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Religious figures reincarnated (Split from: Pope responds question from atheist)

Kathie Bondar said:
Well, yes, it is not possible to debate the Bible. Who would ever question Joseph, father of Jesus, although how is he the father of Jesus, Mary having given a virgin birth? Was he impotent or has he been castrated?
Joseph a middle eastern male and husband standing by while his virgin wife is being impregnated by a ghost.
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Why is it not possible to discuss a book of fairy stories?
 
Kathie Bondar said:
There is a group of people in the astral I call Lifeplanners (borrowed term). They are the ones who lay out the broad outlines of a person's life on earth.
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No, there are not. That is merely your delusion. Why are you here? Did you really expect that the members of a skeptic's forum would believe your silly stories? Your 'explanation' regarding the name Veronica does not answer. You got that and other things wrong.
 
Craig B said:
Trouble is, when she produces "information" well known and available to living people she's communicating with, her version of it turns out to be baloney, like the dates of St Francis' birth and death, or Jesus' sister's name.
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I worked on the first volume of my book in the 1970 - 80s, of which St. Francis occured probably in the late 1970. I do not memorize everybody's birth date I write about, if needed I go back and look it up. When I answered you I did it from memory, knowing I would be in the ballpark.
I apologize if I offended you by not quoting the exact date.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
Well, yes, it is not possible to debate the Bible. Who would ever question Joseph, father of Jesus, although how is he the father of Jesus, Mary having given a virgin birth? Was he impotent or has he been castrated?
Joseph a middle eastern male and husband standing by while his virgin wife is being impregnated by a ghost.
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I ask, how can Jesus have a sister called Veronica, and you respond with the above odd remarks. Why don't you ask Joseph why his goolies fell off and he let his wife get impregnated by a spook and then he and she went on to have five children including Veronica which didn't exist then even as a word, and Jacob and James which were at that time the same name? I'm sure you could find Joseph reincarnated as a streetcar driver in Toronto or a bartender in Banff, Alberta, and ask him. But unfortunately you refuse to question him. Quite wise, no doubt.
 
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Astreja said:
Kathie, Dafydd isn't putting words in your mouth but can definitely speak for Me.

Your stories are boring. They feature an oddly first-world cast (with a lot of the allegedly reincarnated players conveniently located in your adopted homeland of Canada, and also conveniently anonymous and thus unverifiable). They are anachronistic, as evidenced by the "Veronica" problem, and framed with cultural clumsiness -- Veronica isn't even an Aramaic or Hebrew name.

The bit about Ganymede is just plain silly. With an average temperature of 110 Kelvin, (-163ºC!) it's a safe bet that no humanoids are wandering around in shorts and T-shirts on the surface of the moon. On a chilly night, when the temperature on Ganymede dips down to 70K, they might have to pour themselves a cup of O2 (Oxygen liquefies at 90.19K). Did you bother to ask your "contacts" what kind of technology they use for life support, food production and general creature comforts? Those are the kinds of details that a good story needs.

Oh, I forgot -- They're extraterrestrials. (insert heavy sigh here) So are they from another planet in another star system (and if so, which one?) or were they born on Ganymede? And why do they need to land at Banff, of all places, and not Washington or NYC or Beijing or Riyadh or London? Most importantly, why should we even care about their technology if they're scared of harassment from the U.S. government? It can't be very advanced tech at all if it can't hold off a bunch of hairless apes long enough to make a clean getaway.

Frankly, the wild tale that you're spinning is nothing special. My friends and I have thrown away better story ideas, although they were good for a giggle over afternoon coffee at Timmy's.

And that's My opinion. Not yours. If you want our respect and interest, you'll need something considerably better than a slew of unsupported assertions.
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Well, since temperatures are that high on Ganymede, maybe the poor moon is evaporating and will be no more. It seemed to have happened to Callisto.
 In 2008 borrowed a book from the public library titled Smithsonian. Intimate Guide to the Cosmos.Visualizing the New Realities of Space By Dana Berry, Introduction by Eric J. Chaisson Published in 2004 by Smithsonian Books in association with the National Air and Space Museum
Judged by the cover and photographs this would be a book about deep space, although it did start out with a detailed description of the planets in our solar system, including Jupiter and it’s moons. Jupiter has four larger
moons and dozens of smaller ones. Although Gannymede and Callisto are the largest of the four and two space probes explored the Jupiter system, Voyager I in 1979 and Galileo in 2003, the writer of this book skips over
Gannymede by the mere mention of its existence while giving a detailed descriptions of Io and Europa, omitting Callisto alltogether. In a later chapter he discounts the possibility of any intelligent beings visiting Earth from outer space.
I am so voted out here!
 
Kathie Bondar said:
I worked on the first volume of my book in the 1970 - 80s, of which St. Francis occured probably in the late 1970. I do not memorize everybody's birth date I write about, if needed I go back and look it up. When I answered you I did it from memory, knowing I would be in the ballpark.
I apologize if I offended you by not quoting the exact date.
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You didn't offend me. You proved that your alleged information didn't come from the astral plane, but is nonsense generated by your own imagination.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
In 2008 I recorded a dream of the Higgs particle, visual image and all. I sketched it and included it in my book. With my copyright application I needed to deposit two books, which I did and received the copyright certificate later that year in 2010. As you probably know the Higgs has been experimentally shown since, although they are far from being able to show an actual picture of the particle, as I have done. It can be seen on my website.
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The existence of the Higgs was predicted way back in the 1960s so doing so in 2008 was no great feat. The inclusion of a visual image tells us that the dream was entirely a product of your imagination as no such image is, or ever will be, possible. To understand why you need to read up on quantum theory.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
Actually, most of the names I mentioned ended up in a different country from their birth. How is it possible that so many of them would end up in the same region, although unknown to each-other?
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[Shame. Yet another post type b from Kathie]

Because you made it up reflecting your own personal story and problems. The story of them converging to Banff to greet the extraterrestrial frozenites instead of straitjacketed in a padded cell in Ponoka is one billion times more probably a creation of yours intended as a means to add purpose to your life.

Kathie Bondar said:
There is a group of people in the astral I call Lifeplanners (borrowed term). They are the ones who lay out the broad outlines of a person's life on earth. Prior to departing from the astral the person is shown images of places and associates, to whom when he is on earth will subconsciously relate to and want to interact with. Within these parameters there is free will.
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A twisted and delusion-like way to reintroduce the good ole fate.

Kathie Bondar said:
Myself and most of the poeple I mentined have crossed path here in Canada, although briefly. It helped me later when I worked on the book to identify them from former lives.
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It's only proof you get your stories from your own non-telepathic dreams, as random long term memories, fragment of the eve, and assorted troubles, all of it appears, as in any kind of dreams.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
I worked on the first volume of my book in the 1970 - 80s, of which St. Francis occured probably in the late 1970. I do not memorize everybody's birth date I write about, if needed I go back and look it up. When I answered you I did it from memory, knowing I would be in the ballpark.
I apologize if I offended you by not quoting the exact date.
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You are offending us by insulting our intelligence with your ridiculous stories.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
Well, since temperatures are that high on Ganymede, maybe the poor moon is evaporating and will be no more. It seemed to have happened to Callisto.
 In 2008 borrowed a book from the public library titled Smithsonian. Intimate Guide to the Cosmos.Visualizing the New Realities of Space By Dana Berry, Introduction by Eric J. Chaisson Published in 2004 by Smithsonian Books in association with the National Air and Space Museum
Judged by the cover and photographs this would be a book about deep space, although it did start out with a detailed description of the planets in our solar system, including Jupiter and it’s moons. Jupiter has four larger
moons and dozens of smaller ones. Although Gannymede and Callisto are the largest of the four and two space probes explored the Jupiter system, Voyager I in 1979 and Galileo in 2003, the writer of this book skips over
Gannymede by the mere mention of its existence while giving a detailed descriptions of Io and Europa, omitting Callisto alltogether. In a later chapter he discounts the possibility of any intelligent beings visiting Earth from outer space.
I am so voted out here!
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You are voted out by reality. Why are you here?
 
Astreja said:
High? Check your figures, Kathie -- The warmest day on Ganymede (152ºK, or -121ºC) is about -80ºC colder than the coldest January day in Winnipeg.
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It seems Kathie have no idea about managing temperature scales, nor reacts to the minus signs. You shouldn't help her on that as she claims to have information right out of the minds of the natives.

Kathie, -80"C colder means 144°F warmer.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
Well, since temperatures are that high on Ganymede, maybe the poor moon is evaporating and will be no more.
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High temperatures? Did you even read the post? You are originally from a country that uses Celsius, a.k.a. centigrades, don't you? Then you should immediately realize that anything negative in Celsius is freezing cold.

And how could Ganymede be evaporating? Wouldn't the creatures that contact you in your dreams be telling you that? Please try to get some consistency in your fantasy tails at least.

Kathie Bondar said:
It seemed to have happened to Callisto.
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Huh? Galilei saw Callisto, Pioneer 10 and 11 saw Callisto, as well as Galileo and Cassini. Last I checked it was still up there.

Kathie Bondar said:
 In 2008 borrowed a book from the public library titled Smithsonian. Intimate Guide to the Cosmos.Visualizing the New Realities of Space By Dana Berry, Introduction by Eric J. Chaisson Published in 2004 by Smithsonian Books in association with the National Air and Space Museum
Judged by the cover and photographs this would be a book about deep space, although it did start out with a detailed description of the planets in our solar system, including Jupiter and it’s moons. Jupiter has four larger
moons and dozens of smaller ones. Although Gannymede and Callisto are the largest of the four and two space probes explored the Jupiter system, Voyager I in 1979 and Galileo in 2003, the writer of this book skips over
Gannymede by the mere mention of its existence while giving a detailed descriptions of Io and Europa, omitting Callisto alltogether. In a later chapter he discounts the possibility of any intelligent beings visiting Earth from outer space.
I am so voted out here!
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So just because one freaking book you read doesn't discuss them they're not there? Great logic, I must say. :rolleyes:
 
ddt said:
High temperatures? Did you even read the post? You are originally from a country that uses Celsius, a.k.a. centigrades, don't you? Then you should immediately realize that anything negative in Celsius is freezing cold.

And how could Ganymede be evaporating? Wouldn't the creatures that contact you in your dreams be telling you that? Please try to get some consistency in your fantasy tails at least.


Huh? Galilei saw Callisto, Pioneer 10 and 11 saw Callisto, as well as Galileo and Cassini. Last I checked it was still up there.


So just because one freaking book you read doesn't discuss them they're not there? Great logic, I must say. :rolleyes:
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What a relief!
 
aleCcowaN said:
It seems Kathie have no idea about managing temperature scales, nor reacts to the minus signs. You shouldn't help her on that as she claims to have information right out of the minds of the natives.

Kathie, -80"C colder means 144°F warmer.
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Is this the Inquisition, or what?
Lighten up folks, get a little sunshine and the world will not appear quite so confrontational to you.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
Is this the Inquisition, or what?
Lighten up folks, get a little sunshine and the world will not appear quite so confrontational to you.
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Well, if you're claiming to get information from a psychic source that should know this sort of thing, it does tend to make one give the rest of your claims a bit of the stink-eye.

So far you've managed to get just about everything that can be independently verified completely wrong. That doesn't bode well for the unverifiable claims, as I'm sure you can see.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
Is this the Inquisition, or what?
Lighten up folks, get a little sunshine and the world will not appear quite so confrontational to you.
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What a silly question/remark to make. These are fora about scepticism.

You came here looking for the sun. Stop winning about you're sunburnt.

Besides, we have no doubt all your reincarnation-telepathic BS puts you in 'happy' trance. I have no doubt that is the only reason for it to exist. We don't buy the BS nor the happy trance, and that is not going to change.
 
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