

World Freeman Society The legal side to the discoveries exposed in this documentary are fascinating. For example the Treaty of Versailles 1919 and also the Balfour Declaration 1917 for example. Or later on in 1933 the Transfer Agreement between Germany and the Zionists in P...See More
1 · October 14 at 7:40pm

World Freeman Society The Battle for Germany has been raging for over 100 years, and if you look up 'Peace Treaty between Germany & The Allies, you will find ZILCH. Nadda. Didley Squat as they also say.
There is no Peace between Germany & the Allies. WW2 is still on.
1 · October 10 at 12:26pm

Rebecca Beckweth This is very informative of what really happened after WWI and prior to WWII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c

Benjamin Freedman's 1961 Speech at the Willard Hotel (Complete)
www.youtube.com
Benjamin H. Freedman's excellent speech on how World War One and Two really star...
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1 · October 10 at 10:05am

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Hugh Mun Beane Yes, it is very informative. It goes to show how pervasive and successful propaganda can be. Puts Hitler in a new light and exposes Allied atrocities and coverups.
1 · October 10 at 6:47am


Where did you get your above quote about holohoax from?
 
Ah, so FOTL are violent in just the right amount, eh? And multiple prominent posts promoting holocaust denial, anti-semitism and national socialism are really not worth condemning unless there is no other content, amirite?

Quit the equivocation BS.

Quit the exaggeration BS
 
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For example:

This is the entirety of this post:
This is an interesting view on things. Worth a look.

'Adolf Hitler The Greatest Story Never Told Trailer 2' by @TGSNTtv
www.youtube.com
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv Trailer 2: Watch The Greatest Story Never Told, Adolf Hitler and learn the real story about the most reviled man in histo...
4Like · Comment
Top Comments
Christopher Seffelaar, Blue Collar Moto, Dewboy Shubert and 6 others like this.

World Freeman Society The legal side to the discoveries exposed in this documentary are fascinating. For example the Treaty of Versailles 1919 and also the Balfour Declaration 1917 for example. Or later on in 1933 the Transfer Agreement between Germany and the Zionists in P...See More1 · October 14 at 7:40pm

World Freeman Society The Battle for Germany has been raging for over 100 years, and if you look up 'Peace Treaty between Germany & The Allies, you will find ZILCH. Nadda. Didley Squat as they also say.
There is no Peace between Germany & the Allies. WW2 is still on.
1 · October 10 at 12:26pm

Rebecca Beckweth This is very informative of what really happened after WWI and prior to WWII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c

Benjamin Freedman's 1961 Speech at the Willard Hotel (Complete)
www.youtube.com
Benjamin H. Freedman's excellent speech on how World War One and Two really star...
See More1 · October 10 at 10:05am

World Freeman Society replied · 2 Replies

Hugh Mun Beane Yes, it is very informative. It goes to show how pervasive and successful propaganda can be. Puts Hitler in a new light and exposes Allied atrocities and coverups.
1 · October 10 at 6:47am


Where did you get your above quote about holohoax from?
 
So far your lying and exaggerating are the only things confirmed.

FMOTL are not violent "far too often" which is what was said
I only asked for examples of Meads being cited. I never disputed it.
Ladwig said "The World Freeman Facebook page is filled with slurs against Jews" not "WFS publishing slurs against Jews?"

Why must you lie?

I consider the following to be slurs against the Jews.

-Jewish bankers caused WW I
-Jewish Bankers are responsible for the German hyperinflation between the wars.
-Hitler removed the Jewish bankers from the central-bank-creates-money-from-thin-air equation and that produced the most prosperous country in the first half of the 20th century.
-The Jews controlled the Allied governments and attacked Germany because it had figured out how to become prosperous without a crooked government exploiting its citizens

The underlying principle of Freeman philosophy is that everything that the Canadian, U.S., English, and Australian governments do is design to deceive people so that the people on the top may enslave, imprison, and rob honest, hard-working citizens.

If (1) a single person claims the right to decide who is and who isn't a Freeman, and (2) he runs a message board that espouses the philosophy that virtually every national government in the past 100 is rife with systematic corruption on an unprecedented scale, and (3) some folks show up on his message board and say "Yeah, they are all corrupt - except for the Nazis. Nazi Germany was the only country in the entire 20th century to understand how to combine economics, fiscal policy, and social justice to produce true freedom for the common man," and (4) no one on the board says "dude, you need to STFU - the Nazis didn't have it right," then I have no problem condemning the board.

Perhaps I am painting with too broad of a brush and do not deserve the right to call myself a fair and unbiased skeptic, but hey, I am calling it like I see it.
 
And what's even more bizarre, is that there is a neo-nazi connection to the Grande Prairie squat. It appears that notorious Alberta neo-nazi Bill Noble's ex-girlfriend Shaundra participated in the squat (but wasn't arrested).
http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.ca/2013/10/individual-involved-in-freemen-on-land.html

Posts about the squat here on WFS' facebook, including posts from Bill Noble:
https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/664780603556674
https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/10151878498889356

And a neo-nazi page with an interview with Shaundra that is unfortunately now private:
http://www.kriegbrut.org/solutrea.html
In other news, the video interview with squatter Shaundra (who is currently evading an arrest warrant) is no longer private.



Points of interest:
- She was living on Crown Land that her friend purchased using "non-fiat currency, resource-backed currency, real money" and has paperwork to that effect
- Neither she nor her co-squatter are FOTL

About that last point...

http://www.spanglefish.com/pmf/index.asp?pageid=207825

He's also all over the WFS forum, as I pointed out up-thread.

Would love to see her paperwork
 
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About that last point...

http://www.spanglefish.com/pmf/index.asp?pageid=207825

He's also all over the WFS forum, as I pointed out up-thread.

Would love to see her paperwork


Did you take a look at his fee schedule? Just one of the many items listed:

TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS CDN($10,000.00) PER SECOND for application of Taser™ pain compliance by peace/police officers, against me or anyone around me will be calculated per second by my perception of time at my discretion
:jaw-dropp
 
I propose a compromise.

We all agree that the Freemen are a collection of idiots.
We all agree that some percentage of them are overtly evil criminals.
We all agree that some percentage of them are lazy idiots.
We all agree that some percentage of them have incorporated Freemen ideology into racist ideals, possibly conspiracy theories about Jews.
We all agree that some percentage of them are knowing con artists ripping off other Freemen with ideas they KNOW are made up.
The actual percentages and the overlap of these groups will vary depending upon where one looks.

Confirmation bias can make a person more or less attentive to noticing indications a Freemen is part of one of the groups above.

If we all agree to the points above, we might be able to stop sniping at each other, and resume criticizing Freemen and Sovereign citizens.
 
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I propose a compromise.

We all agree that the Freemen are a collection of idiots.
We all agree that some percentage of them are overtly evil criminals.
We all agree that some percentage of them are lazy idiots.
We all agree that some percentage of them have incorporated Freemen ideology into racist ideals, possibly conspiracy theories about Jews.
We all agree that some percentage of them are knowing con artists ripping off other Freemen with ideas they KNOW are made up.
The actual percentages and the overlap of these groups will vary depending upon where one looks.

Confirmation bias can make a person more or less attentive to noticing indications a Freemen is part of one of the groups above.

If we all agree to the points above, we might be able to stop sniping at each other, and resume criticizing Freemen and Soverign citizens.
Absolutely agree.
 

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