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Rob Menard's FOTL Claims II

Ladewig said:
Disgusting.

[While what I am posting is not new, I do want to repeat some of the previous allegations so that more and more Google searches will show how World Freeman is a racist, kook-filled movement]

The World Freeman Facebook page is filled with slurs against Jews. Why would Freeman Menard allow the World Freeman society to compare Canada 2013 to Hitler's Germany? For C3PO Menard to peddle and endorse such racist revisionist history is deplorable. Peace Officer Menard, please seek help. You don't have to live this way. There are much easier and efficient ways to earn money. Please step up and condemn the violence and the racism found on your World Freeman site. Do the right thing, Freeman Menard. Be honorable, Rob Menard. Condemn the bigots and distance yourself from them. Letting Freemanism get tied up with racists is not the way to go.

[for documentation and citations, see above]

Oh, and Freeman Menard, it would also behoove you to stop telling people to put cardboard license plates on their cars and to drive without government-issued drivers licenses. The Sovereign movement and the Freeman movement are grossly mistaken in their belief that such actions are safe and legal. Please stop encouraging others to break the law by falsely claiming that you, yourself, have broken and continue to break the law with impunity.


In other words, just go get a job, Menard.
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A ctrl f of The World Freeman Facebook page using the word jew returns 0 results. Facts really suck when you all you have are opinions.
 
Did you expand the comments? Not at a computer for an example but the site seems to draw those inclined to racial prejudices.
 
LordEd said:
Did you expand the comments? Not at a computer for an example but the site seems to draw those inclined to racial prejudices.
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Promotion of holocaust denial and anti-semitism in an effort to rehabilitate Hitler can do that.

I dare Monkey Tuesday to watch this whole video, which WFS says "resonates [with] an evil truth that cannot be denied." You may especially enjoy listening to Ernst Zundel's voice. David Duke also makes an appearance.

https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/10151873779784356


Still want to defend the indefensible, Monkey Tuesday?
 
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Chaetognath said:
A news update on the Grande Prairie area squat:


Paul Fiola remains in pre-trial detention. Shaunda Petrova did not appear in court and is now the subject of an arrest warrant.

Chaetognath
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It's no wonder the intellectual runt of the Menard litter has nothing to say about the Alberta trapper cabin occupation.

Squatting on public lands is exactly what Captain Couch posed as lawful and workable when he foisted his freeman valley scheme on freemen gullible enough to believe his stories.

Years later, long after enough 2009 "donations" to cover a few cases of Moose Heads, Bobby lets the bus roll over another set of dupes.
 
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D'rok said:
Promotion of holocaust denial and anti-semitism in an effort to rehabilitate Hitler can do that.

I dare Monkey Tuesday to watch this whole video, which WFS says "resonates [with] an evil truth that cannot be denied." You may especially enjoy listening to Ernst Zundel's voice. David Duke also makes an appearance.

https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/10151873779784356


Still want to defend the indefensible, Monkey Tuesday?
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One of the comments in the cited link says
Gordon Banks: I'd like to see a class action filed against anyone with title to any lands without gods signature ....​
Can anyone help me understand what this means?
If a person homesteaded a patch of land 50 years ago and built a house and other improvements on the land, is G. Banks saying the owner does not have a right to claim title on such land? Is it not his to sell? Can the FOTLers just move into this guy's house because land titles don't exist?

Also, what would happen if I whipped out a title that said "I give this land to Ladewig. signed: God of the Bible, Maker of Heaven and Earth, Supreme Judge of All Mankind"? What avenues of recourse would G. Banks have to question my God-signed title? What if I had some friends witness the document.
 
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So Meynard may lose his Freemen movement to a bunch of ill-disguised nazis. Inevitably, statutes and all the other woes will be the fault of 'da joos'. Will be interesting to see how/if he reacts to this. Just when he thought the publicity couldn't get any worse.
 
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Ladewig said:
One of the comments in the cited link says
Gordon Banks: I'd like to see a class action filed against anyone with title to any lands without gods signature ....​
Can anyone help me understand what this means?
If a person homesteaded a patch of land 50 years ago and built a house and other improvements on the land, is G. Banks saying the owner does not have a right to claim title on such land? Is it not his to sell? Can the FOTLers just move into this guy's house because land titles don't exist?
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I think the notion is that, since God created the world, he was the original owner of it. So, unless you can show an original land deed in which God, as the owner, transferred ownership to a human, who ultimately transferred it to you, your claim on the land is illegitimate. That you (or the original homesteader) took the unimproved land and made it better or more useful for humans would not create any rights under this system.

Now, let's think about that for a moment: If we cannot own land, regardless of how we improve it, because we didn't create the base materials in the first place, then how can we ever own anything?

A woodworker cuts down a tree, saws it into boards, cuts and shapes those boards to make a chair. Does he own that chair? Well of course not, he didn't own the tree to start with! The tree was created by God, and the woodworker cannot show any transfer of ownership of the tree. Thus, any claim he make to ownership of the chair is based on fraud and theft of the tree.

And you can extend this to any material object, no matter how complicated.

Thus, if we can't own land, we can't own anything.


Also, what would happen if I whipped out a title that said "I give this land to Ladewig. signed: God of the Bible, Maker of Heaven and Earth, Supreme Judge of All Mankind"? What avenues of recourse would G. Banks have to question my God-signed title? What if I had some friends witness the document.
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"Hey, no fair, that's not how you play this game! MOOOOOMMMM! He's doing it wrong!!!"
 
Monkey Tuesday said:
A ctrl f of The World Freeman Facebook page using the word jew returns 0 results. Facts really suck when you all you have are opinions.
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You obviously didn't bother to actually read the page; when you search a web page you are only searching the current frame. As D'rok mentioned, you will find the following passage in a frame about halfway down the page:

In western cultures it is told that Austria succumbed to the might of the Reich where in-fact it was a common sense to discard the 'Jewish Bank Gangsters'
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You obviously didn't bother to actually read the page; when you search a web page you are only searching the current frame. As D'rok mentioned, you will find the following passage in a frame about halfway down the page:
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I sense he spends more time contributing to those pages rather than reading them. ;)
 
Ladewig said:
Also, what would happen if I whipped out a title that said "I give this land to Ladewig. signed: God of the Bible, Maker of Heaven and Earth, Supreme Judge of All Mankind"? What avenues of recourse would G. Banks have to question my God-signed title? What if I had some friends witness the document.
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Now, another FoTL principle is that the actions of an Agent are considered to be actions of the Principal, and vice versa. Such assertions are found throughout their writings.

So, if we can find an agent of God on Earth, who has granted land titles in God's name, we can support land claims that derive from that original grant.

So, if you live in America, Good News!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_caetera


Inter caetera ("Among other [works]") was a papal bull issued by Pope Alexander VI on 4 May 1493, which granted to Spain (the Crowns of Castile and Aragon) all lands to the "west and south" of a pole-to-pole line 100 leagues west and south of any of the islands of the Azores or the Cape Verde islands.[1]
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The Pope is the representative of God on Earth, who derives his authority in a direct line from Saint Peter:

Saint Peter (Latin: Petrus, Ancient Greek: Πέτρος Petros; died AD 64 or 67[3]), also known as Simon Peter, was an early Christian leader, one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ according to the New Testament, and the first bishop of Rome. Peter is featured prominently in the New Testament Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles and is venerated as a saint and the first Pope by the Catholic Church,[3] the Eastern Orthodox Church, and Oriental Orthodoxy.[4]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter


The Catholic Church's recognition of Peter as head of its church on Earth (with Christ being its heavenly head) is based on its interpretation of two passages from the Canonical Gospels of the New Testament; as well as Sacred Tradition. The first passage is John 21:15-17 which is: "Feed my lambs, feed my lambs, feed my sheep" (within the Greek it is Ποίμαινε i.e., to feed and rule [as a Shepherd]., v. 16 while Βόσκε i.e., to feed., for v.15 & v. 17)[79]—which is seen by Catholics as Christ promising the spiritual supremacy to Peter. The Catholic Encyclopedia sees in this passage Jesus "charging [Peter] with the superintendency of all his sheep, without exception; and consequently of his whole flock, that is, of his own church".[77] The second passage is Matthew 16:17-20:

I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven".​
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter#Catholic_Church


So there! If the FoTLs believe in God, they have to accept that we own land in America by rights given out by God's agent on Earth.
 
Horatius said:
I think the notion is that, since God created the world, he was the original owner of it. So, unless you can show an original land deed in which God, as the owner, transferred ownership to a human, who ultimately transferred it to you, your claim on the land is illegitimate. That you (or the original homesteader) took the unimproved land and made it better or more useful for humans would not create any rights under this system.

Now, let's think about that for a moment: If we cannot own land, regardless of how we improve it, because we didn't create the base materials in the first place, then how can we ever own anything?

A woodworker cuts down a tree, saws it into boards, cuts and shapes those boards to make a chair. Does he own that chair? Well of course not, he didn't own the tree to start with! The tree was created by God, and the woodworker cannot show any transfer of ownership of the tree. Thus, any claim he make to ownership of the chair is based on fraud and theft of the tree.

And you can extend this to any material object, no matter how complicated.

Thus, if we can't own land, we can't own anything.
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Obviously, we are speculating at this point, but can you own yourself? Can I cut off a finger, claim title to it, and sell it to someone.

Can I grab an un-kosher animal and say that God does not own unclean animals, so I claim this animal to be my property?





"Hey, no fair, that's not how you play this game! MOOOOOMMMM! He's doing it wrong!!!"
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[I should have seen that coming.]

So could a peace officer arrest me for breaking a rule (or law, or God-given law, or natural law, or something)?
 
The problem with a lot of you is that you don't realize that FMOTL are bad enough because of the stuff they do. You don't need to lie and exaggerate about them. If you just point to the facts about them they fall apart without making things up. Oh yeah and the juvenile name calling is really a plus.
 
Monkey Tuesday said:
I stand corrected. I went back over your "extensive documentation" and found 2 minor references to the jews. So I guess it is "filled with slurs against the jews":rolleyes:
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Ahem:

D'rok said:
I dare Monkey Tuesday to watch this whole video, which WFS says "resonates [with] an evil truth that cannot be denied." You may especially enjoy listening to Ernst Zundel's voice. David Duke also makes an appearance.

https://www.facebook.com/WorldFreemanSociety/posts/10151873779784356


Still want to defend the indefensible, Monkey Tuesday?
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Would you consider this video, wholeheartedly endorsed by the WFS, to be a slur against Jews?
 
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