Cluesforum - How far will they go exactly

Eddie Dane said:
Wasn't the Hellfire club just some elitist guys having a laugh?
A boozy parody of the Masons?
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Pretty much yeah, with some added pseudo satanic stuff as a kind of lets-shock-people-gothy kind of thing. A friend of mine is a descendant of one of hte members, he doesn't appear to have horns or anything.
 
Ugh. Just a had a look at the cluelessnessforum The last time I was on there was after the Boston bombing; it was bad enough then, but it seems to have turned up the dial to !!11ELEVENTY!!1!! since.
I strayed into a thread about the Soho bombing, as a friend of mine was nearby when that went off, and was actually on her way to the Admiral Duncan with friends.
A poster on there related a very similar story to mine - a couple of her friends were going to the pub when the bomb went off - and she was viscously attacked as a liar. Because, of course, there was no bomb!
One of the attackers posted this reply to her:
The streets were full? What Like 7/7? And Bishopsgate and Canary Wharf? What about Lockerbie or Dunblane or Michael Ryan and the zillion other fake murders and bank robberies? Stephen Lawrence - hahahaha. The longest running con ever! We Brits are so erudite you'd never pull that **** on us and get away with it? Really? It's been going on a lot longer than you think or care to admit!

How many of those bomb craters your friends played in were in Belgravia or in the grounds of one of the hundreds of so-called royal establishments in and around London? How many German bombs fell on Westminster?
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(My bolding)
So, according to this particular member, every single historical event for the last however many years is faked. Including the Blitz; all those photo, films, news reports, the destruction of almost every building in central London including the House of Commons - they were all faked. I wouldn't be surprised if he believed that the entire Second World War was an NWO fake.
What a frightening world these people live in; they view practically the whole of reality being faked for their benefit.

ETA: Oh, and the reason the bombing and the other attacks by David Copeland were all faked?
The bombings were staged by the UK government to blame on right wing parties who they feared doing well in the 2001 elections.
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The Copeland attacks were in 1999.
 
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sophia8 said:
What a frightening world these people live in; they view practically the whole of reality being faked for their benefit.
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Reality has to be faked, otherwise there would be events outside of human control, and these people can't handle that. They are control freaks taken to the logical extreme. They can't seem to fathom the idea that sometimes, :rule10 just happens.
 
(ETA - Re: the Hellfire Club)
It was very much a product of the early 18th century.
Being a little naughty was very much the thing.
 
thedopefishlives said:
Reality has to be faked, otherwise there would be events outside of human control, and these people can't handle that. They are control freaks taken to the logical extreme. They can't seem to fathom the idea that sometimes, :rule10 just happens.
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I'm surprised the cluelessness idiots haven't yet dug up these pictures to support their Photoshopping claims: "Look, they had Photoshop back then!"

But yes, they can't admit that things happen randomly and uncontrolled. They're like those Christian fundamentalists who blame every bad thing on Teh Devil: "I stubbed my toe! The devil must have moved that sideboard so that I would walk into it!"
 
When I was about six, I had this paranoid fantasy:

My school building had roughly the same shape and layout as the restaurant at the Rotterdam Zoo.
I started to suspect that adults would move all the furniture and other props, while my parents drove me around in their car.

Seems like these guys got stuck in just such a fantasy.
 
Tolls said:
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I'll take investigative analysis over propaganda disseminated by the British Royal Society (continuation of The Lunar Society/Hellfire Club) any day. Yay, history!
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The first Hellfire Club was formed over 50 years after the Royal Society.
The RS was in the 1660's, the Hellfire Club was 1720's.

"Yay, history" indeed.

ETA: Had to look up the Lunar Society...they were a further 50 years after the Hellfires were formed.
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That sounds like something Lyndon LaRouche would come up with.


Eddie Dane said:
When I was about six, I had this paranoid fantasy:

My school building had roughly the same shape and layout as the restaurant at the Rotterdam Zoo.
I started to suspect that adults would move all the furniture and other props, while my parents drove me around in their car.

Seems like these guys got stuck in just such a fantasy.
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Fascinating.
 
I've tried to register at their little circle-jerk forum three times now, using three different handles and e-mail addresses. It seems they only let in fellow mooks, with maybe the occasional sane person they've selected as a fantasy chew toy.
 
sophia8 said:
What a frightening world these people live in; they view practically the whole of reality being faked for their benefit.
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Actually, if you think about it, it's a wonderful world. TPTB are all psychopaths, but they are very benign psychopaths. They stage fake events where people only pretend to be injured or die, but no one ever actually DOES (like the movies). There are no psychopaths among the general population who get bombs and blow things up, or kidnap women and hold them for years in their basements (yes, even the Ariel Castro story and the Hannah Anderson story were faked). Even earthquakes and other natural disasters are often "faked" events (see Japanese earthquake and midwest tornado analyses).

What is there to fear once you realize that nothing bad can happen to you? ever?
 
sylvan8798 said:
Actually, if you think about it, it's a wonderful world. TPTB are all psychopaths, but they are very benign psychopaths. They stage fake events where people only pretend to be injured or die, but no one ever actually DOES (like the movies). There are no psychopaths among the general population who get bombs and blow things up, or kidnap women and hold them for years in their basements (yes, even the Ariel Castro story and the Hannah Anderson story were faked). Even earthquakes and other natural disasters are often "faked" events (see Japanese earthquake and midwest tornado analyses).

What is there to fear once you realize that nothing bad can happen to you? ever?
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So what the cluesforum members are really saying is that we are all safe. :D
 
sophia8 said:
...they view practically the whole of reality being faked for their benefit.
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One of Australias interchangable set of conspiracy magazines (I think it was "The Unexplained".) had a front page article which listed every major disaster and terrorist act since the 1970s and asked if they were all False Flags....
 
What fascinates me about Cluesforum, is that there is never an end/if for anything they say. An event happens, they intimate that it is faked, the cheer squad come in, and add yes, this is crap, it never happened, (there can only ever be a cheer squad - they refuse membership to anybody who does not agree with them), and then it all goes away until the next "faked" event.

The previous threads and events are dropped into the forgotten world of dead internet posts, because hey, there is an Earthquake in Pakistan that did not happen. IT'S THE NEXT BIG FAKED THING.

So it goes.

Apparently nothing ever happens in the real world (true enough if you are living in Mom's basement and relying on Pizza deliveries to live). But when it does, it is faked, for reasons such as...well, who knows, the members there certainly don't. or won't explain why something was faked, or what the end/if is..., they never bother explaining, except that it is leading a completely undefined somewhere.

They do not know how to join dots and do not even try. They take singular events call them fake without even attempting to put them into a wider tapestry of the CS world, by trying to invent links between the events or suggesting that they lead to some wider purpose..

Every "fake" event leads to a complete cul-de-sac because unlike some CTist's, these people do not even have the brain power to try to link these events to the so-called big picture. They just call it a fake without even understanding why they do this.

(Except for Vietnam - for some reason they seem to accept that there was a War in Vietnam)

Norm
 
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fromdownunder said:
What fascinates me about Cluesforum, is that there is never an end/if for anything they say. An event happens, they intimate that it is faked, the cheer squad come in, and add yes, this is crap, it never happened, (there can only ever be a cheer squad - they refuse membership to anybody who does not agree with them), and then it all goes away until the next "faked" event.

The previous threads and events are dropped into the forgotten world of dead internet posts, because hey, there is an Earthquake in Pakistan that did not happen. IT'S THE NEXT BIG FAKED THING.

So it goes.

Apparently nothing ever happens in the real world (true enough if you are living in Mom's basement and relying on Pizza deliveries to live). But when it does, it is faked, for reasons such as...well, who knows, the members there certainly don't. or won't explain why something was faked, or what the end/if is..., they never bother explaining, except that it is leading a completely undefined somewhere.

They do not know how to join dots and do not even try. They take singular events call them fake without even attempting to put them into a wider tapestry of the CS world, by trying to invent links between the events or suggesting that they lead to some wider purpose..

Every "fake" event leads to a complete cul-de-sac because unlike some CTist's, these people do not even have the brain power to try to link these events to the so-called big picture. They just call it a fake without even understanding why they do this.

(Except for Vietnam - for some reason they seem to accept that there was a War in Vietnam)

Norm
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The irony is they are the "sheeple" they so quickly vilify,whatever Simon
Shack says they agree with,and as you say no one is allowed to disagree with the party line. Even when one of their own raises a voice of dissent they are viciously put down.
Regards Vietnam War,I may be wrong but dont they accept Iraq and Afghanistan wars too? Probably the only thing sin history of the world that they do accept.
 
Still, better than FMOTL.

Denying the existence of the Cold War has less real world repercussions than denying that the IRS has legal powers that will have you sleeping under an overpass in cardboard box by Christmas.
 
Eddie Dane said:
Still, better than FMOTL.

Denying the existence of the Cold War has less real world repercussions than denying that the IRS has legal powers that will have you sleeping under an overpass in cardboard box by Christmas.
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I wouldn't assume that they accept the existence of the IRS or homeless people. It doesn't take much for them to conclude that any given story is fake. For example, if there was a photograph of a homeless man who happened to be wearing something blue, and it was snowing, they would probably say something like blue and white, therefore Israel, therefore fake.
 
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Bishop said:
I wouldn't assume that they accept the existence of the IRS or homeless people. It doesn't take much for them to conclude that any given story is fake. For example, if there was a photograph of a homeless man who happened to be wearing something blue, and it was snowing, they would probably say something like blue and white, therefore Israel, therefore fake.
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OMG! The sky is fake!!!11!1!
 
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