Ed Madeleine McCann Mystery

IamFreeCanIGo said:
It has nothing to do with my interest is, all that matters is the facts. The fact is they were neglectful, even if i think their daughter was abducted by aliens, it does not change that fact.
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How about culpable? This seems to be what you really mean. Should they be charged, in your opinion?
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
Thats kind of like asking, if serial killers don't want to be caught, why do they want people to know they did it.

If Robert Menard is lying why did he spend so long posting on this forum where people continually debunked him.
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A big dodge and an off topic comment in one short post.....
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
Right, so according to you, based on no evidence, the PJ just made them suspects because there was no definite leads and doing so would help the investigaion in someway that you cannot give an example off, even tho they really didn't believe the mccanns did, but even tho the police didn't believe they really did it, the lead investigator released a book saying he believes they did it, but that does not count because you think hes a money grabber?

ahhahahahahahha
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I have accepted that some police officers do believe the McCanns were involved. I have said nothing like "that does not count because ..... hes a money grabber". You have mistaken me for someone else and should pay more attention to who has said what.

I do not think there is any great significance to the McCanns being made suspects for a time. The same is true about others who were made suspects for a time.
 
lionking said:
How about culpable? This seems to be what you really mean. Should they be charged, in your opinion?
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What's wrong with neglectful? Just because you did the same thing doesn't make it not neglectful. I've done similar things and admitted it was neglectful and bad parenting. Is it so important to wrangle the term into something that appeases your own conscience?
 
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Nessie said:
I have accepted that some police officers do believe the McCanns were involved. I have said nothing like "that does not count because ..... hes a money grabber". You have mistaken me for someone else and should pay more attention to who has said what.

I do not think there is any great significance to the McCanns being made suspects for a time. The same is true about others who were made suspects for a time.
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Once Robert Murat fell under suspicion because he lived so close, suddenly the tapas 9 started coming out with statements saying they had seen him hanging around the night maddy went missing. As it turned out he wasn't there at all, only showed up the next day to help as an interpreter. Again dubious actions from the tapas 9.
 
jargon buster said:
That may not be accurate either, people "claim" they looked in every half hour.
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People in this case being the Metropolitan police. And there were encounters with other people while they went back and forth that appear to support this version of events. The alternatives to abduction have been gone over repeatedly over the years and none of the stack up. As I say used to subscribe to the idea the child woke up, some accident occurred and it was covered up. The current time line seems to rule that out. There's just about time for someone to take the child and leave the complex; there's not nearly enough for someone to find her dead, cover up the evidence, and then get back to the Tapas bar as if nothing had happened.
 
jargon buster said:
Rarer than you might think, there is no evidence Maddie was snatched as yet. ;)
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She hardly did this by herself.

If you make the decision to have children and have three close together, whilst they are young you should make them your priority.
In the case of the McCanns they didnt ,they left them in a room while they went drinking.
We didnt have may holidays as children, we had no money, we did have a week at a holiday camp and we didnt get left alone in a chalet while my parents went boozing.
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I did not know that was the only way it is acceptable to take children on holiday. :rolleyes:
 
Garrison said:
People in this case being the Metropolitan police. And there were encounters with other people while they went back and forth that appear to support this version of events. The alternatives to abduction have been gone over repeatedly over the years and none of the stack up. As I say used to subscribe to the idea the child woke up, some accident occurred and it was covered up. The current time line seems to rule that out. There's just about time for someone to take the child and leave the complex; there's not nearly enough for someone to find her dead, cover up the evidence, and then get back to the Tapas bar as if nothing had happened.
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Jerry was the only one to have an encounter with someone and he was the last one to actually see maddy in the room. None of the other checks on maddie had encounters with people.
 
What's wrong with neglectful?
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truethat said:
I think you are missing the point. What part of me saying they were culpable and irresponsible are you missing???
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How are they culpable? This has a far stronger meaning, in law and in general use, and it seems closer to what IamFreeCanIGo is really saying. And what you said.
 
jargon buster said:
Rarer than you might think, there is no evidence Maddie was snatched as yet. ;)

If you make the decision to have children and have three close together, whilst they are young you should make them your priority.
In the case of the McCanns they didnt ,they left them in a room while they went drinking.
We didnt have may holidays as children, we had no money, we did have a week at a holiday camp and we didnt get left alone in a chalet while my parents went boozing.
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Oh that's so touching, you really think that after you went to sleep they never went out? And I thought you were a bit of a cynic. ;)
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
Just reading the summary of Amarals book, it seems they suspected the mccanns may be suspects from within 12 hours. He mentions it was good to go along with a kidnapping tho because it ment more resources.

Another thing i find suspicious is how convenient their timeline is. I personally think they were worried about being accused of neglect but fabricated a timeline of visits, but then they would have to explain why they didn't see maddy.

So you have somone who listens at the shutters and hears nothing, you have Matthew Olfield enter the apartment and see the twins, but not bother to check on poor maddy who has been abducted according to Jane Tanners report at the time.

Remember the window was apparently jimmied open according to the McCanns and Jane tanner had seen the man walking with the child at 9:15, but matthew Oldfield was in the apartment at 12:30 but didnt notice anything wrong with the windows.

No wonder they had to change the timeline.
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The police changed the time line; based on evidence; that thing you seem to have so much trouble with understanding the concept of.
 
Garrison said:
The police changed the time line; based on evidence; that thing you seem to have so much trouble with understanding the concept of.
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Lol. Coming from the guy who flat out refuses to read any of the case files when presented to him. I think i have proven you wrong with sources a few times in the last few pages and you have the gall to say i don't look at evidence.
 
jargon buster said:
Dont judge others by your actions. ;)
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Don't have children and don't approve of what the McCanns did but as I've said when it comes up in conversation those who do don't seem to find their actions at all strange in that respect. And frankly once you were asleep your value as a witness to your parents actions rather ends...;)

On topic I suspect that parents going to down to the Tapas restaurant and leaving their children was hardly an uncommon event, whatever anyone thinks of it in terms of parenting skills.

What the police seems to have established with the new time line is that there was a steady stream of people trotting back and forth between the restaurant and the flats, as well as other people just passing through en route to elsewhere. This seems to preclude any of the more elaborate conspiracy theories about what happened that night.
 
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