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Republican party says, "Screw science!"

TimCallahan

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Perhaps I'm overstating things in the title of this thread. However, the effect of the government shutdown on biomedical research is horrendous, as noted here. Here's and example from the site (bolding added):

Unlike most other government medical researchers, this scientist has been allowed to visit the laboratory to feed rodents used in research by the scientist’s group. Many if not most of the rodents will soon be euthanized.

It’s not a matter of feeding the animals and cleaning their cages. These animals used for research are used in intricate experiments, involving treatments and collection of data performed by hundreds of individual scientists with each project. An animal caretaker can’t continue that.

Given that, you can imagine what has to happen. You cannot maintain colonies for no reason. It’s very expensive — and if they’re useless for research, what are you going to do? And mice and rats breed like crazy. An exponential expansion of the population that will rapidly fill all the cages.

Considering that the section I've put in boldface, I would have to assume that most medical researchers are not being allowed in to feed the rodents, which have, as such, probably died of thirst or starvation by now. So, at the behest of tea-bagger jerk-offs House Republicans, who benefit, as I did when I had my bypass surgery, from medical research, are derailing biomedical research and wasting all the tax-payer dollars that have already been spent on these programs that are now being derailed.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at this, since it goes hand in hand with climate change denial and such grotesque spectacles as the late Dixie Lee Ray, saying, several years ago on KKLA, our local fundamentalist radio station, the cars emit hydrocarbons which, as she characterized it, "are those wonderful-smelling things given off by pine trees." Pinene, a volatile compound given off by pine trees, is indeed a hydrocarbon. So are the plastics polyethylene, polypropylene and polystyrene. Of course, no one is asserting that these are given off in automobile exhaust. So Ray used a technical truth to hide a lie. She also asserted that most of the animals on the Endangered Species List were bugs and snails and the like. This was a flat-out lie. The overwhelming majority of animals on the Endangered Species list - over 80% - are vertebrates. The majority - over 60% - are not only vertebrates, but warm-blooded as well, i.e. mammals and birds.

Given this kind of crap, coupled with support of creationism and antagonism toward evolutionary theory, I suppose cavalier disregard for the impact their little temper tantrum is having on medical research should be no surprise.
 
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Here's more anti-science crap from the GOP, from the site (bolding added):


Paul Broun (R-GA) has suggested that some of modern science is a tool of the devil.

During a speech last month before the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet, the two-term congressman said:

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”
Broun continued on to explain that this dastardly plot is meant to hide the true age of our Earth. “You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth,” he told the crowd. “I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says.”

BTW, this yahoo is on the House Science Committee.
 
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I'm so upset that I didn't hear about this sooner. I am within 15 minutes driving distance:

nj. com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/steve_lonegan_and_sarah_palin_rev_up_conservatives_at_speedway_rally. html

Must have been filled with Tea Party kooks and other delusional far-right wingnut tards. 4,000 of them to be exact.

As for woo...

Lonegan said he was thrilled to have Palin by his side.

"Sarah Palin is a wonderful mother, she was a mayor of her town, a governor, a vice presidential candidate. She is an absolute wonderful model for women voters," Lonegan said in a brief press conference before Palin’s appearance. "She represents New Jersey."

"They are absolutely scared to death of Sarah Palin coming here because they know she is going to mobilize this base," he said.
 
Here's more anti-science crap from the GOP, from the site (bolding added):


Paul Broun (R-GA) has suggested that some of modern science is a tool of the devil.

During a speech last month before the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet, the two-term congressman said:

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”
Broun continued on to explain that this dastardly plot is meant to hide the true age of our Earth. “You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth,” he told the crowd. “I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says.”

BTW, this yahoo is on the House Science Committee.

That was a year or so ago, not last month. In front of a wall of trophy bucks at a Cabela's, I believe. He's an ignorant bastidge.
 
I'm so upset that I didn't hear about this sooner. I am within 15 minutes driving distance:

nj. com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/steve_lonegan_and_sarah_palin_rev_up_conservatives_at_speedway_rally. html

Must have been filled with Tea Party kooks and other delusional far-right wingnut tards. 4,000 of them to be exact.

As for woo...

Lonegan said he was thrilled to have Palin by his side.

"Sarah Palin is a wonderful mother, she was a mayor of her town, a governor, a vice presidential candidate. She is an absolute wonderful model for women voters," Lonegan said in a brief press conference before Palin’s appearance. "She represents New Jersey."

"They are absolutely scared to death of Sarah Palin coming here because they know she is going to mobilize this base," he said.


Try to not copy post to multiple threads. The mods get pissy about things like that. :D
 
Perhaps I'm overstating things in the title of this thread. However, the effect of the government shutdown on biomedical research is horrendous, as noted here. Here's and example from the site (bolding added):

Unlike most other government medical researchers, this scientist has been allowed to visit the laboratory to feed rodents used in research by the scientist’s group. Many if not most of the rodents will soon be euthanized.

It’s not a matter of feeding the animals and cleaning their cages. These animals used for research are used in intricate experiments, involving treatments and collection of data performed by hundreds of individual scientists with each project. An animal caretaker can’t continue that.

Given that, you can imagine what has to happen. You cannot maintain colonies for no reason. It’s very expensive — and if they’re useless for research, what are you going to do? And mice and rats breed like crazy. An exponential expansion of the population that will rapidly fill all the cages.

Considering that the section I've put in boldface, I would have to assume that most medical researchers are not being allowed in to feed the rodents, which have, as such, probably died of thirst or starvation by now. So, at the behest of tea-bagger jerk-offs House Republicans, who benefit, as I did when I had my bypass surgery, from medical research, are derailing biomedical research and wasting all the tax-payer dollars that have already been spent on these programs that are now being derailed.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at this, since it goes hand in hand with climate change denial and such grotesque spectacles as the late Dixie Lee Ray, saying, several years ago on KKLA, our local fundamentalist radio station, the cars emit hydrocarbons which, as she characterized it, "are those wonderful-smelling things given off by pine trees." Pinene, a volatile compound given off by pine trees, is indeed a hydrocarbon. So are the plastics polyethylene, polypropylene and polystyrene. Of course, no one is asserting that these are given off in automobile exhaust. So Ray used a technical truth to hide a lie. She also asserted that most of the animals on the Endangered Species List were bugs and snails and the like. This was a flat-out lie. The overwhelming majority of animals on the Endangered Species list - over 80% - are vertebrates. The majority - over 60% - are not only vertebrates, but warm-blooded as well, i.e. mammals and birds.

Given this kind of crap, coupled with support of creationism and antagonism toward evolutionary theory, I suppose cavalier disregard for the impact their little temper tantrum is having on medical research should be no surprise.

This is one of countless ways America is hurt by halting federal spending, but the thread title is rather misleading: the Republicans in congress did not create the government shutdown to halt medical research.
 
This is one of countless ways America is hurt by halting federal spending, but the thread title is rather misleading: the Republicans in congress did not create the government shutdown to halt medical research.

True, they created it to stop medical care to the undeserving.
 
Ahh got me. Lol my bad. Posted in this thread then figured I'd make my own on it after I thought about it. Sorry mods :blush:

Oddly, I had thought it the other way around... as in you had the new thread and then found it appropriate to this thread as well. I should have checked the timestamps, I wouldn't have mentioned it.

No big deal anyway... I think it takes three or four before it becomes obvious spamming. Some mod may say what the record is, but I'm sure it's a bit more than four. We get some pretty persistent types round these parts. :D
 
Here's more anti-science crap from the GOP, from the site (bolding added):


Paul Broun (R-GA) has suggested that some of modern science is a tool of the devil.

During a speech last month before the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet, the two-term congressman said:

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”
Broun continued on to explain that this dastardly plot is meant to hide the true age of our Earth. “You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth,” he told the crowd. “I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says.”

BTW, this yahoo is on the House Science Committee.

Well for a republican he sounds unusually well versed in science so it makes sense.
 
I'm sure the animals are getting fed and watered (I'm in research) but they are probably not getting drugged, or monitored, and tumors and tissues are not being harvested for ongoing projects. That means that studies will be ruined and months of research and animal live are being wasted needlessly, Not to mention a **** ton of money. These studies are expensive, and time consuming. As a researcher I can tell you we also consider the animals involved and try to limit needless suffering.

My research is federally funded but we have funding in place for a while. Some of the projects I am doing use patient samples. People who know they are almost certainly going to die of their disease have donated their tissue for studies that might help someone in the future. These are precious samples in many ways. The tea party ass clowns in congress are jeopardizing the studies from similar samples at NIH. They are despicable cretians.
 
Oddly, I had thought it the other way around... as in you had the new thread and then found it appropriate to this thread as well. I should have checked the timestamps, I wouldn't have mentioned it.

No big deal anyway... I think it takes three or four before it becomes obvious spamming. Some mod may say what the record is, but I'm sure it's a bit more than four. We get some pretty persistent types round these parts. :D

I think the most I've seen in my three years as a mod was six, and it got the poster suspended IIRC. Don't sweat it if it's at least somewhat relevant to the topic, though; sometimes a post is apropos in more than one place.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
That was a year or so ago, not last month. In front of a wall of trophy bucks at a Cabela's, I believe. He's an ignorant bastidge.

I understand that. My point is that a significant number of Republican lawmakers are antagonistic toward science. While I initially focused on what their stupid shutdown is doing, my point is that their antagonism toward science - whether in the form of climate change denial, general anti-environmentalism, creationism or merely showing cavalier contempt for ongoing biomedical research - is long term and entrenched.
 
This is one of countless ways America is hurt by halting federal spending, but the thread title is rather misleading: the Republicans in congress did not create the government shutdown to halt medical research.

No, they didn't do it deliberately to destroy the research, but they could have allowed special funding to maintain ongoing projects, so that tax money already spent wouldn't be wasted. However, they really don't give a damn. Thus, they show contempt for the American taxpayers, as well as for scientific research and for the entire national administrative infrastructure.

As to the title of the the thread being misleading,while I initially focused on the shutdown's effect on ongoing research, the Republican war on science - actually an extreme conservative war - is sustained and ongoing. It includes cynical support of anti-environmentalism, as exemplified by Dixie Lee Ray's claims that the majority of animals on the Endangered Species List are invertebrates (in her words, "snails and bugs and worms"); climate change denial, which seems to become more strident the more the evidence supports anthropogenic global climate change; support of creationism and attempts to get it taught in public schools; and general, across the board antagonism toward science (all the while these twits enjoy the fruits of technology).
 
In the interest of fairness, I should point out that there's plenty of left-wing support of anti-science woo, usually in the form of new age crap on the health threats of electronics, the evils of vaccination (usually in concert with homeopathic nonsense), etc. I have to shut off our local Pacifica Network station, KPFK, when they're doing fund raisers, because they give free rein to pseudo-science screeds during those periods.

One great difference between the right-wing and left-wind anti-science woo is that those on the left are relatively powerless, while Republican lawmakers actively support crap like creationism, climate science denial, etc.
 
No, they didn't do it deliberately to destroy the research, but they could have allowed special funding to maintain ongoing projects, so that tax money already spent wouldn't be wasted. However, they really don't give a damn. Thus, they show contempt for the American taxpayers, as well as for scientific research and for the entire national administrative infrastructure.

They have no idea. They shut down the government and expected no harm because the government does no good. That is how simpleminded their view of the government is.
 
In the interest of fairness, I should point out that there's plenty of left-wing support of anti-science woo, usually in the form of new age crap on the health threats of electronics, the evils of vaccination (usually in concert with homeopathic nonsense), etc. I have to shut off our local Pacifica Network station, KPFK, when they're doing fund raisers, because they give free rein to pseudo-science screeds during those periods.

One great difference between the right-wing and left-wind anti-science woo is that those on the left are relatively powerless, while Republican lawmakers actively support crap like creationism, climate science denial, etc.


You are conveniently leaving out leftist anti-science woo like anti-nuclear-power and anti-GMO scare tactic BS, which does affect national policy.
 

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