On 9/11, WTC7 Collapse Was Firemen's Concern (controlled demolition debunked)

[Justin39640]

I think the very first step is to report it and not suppress it or marginalize it or downplay it or deny it.
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So the first step is to get the motive fair coverage:

Again, you'd have to be a drooling retard not to realize this was one of the main motivations. SO... we abandon Israel? Let them get wiped off the map?

 

[Robrob]

No, you are wrong. And what exactly do you think you are "rejecting"? You are rejecting the testimony of Philip Zelikow, the 9/11 Commission Exec. Dir. ? Is that what you are rejecting? Because that is who I am citing. And it is vulgar to ignorantly throw around false accusations against people. Why don't you do some research instead of accusing people of having "a bad case of the ass with the Jews." You think a nation should be automatically immune from criticism if a particular ethnicity or religion runs it? You think you can deflect all criticism of Israel by accusing people who cite facts as 'anti-Semitics?'

Saudi Islamic fundamentalists murder 3,000 Americans and you feel the need to focus on what Israel did or didn't do in the past?

So the first step is to get the motive fair coverage:

Exactly, we need to discuss how the victim wore revealing clothing and had a history of different boyfriends.

 

[RepresentativePress]

Again, you'd have to be a drooling retard not to realize this was one of the main motivations.

Then why don't you email Leo Braudy ( [email protected] ) and tell him that? Look how disrespectful and dismissive he is to someone stating that fact:
http://youtu.be/D7EB1FxENxQ

So you justify the pattern of suppression because "everyone knows"?! First of all, not everyone knows. Second, if it is almost never reported, how are people supposed to learn it? You are being disingenuous.

Also, I am not a fool, I don't believe that everyone who accuses me of being a "truther" has simply made an honest mistake. Many times that false accusation against me is used against me in order to undermine my efforts and sabotage efforts to get the motive known by more people. Same game played at the Daily Kos where they have a rule against truther conspiracy garbage so users there dishonestly accused me of being a truther in order to get me banned so I couldn't get the word out any longer about the main motive on that website: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/19/1180296/-Traitorous-9-11-Commissioners-Served-Israel-Agenda

 

[RepresentativePress]

Saudi Islamic fundamentalists murder 3,000 Americans and you feel the need to focus on what Israel did or didn't do in the past?

Exactly, we need to discuss how the victim wore revealing clothing and had a history of different boyfriends.

Nat Turner and his fellow terrorists chopped the heads off of 10 white school children, so therefore we can never talk about or criticize the policy of slavery?

 

[RepresentativePress]

Saudi Islamic fundamentalists murder 3,000 Americans and you feel the need to focus on what Israel did or didn't do in the past?
Exactly, we need to discuss how the victim wore revealing clothing and had a history of different boyfriends.

First of all, those outraged at the policy of supporting Israel's crimes are not limited to Saudis, nor limited to Islamists, nor limited to fundamentalists.
For example, Sirhan Sirhan is an Arab Christian.

Second, you really need to do some research or perhaps you don't give a damn what crimes are perpetrated if the perpetrators are Jewish? Do you have it in your head that Israel can do no wrong because they call it a "Jewish State?!"

"a religious Jew organizing among the largely anti-Zionist native Jewish inhabitants of Palestine" was assassinated by two Haganah agents "as he left the small synagogue in the 'Shaarey Tsedek' hospital." (Hagana was a Jewish terrorist group) Chomsky points out "the official history of the Haganah describes this "special activity" matter-of-factly, justifying the order "to remove the traitor from the land of the living" on the grounds of his "pathological character""

Menachem Begin (who was a Prime Minister of Israel) and Yitzhak Shamir (who was Foreign Minister of Israel) "are former terrorist commanders, with a bloody record of atrocities to their credit including the killing of Jews* as well as Britons and many Arabs

*"the Hagana archives archives contain the names of 40 Jews who were killed by Irgun and LEHI(Stern Group) [these are Jewish Zionist groups] men in the cource of their underground work or in the context of settling internal accounts" This does not include Jews killed by terrorist attacks aimed at others." In Haifa, Haganah had a torture chamber for the interrogation of Jews. - footnote pp164-165 Fateful Triangle
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/01/hostility-and-cruelty-as-early-as-1891.html

I assume that you don't think that the KKK was a good organization even though it was run by whites. Ever consider that the actions of ALL organizations and ALL nations should be judged by the actions themselves and not be given a free pass just because the actors happen to belong to a particular group?

 

[dafydd]

Nat Turner and his fellow terrorists chopped the heads off of 10 white school children, so therefore we can never talk about or criticize the policy of slavery?

Now that's really up to the minute.

 

[RepresentativePress]

Now that's really up to the minute.

Instead of a smart ass response, how about trying to answer the question? Also, I didn't see an apology from you for making false accusations against me, or should I say insinuations? Either way, you got it wrong. And now you post a comment that is just playing games.

 

[dafydd]

Instead of a smart ass response, how about trying to answer the question? Also, I didn't see an apology from you for making false accusations against me, or should I say insinuations? Either way, you got it wrong. And now you post a comment that is just playing games.

What has slavery to do with 911?

 

[BStrong]

OK - fair enough - U.S support for Israel is motive for jihadists to go to war.

Now what?

 

[tsig]

OK - fair enough - U.S support for Israel is motive for jihadists to go to war.

Now what?

It's plain the Jews should just quit existing to remove all motive for jihad.

 

[RepresentativePress]

What has slavery to do with 911?

It was a terrorism analogy. Since Robrob mocked the idea of looking at the motive and tried to act like it was insensitive to even examine what could have motivated the attack. He wants to act like it is wrong to even discuss the motive and he exploited the victims's deaths as a tactic to derail discussing the motives, acting like doing so is insensitive to the victims or blaming the victims of the attack!

So as an analogy, I pointed out: Nat Turner and his fellow terrorists chopped the heads off of 10 white school children, so therefore we can never talk about or criticize the policy of slavery? Meaning are you guys going to try to act like it is disrespectful or uncaring or indifferent or blaming the decapitated white school children to look at what motivated Nat Turner and his fellow terrorists? We can learn about motives and injustices and how injustices could motivate other injustices if we are willing to learn history. I think it's clear that many people don't want those lessons learned, so when the wrongs of slaver can no longer be excused, Nat Turner's attack gets whitewashed. Meaning that the horrible details of the decapitation of the little kids gets swept under the rug so that they myth of noble resistance to injustice can be maintained. I wan't taught about the decapitations in school, the way it is taught is the motive is the very description of it, "slave rebellion," and the picture painted is as if the targets were exclusively cruel slave owners. This allows people to act indignant about attacks today, to act like it is "wrong" to discuss what motivates terrorism today.

Quite frankly I think you are being dishonest, I didn't see you ask what does "revealing clothing" and "a history of different boyfriends" have to do with 9/11 so you didn't have a problem with Robrob's analogy.

 

[dafydd]

It was a terrorism analogy. Since Robrob mocked the idea of looking at the motive and tried to act like it was insensitive to even examine what could have motivated the attack.

Bin Laden explained that in his videos.

 

[RepresentativePress]

Bin Laden explained that in his videos.

You're telling me you didn't see a dramatic pattern of suppression of the main motive? Even with those bin Laden videos, I saw countless times how the media played edited versions of them.

Note what the reporter says in the last paragraph: The reporter's stunning reply: 'While I agree with you, if I say anything about US geopolitical interests with Israel, I might as well clean off my desk. ' Of course, the interview was never aired."- David Hirst, The Gun and the Olive Branch: The Roots of Violence in the Middle East, Nation Books; 2nd edition 2003 p57

Don't act like there aren't people with an agenda.
"Uzi Safanov, a writer at the Seawanhaka newspaper of Long Island University in New York, agreed. I'm a Jew before being a journalist, before someone pays me to write," he said. "If I find a negative thing about Israel, I will not print it and I will sink into why did it happen and what can I do to change it." Safanov said that even if he eventually wrote about negative incidents that happen in Israel, he would try to find the way "to shift the blame."" - Jewish journalists grapple with ‘doing the write thing’ http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/16824/jewish-journalists-grapple-with-doing-the-write-thing/

And if Israel's actions and US support for Israel is so just and so moral, why was there an enormous campaign to suppress or deny the main motive for 9/11? See how Hamilton and others suppressed the main motive: http://youtu.be/bzYM9ZnWsnk

Pay attention to how many mentions of Israel got omitted between the staff statements to the final 9/11 Report: http://youtu.be/UHFhACaej4Q?t=2m2s (that jumps about 2 minutes into the video called "Gage's Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Fraud. WTC7 "small fires" lie EXPOSED!" again, clearly another debunking video. You should ask yourself how honest these defenders of Israel are if they resort to calling be a "truther!")
You can see where Israel will be specifically mentioned in the staff statements yet by the time those paragraphs reached the 9/11 Report, MANY of that was OMITTED. In the video I show side by side the staff statements and then the corresponding parts of the 9/11 Report.

Also see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY2yninva0E

 

[LashL]

Okay, folks, get back to the topic of the thread, please. Otherwise, a whole lot of posts are going to end up in AAH with a generous shower of yellow cards raining down upon them. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[Redwood]

At Least Since the Parker Building Fire

Structural failure due to fire in steel-framed buildings has been a concern amongst firefighters at least as far back as the Parker Building fire of 1908.

BTW, there were reports of "melted steel" for that, too.....