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Jetblast said:
Anyone can see you're making efforts to avoid the point.


You have no problem with open FBI criminality like lying about tests and illegally dumping evidence.


Your entries have zero credibility and aren't to be taken seriously. They are bascially a good reverse concession of the debate. Thanks.


When you can reduce the other side to trolling you've pretty much won.
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And so I have.
 
The contest was to find the dumbest web site about 800

Jetblast said:
...http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/BASS/bassett.html

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Checkmate.
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Checkmate? Yes, you win, you found the dumbest web site, with idiotic claims based on fantasy. Can you do better, find a dumber web site? I know you can do it without any effort.

The web site has idiotic claims for many events -
The Ron Brown Plane Crash.
The Shoot Down of TWA Flight 800.
John F. Kennedy Jr.
Each one becomes an insane fantasy.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/crash.html
Can't pack much more stupid in to one web site. How do you find so much stupid? Do you have a special Google filter to find the most idiotic lies? Where did you get it?
 
that site is insane it links to impeach Clinton still.......not exactly up with the times...
 
The more I look into this, the more evidence I find against cover up. In fact, I tend to find that the FBI was leaning toward the bomb/missile conclusion for a long time and had to be beaten over the head with evidence before concluding it was an accident.

First, there is William Tobin, whom I already mentioned. To add to what I posted earlier, he claimed that others thought it was a bomb, and he was trying to convince them it was not:

"I then thought the last tool in my arsenal at that point was to indicate--to basically put the emperor without clothes, that if he [Kallstrom] was going to proceed to make an announcement that there was a bomb, that he would not be supported from the material science standpoint."

If his recollection is even remotely accurate, Kallstrom's behavior shows he was not trying to cover up bombs or missiles; he was trying to prove them. Not consistent with cover up.

Next, regarding the FBI's approach in general, the NTSB report claims that the FBI encouraged witnesses to talk about missiles:
NTSB said:
The Safety Board is aware that FBI agents generally did not record all of the information provided by witnesses but, rather, focused on information that might have been relevant to the possibility that a missile was used against TWA flight 800. This focus is evident in some of the suggested interview questions provided by the FBI to its agents, which include assumptions about a missile attack.563 Research has shown that how interview questions are phrased can have a considerable effect on the information elicited during an interview. Research has also shown that other types of word choices can affect the answers to questions.

Footnote 563: For example, some of the suggested interview questions included the following: "How long did the missile fly?"; "What does the terrain around the launch site look like?"; and "Where was the sun in relation to the aircraft and the missile launch point?". For more information about other possible sources of interviewer or interviewee bias, see section 1.18.4.2.
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(See also p. 234.)

This is not consistent with trying to sweep missile evidence under the rug; it is consistent with trying to find as much missile evidence as possible. Not consistent with cover up of missiles.

Finally, there is a History Channel documentary about TWA 800 that includes interviews with Kallstrom and Dr. Bernard S. Loeb Director - Office of Aviation Safety for the NTSB. In the interviews, Kallstrom several times emphasizes that he originally thought it was a missile based on the eyewitness reports, and he continued to pursue that line for a long time. Loeb emphasizes that the NTSB concluded fairly quickly that it was an accident and not a missile, but Kallstrom wanted more evidence. Kallstrom wanted to go back and trawl the ocean for more plane parts, and he wanted to reconstruct the plane to make sure they were not missing missile entry points. Kallstrom and Loeb apparently were in bitter disagreement about whether this was necessary, but Kallstrom won and they spent months more gathering and reconstructing the plane. See the documentary here (they give a lot of time to the conspiracy side):


This would be way beyond insane if this was a cover up. Going to the president to get permission to dig up and assemble the evidence you are trying to bury is completely inconsistent with a cover up.

I just don't see how it is possible that there was a concerted effort to cover up missiles.
 
no missiles just an horrendous mechanical failure.

No one has presented a case as to why on earth the US Govt wanted to blow up this plance
 
Dcdrac said:
no missiles just an horrendous mechanical failure.

No one has presented a case as to why on earth the US Govt wanted to blow up this plance
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Truthers tend to skip that bit. They avoid the subject of the passengers too.
 
dafydd said:
Truthers tend to skip that bit. They avoid the subject of the passengers too.
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The more unhinged Truthers say someone was on the airplane who had to be silenced so they blew it out of the sky. Because a simple "assassination made to look like an home invasion gone wrong" or an even simpler car "accident" wouldn't work because... er... they had all these spare missiles laying around just going to waste so let's kill an additional 229 people just to get that one, never mind that it was so important to kill this person they had to take out 229 other people but not so important they left him alone for the whole day, let him drive to the airport, wait in line for an hour, leisurely board the airplane, etc.
 
No, that's only the very unhinged Truthers. The so-far-around-the-bend-I'm-coming-at-it-from-the-other-side Truthers say there were no victims. Oh, and why? Because evil (or Joos, which for a subset of these is the same thing). :mad:
 
Jetblast said:
Coroner Charles Wetli has been named numerous times in this thread.
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And nothing he ever said matches your claims of incendiary pellet shrapnel.

My information checks out. I haven't seen anyone disprove anything I said.
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You must not be looking because I've seen you get disproved about five times a page for the past 55 pages.

So how long do you plan on avoiding Beachnut's 23 very reasonable questions?
 
Robrob said:
And nothing he ever said matches your claims of incendiary pellet shrapnel.
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Except for the numerous pellets he removed from the victims that tested positive as US missile warhead incendiary pellets.


This is silly. You are just taking advantage of semantics, coercion, and criminal cover-up.


I won this debate long ago, as answers like yours prove.
 
BenjaminTR said:
This would be way beyond insane if this was a cover up. Going to the president to get permission to dig up and assemble the evidence you are trying to bury is completely inconsistent with a cover up.

I just don't see how it is possible that there was a concerted effort to cover up missiles.
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The fact BenjaminTR ignores all the evidence and airs the propaganda of the violators as his sole entry proves the cover-up.


Just watch the new documentary. The fact BenjaminTR is forced to ignore all its evidence is proof that it is evidence. Thanks.


It's silly. BenjaminTR is trying ignore the CIA Zoom Climb claim and other outrageous acts of criminal fraud like removing evidence and lying about tests. It's trolling, really.


I think JREF has shown its credibility here.
 
Jetblast said:
Except for the numerous pellets he removed from the victims that tested positive as US missile warhead incendiary pellets.
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Nope, this has all been covered many times before.

This is silly. You are just taking advantage of semantics, coercion, and criminal cover-up.
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No. The fact that your sources simply don't say what you tell us they say is not "semantics."

I won this debate long ago, as answers like yours prove.
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Then why are you here still trying to win it?
 
JB so far you have personally failed to prove anything, the assertions have been thoroughly shown to be either inaccaurate, misreporting, reliant on withnesses you cannot prove exist, misunderstanding of reports and science, or crank websites.

Now can you actually prove anything you have said here through any research outside of the internet??
 
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Jetblast said:
The fact BenjaminTR ignores all the evidence and airs the propaganda of the violators as his sole entry proves the cover-up.
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Non sequitur.

Just watch the new documentary. The fact BenjaminTR is forced to ignore all its evidence is proof that it is evidence. Thanks.
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The evidence presented in the documentary has been refuted. You seem to equate refuting an argument with "ignoring" it. You don't seem to realize that there can be a belief other than yours.

I think JREF has shown its credibility here.
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We agree on that point. Why are you still here, still repeating the same claims you did dozens of pages ago? If you have "won the debate" and "proved your point," why do you still seem to expend so much effort in informing us all of your victory and belaboring a point you consider proven?
 
Jetblast said:
Except for the numerous pellets he removed from the victims that tested positive as US missile warhead incendiary pellets.


This is silly. You are just taking advantage of semantics, coercion, and criminal cover-up.


I won this debate long ago, as answers like yours prove.
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What about the passengers? You can't declare victory until you account for them.
 
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