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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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I suppose Ms Vogt's comments are quite encouraging.

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featured/amanda-knox-appeal-2/

If the DNA being tested matches the profile of either the victim Meredith Kercher or the other man already in jail for the murder, Rudy Guede, it is a very ominous sign for the defense. If more of Meredith’s DNA is found on the blade, it further confirms the prosecution’s assertion that the kitchen knife found in Sollecito’s flat was indeed the murder weapon. If Rudy Guede’s DNA is found on the blade, it confirms his story that he was stabbed in the palm by a knife-wielding attacker as he came out of the bathroom to see what all the fracas was about. Guede testified that the attacker said in Italian “Black man found, black man guilty,” before running out the door. He claims he found Meredith dying in her room and tried to save her, but, unable to stop the bleeding, eventually panicked and fled. Since Guede had never visited Sollecito’s flat, the prosecution would like argue that his DNA on the blade meant that either Knox or Sollecito brought the weapon back there after the murder and confrontation with Guede.

If, on the other hand, the DNA results are inconclusive, the forensic evidence could be interpreted as weakened and there is more likelihood of acquittal, partial acquittal or conviction on lesser charges, such as omicidio colposo (manslaughter), options that remain open to the court.
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The lying by the forensic scientists on behalf of Mignini's satanic case ended with Stefanoni,there is nothing on the knife to link it or Amanda or Raffaele to Meredith Kercher's murder,fool me once ,shame on you,fool me twice ,shame on me.The Italian press and the British press were fooled by these cretins Mignini and Stefanoni,the Italian press is too cowed to turn on these framers,I still hold out a smidgen of hope that the British press will take vengeance on those who deceived them
 
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Diocletus said:
So now it's the "Triple-DNA knife"? Or, should it be the "Starchy Triple-DNA Knife"?

I'd like to propose that we test to see whether this knife has more DNA and starch than a Quarter-Pounder with cheese. I think we should donate it to Sally Jenkins. She could feed a whole village in Africa off of the stuff on this knife.
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Oh, wait. I forgot about the Y-DNA on 36i. So, that would make it the "Starchy Quadruple-DNA Knife".

Maybe at this point we should just go with "Lotsa-DNA Cruddy Knife".
 
toto said:
I suppose Ms Vogt's comments are quite encouraging.

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featured/amanda-knox-appeal-2/

If the DNA being tested matches the profile of either the victim Meredith Kercher or the other man already in jail for the murder, Rudy Guede, it is a very ominous sign for the defense. If more of Meredith’s DNA is found on the blade, it further confirms the prosecution’s assertion that the kitchen knife found in Sollecito’s flat was indeed the murder weapon. If Rudy Guede’s DNA is found on the blade, it confirms his story that he was stabbed in the palm by a knife-wielding attacker as he came out of the bathroom to see what all the fracas was about. Guede testified that the attacker said in Italian “Black man found, black man guilty,” before running out the door. He claims he found Meredith dying in her room and tried to save her, but, unable to stop the bleeding, eventually panicked and fled. Since Guede had never visited Sollecito’s flat, the prosecution would like argue that his DNA on the blade meant that either Knox or Sollecito brought the weapon back there after the murder and confrontation with Guede.

If, on the other hand, the DNA results are inconclusive, the forensic evidence could be interpreted as weakened and there is more likelihood of acquittal, partial acquittal or conviction on lesser charges, such as omicidio colposo (manslaughter), options that remain open to the court.
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I am told the results are conclusive. They found a low-copy trace of Amanda's DNA along with food debris.
 
toto said:
I suppose Ms Vogt's comments are quite encouraging.

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featured/amanda-knox-appeal-2/

If the DNA being tested matches the profile of either the victim Meredith Kercher or the other man already in jail for the murder, Rudy Guede, it is a very ominous sign for the defense. If more of Meredith’s DNA is found on the blade, it further confirms the prosecution’s assertion that the kitchen knife found in Sollecito’s flat was indeed the murder weapon. If Rudy Guede’s DNA is found on the blade, it confirms his story that he was stabbed in the palm by a knife-wielding attacker as he came out of the bathroom to see what all the fracas was about. Guede testified that the attacker said in Italian “Black man found, black man guilty,” before running out the door. He claims he found Meredith dying in her room and tried to save her, but, unable to stop the bleeding, eventually panicked and fled. Since Guede had never visited Sollecito’s flat, the prosecution would like argue that his DNA on the blade meant that either Knox or Sollecito brought the weapon back there after the murder and confrontation with Guede.

If, on the other hand, the DNA results are inconclusive, the forensic evidence could be interpreted as weakened and there is more likelihood of acquittal, partial acquittal or conviction on lesser charges, such as omicidio colposo (manslaughter), options that remain open to the court.
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Yes, from her perspective these conclusive results are pointing toward an aquittal or at least far lesser charges.
 
Any truth in the rumour that Mignini Stefanoni Machiavelli and Andrea Vogt are seeking asylum in Syria
 
Assuming these results are confirmed, I think Nencini either gives serious reconsideration to the punted defense requests or he puts the prosecution out of its misery (and the former looks unlikely given the cancelled court dates). I don't see justification for a conviction when the only substantive item being looked at results in a point for the defense. It's now a matter of finding the magic words that appease a very annoyed high court.
 
charlatan said:
Assuming these results are confirmed, I think Nencini either gives serious reconsideration to the punted defense requests or he puts the prosecution out of its misery (and the former looks unlikely given the cancelled court dates). I don't see justification for a conviction when the only substantive item being looked at results in a point for the defense. It's now a matter of finding the magic words that appease a very annoyed high court.
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I know the four magic words for the High court need to hear

NOT GUILTY **** YE
 
I think Mignini will write a letter to another Italian newspaper denying he ever claimed the knife played a part in Meredith's murder
 
charlatan said:
Assuming these results are confirmed, I think Nencini either gives serious reconsideration to the punted defense requests or he puts the prosecution out of its misery (and the former looks unlikely given the cancelled court dates). I don't see justification for a conviction when the only substantive item being looked at results in a point for the defense. It's now a matter of finding the magic words that appease a very annoyed high court.
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billyryan said:
I know the four magic words for the High court need to hear

NOT GUILTY **** YE
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It's too soon to render a verdict, but it does raise a question - why did the ISC annul the acquittals in March 2013?

I, too, wonder if Mignini will now be writing a letter to the editor denying he'd ever entered that knife into evidence. The REAL problem with the knife is not the DNA anyway - of which there is now NOTHING forensically interesting - the issue is that this knife, collected at random from Raffaele's, is inextricably linked to motive.

Who takes a knife to a sex-game? Sure, the sex game may "go wrong", but Massei has already ruled on a motive - the motive was Rudy's and Rudy's alone, into which allegedly (acc. to Massei) Amanda and Raffaele got swept up in, in a brief "choice for evil".

So why is the knife even at the cottage as a potential weapon to begin with? There is no premeditation, none, nada, niente, nil, zero, zip, zilch. None.

So one has to invent, as did Massei, out of whole cloth some reason for Amanda and/or Raffaele to be carrying that knife innocently.

But who the heck am I? There's now nothing linking that knife to anything forensically interesting. Nencini seems to, at least at this point, be sticking close to the C&V report, but I guess that is to be seen, too.

But if there is no sign of the first victim here, Meredith, on that knife - the Kerchers are now closer to being able to understand the nature of the crime against their loved one.

Neither Knox nor Sollecito had anything to do with it. And the PLE have been clinging to that knife for what reason? To honour Meredith or to try to save their hides?

The PLE has done neither.

I really do wonder if Machiavelli will simply be silent from this point onwards.
 
But if Machiavelli will be silent from this point onwards, how will I be able to invite him to dinner once he's ready to accept. (And, BTW, Machiavelli brings the wine.)
 
Katody Matrass said:
Did they open the knife?
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Apparently they did not.

Here's a link to la Repubblica:

http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2013/10/11/news/omicidio_meredith_su_coltello_indizi_del_dna_di_amanda-68410733/

This piece makes specific reference to the issue with Amanda's (new) DNA on the knife as low copy number, being the same reason why the knife was rejected as containing Meredith's DNA.

It's hard to see how the prosecution can continue much past Nov 6th, if this is what it is.
 
I don't see that a failure confirm Kercher's DNA is categorically exculpatory.

Why couldn't the first finding be correct and the second finding be correct. There was Kercher DNA on the knife where Stefanoni detected it in a small quantity and there wasn't DNA on the knife where the samples used in the recent test was done.

Of course, the failure to be able to duplicate Stefanoni's results is a strong point for the defense especially given the questionable nature of the collection and testing of the knife. But there is already a very strong case that the defendants are innocent and that hasn't done anything to halt a prosecution spanning many years. Is the case for the defense that much stronger with the reported result (albeit reported so far in a questionable way).
 
It's still a little bit confusing, though. People are suggesting that the trace of Amanda wasn't 36I and that is yet to be tested. Another version says that this one test that came with Amanda's DNA is only the first step in testing the knife; others are saying that we should wait for official confirmation what was tested and what was found and when the testing definitely ends.
 
snook1 said:
It's still a little bit confusing, though. People are suggesting that the trace of Amanda wasn't 36I and that is yet to be tested. Another version says that this one test that came with Amanda's DNA is only the first step in testing the knife; others are saying that we should wait for official confirmation what was tested and what was found and when the testing definitely ends.
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I don't think so snook1 sample 36i was tested it proved to be human DNA,it was low copy Amanda knox DNA
 
in the context of the Florence trial

davefoc said:
I don't see that a failure confirm Kercher's DNA is categorically exculpatory.
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In and of itself, probably not. However, the Florence court refused most of the defense requests. If there is no additional inculpatory DNA evidence and they still convict, that looks pretty odd. MOO.
 
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