Religious figures reincarnated (Split from: Pope responds question from atheist)

[welshdean]

Kathie, just so I can get this. Are you saying that Dr Who is real?

 

[Astreja]

Kathie, Dafydd isn't putting words in your mouth but can definitely speak for Me.

Your stories are boring. They feature an oddly first-world cast (with a lot of the allegedly reincarnated players conveniently located in your adopted homeland of Canada, and also conveniently anonymous and thus unverifiable). They are anachronistic, as evidenced by the "Veronica" problem, and framed with cultural clumsiness -- Veronica isn't even an Aramaic or Hebrew name.

The bit about Ganymede is just plain silly. With an average temperature of 110 Kelvin, (-163ºC!) it's a safe bet that no humanoids are wandering around in shorts and T-shirts on the surface of the moon. On a chilly night, when the temperature on Ganymede dips down to 70K, they might have to pour themselves a cup of O₂ (Oxygen liquefies at 90.19K). Did you bother to ask your "contacts" what kind of technology they use for life support, food production and general creature comforts? Those are the kinds of details that a good story needs.

Oh, I forgot -- They're extraterrestrials. (insert heavy sigh here) So are they from another planet in another star system (and if so, which one?) or were they born on Ganymede? And why do they need to land at Banff, of all places, and not Washington or NYC or Beijing or Riyadh or London? Most importantly, why should we even care about their technology if they're scared of harassment from the U.S. government? It can't be very advanced tech at all if it can't hold off a bunch of hairless apes long enough to make a clean getaway.

Frankly, the wild tale that you're spinning is nothing special. My friends and I have thrown away better story ideas, although they were good for a giggle over afternoon coffee at Timmy's.

And that's My opinion. Not yours. If you want our respect and interest, you'll need something considerably better than a slew of unsupported assertions.

 

[ddt]

The bit about Ganymede is just plain silly. With an average temperature of 110 Kelvin, (-163ºC!) it's a safe bet that no humanoids are wandering around in shorts and T-shirts on the surface of the moon. On a chilly night, when the temperature on Ganymede dips down to 70K, they might have to pour themselves a cup of O₂ (Oxygen liquefies at 90.19K). Did you bother to ask your "contacts" what kind of technology they use for life support, food production and general creature comforts? Those are the kinds of details that a good story needs.

Nitpick: the boiling point you mention is at standard pressure (about 100kPa or 1bar). At lower pressures, the boiling point of a pure substance is typically lower, see the typical phase diagram. The atmospheric pressure at the surface of Ganymede is "trace" according to wiki, so I guess the oxygen there still is gaseous. And it also says that the atmosphere of Ganymede consists of oyxgen. But well, that tiny pressure is yet another problem for any humanoid lifeform.

ETA: I haven't been able to find a reliable phase diagram for oxygen at low temperature and low pressure...

 

[dafydd]

Her stories are as ridiculous as the ones in this comedy classic.

http://leadbeater.org/tillettcwlchap13.htm

 

[Astreja]

Nitpick: the boiling point you mention is at standard pressure (about 100kPa or 1bar). At lower pressures, the boiling point of a pure substance is typically lower, see the typical phase diagram. The atmospheric pressure at the surface of Ganymede is "trace" according to wiki, so I guess the oxygen there still is gaseous. And it also says that the atmosphere of Ganymede consists of oyxgen. But well, that tiny pressure is yet another problem for any humanoid lifeform.

ETA: I haven't been able to find a reliable phase diagram for oxygen at low temperature and low pressure...

Thanks for the clarification on that -- It's been 40 years since I took chemistry in high school (although I can still remember Avogadro's number like it was yesterday, and find My way around the Periodic Table).

Either way, though, choosing between virtually no oxygen and liquid oxygen is kind of like choosing between Scylla and Charybdis.

 

[dafydd]

Thanks for the clarification on that -- It's been 40 years since I took chemistry in high school (although I can still remember Avogadro's number like it was yesterday, and find My way around the Periodic Table).

Either way, though, choosing between virtually no oxygen and liquid oxygen is kind of like choosing between Scylla and Charybdis.

Jesus was a cool character.

 

[Kathie Bondar]

She is avoiding that one. And all the other questions which show her stories to be just that, stories.

I can speak for myself, do not speak on my behalf. Other than the occasional rude remarks you have not contributed anything memorable to the discussion, which makes me think you don't really have anything original to say.

 

[Kathie Bondar]

Kathie, Dafydd isn't putting words in your mouth but can definitely speak for Me.

Your stories are boring. They feature an oddly first-world cast (with a lot of the allegedly reincarnated players conveniently located in your adopted homeland of Canada, and also conveniently anonymous and thus unverifiable). They are anachronistic, as evidenced by the "Veronica" problem, and framed with cultural clumsiness -- Veronica isn't even an Aramaic or Hebrew name.

The bit about Ganymede is just plain silly. With an average temperature of 110 Kelvin, (-163ºC!) it's a safe bet that no humanoids are wandering around in shorts and T-shirts on the surface of the moon. On a chilly night, when the temperature on Ganymede dips down to 70K, they might have to pour themselves a cup of O₂ (Oxygen liquefies at 90.19K). Did you bother to ask your "contacts" what kind of technology they use for life support, food production and general creature comforts? Those are the kinds of details that a good story needs.

Oh, I forgot -- They're extraterrestrials. (insert heavy sigh here) So are they from another planet in another star system (and if so, which one?) or were they born on Ganymede? And why do they need to land at Banff, of all places, and not Washington or NYC or Beijing or Riyadh or London? Most importantly, why should we even care about their technology if they're scared of harassment from the U.S. government? It can't be very advanced tech at all if it can't hold off a bunch of hairless apes long enough to make a clean getaway.

Frankly, the wild tale that you're spinning is nothing special. My friends and I have thrown away better story ideas, although they were good for a giggle over afternoon coffee at Timmy's.

And that's My opinion. Not yours. If you want our respect and interest, you'll need something considerably better than a slew of unsupported assertions.

I worked out the language, so they talk to me. As soon as you had the language they might want to talk to you, you being so inviting to debate.
I have a chapter devoted to the extraterrestrials talking about themselves and their environment. Perhaps you would disagree with their description, but I did publish it, nonetheless, for those who want to read it. Nobody on this planet has a gun at his head to read it, so you are OK there.

 

[Craig B]

I can speak for myself, do not speak on my behalf. Other than the occasional rude remarks you have not contributed anything memorable to the discussion, which makes me think you don't really have anything original to say.

If you wish to contribute memorable things to this discussion, may I again renew my invitation to you to explain how Jesus could have a sister named "Veronica", a name which could not have existed then? And you could also memorably respond to the other points regarding errors and anachronisms, raised by other contributors.

 

[Astreja]

I worked out the language, so they talk to me. As soon as you had the language they might want to talk to you, you being so inviting to debate.
I have a chapter devoted to the extraterrestrials talking about themselves and their environment. Perhaps you would disagree with their description, but I did publish it, nonetheless, for those who want to read it. Nobody on this planet has a gun at his head to read it, so you are OK there.

I don't believe you, Kathie.

I also find it interesting that the extraterrestrials speak in a language that only you know at present. That in itself raises the question of how intelligent these entities are, if they can't communicate in any of Earth's languages. If we can't understand them and they can't (or can't be bothered to) understand us, that doesn't bode well for the relationship.

Please keep in mind that this forum is devoted to skepticism, and isn't a place where people can make claims and expect them to be accepted uncritically.

Do you have any evidence that we can verify independently of your writings? A prediction of an upcoming natural event, accurate to the day and minute? A sample of alien technology? Testable evidence for the existence of souls and for reincarnation of those souls?

 

[Pixel42]

The easiest evidence for Kathie to provide would be information known only to one of the dead people she's supposedly communicating with. I notice that posts pointing this out are amongst the many she is ignoring.

 

[Craig B]

The easiest evidence for Kathie to provide would be information known only to one of the dead people she's supposedly communicating with. I notice that posts pointing this out are amongst the many she is ignoring.

Trouble is, when she produces "information" well known and available to living people she's communicating with, her version of it turns out to be baloney, like the dates of St Francis' birth and death, or Jesus' sister's name.

 

[dafydd]

I can speak for myself, do not speak on my behalf. Other than the occasional rude remarks you have not contributed anything memorable to the discussion, which makes me think you don't really have anything original to say.

Neither do you, just the same old fiction about reincarnation. Some proof would be welcome. Your SF stories are not proof. When are you going to address the Veronica issue?

 

[dafydd]

Nobody on this planet has a gun at his head to read it, so you are OK there.

No, but they would need a lobotomy in order to believe it.

 

[aleCcowaN]

So far it looks like Kathie is going to contribute two kind of posts on a periodical basis:

a) A couple of replies that won't address what she was asked nor her blunders but to reaffirm the general notions she sustains about reality and herself and avoid them to be vanished in the air. Those posts are meant to keep her in balance, not to "illustrate" us or the masses. Most of her posts will be this kind.

b) Isolated outbursts of alien/astral genealogy entwined with earthly storytelling. We will learn how a Caucasian from the Northern Hemisphere reincarnated in another Caucasian, preferably Canadian, within unlikely historical and cultural settings, though some other races and contexts will be shown now and then in compliance with union and legal regulations. That way we'll learn how Martin Luther had a son named Ho Chi Minh and some sort or gender swapping, child molestation, violence and cover up took place ... and dogs were probably in the scene.

Kathie can easily contradict that by posting type c or d, but I'm afraid she won't. If our fora were receptive to storytelling, her posts would be increasingly type b and less type a. As sceptics do what sceptics should, type a are almost her only option, unless it feels like a retreat and all the picture feels like it's falling apart, so an occasional type b is to be expected as a part of last second pedalling to keep the bicycle from falling down.

Surely, this is going to be a long thread. For some this would be their personal version of Shutter Island. For others, it will be "Which would be worse? To live as a tormented person, or die as a trailblazer?"

 

[ddt]

Thanks for the clarification on that -- It's been 40 years since I took chemistry in high school (although I can still remember Avogadro's number like it was yesterday, and find My way around the Periodic Table).

It's 30 years since I took physics (phases are more a physics concept rather than chemistry) and chemistry in high school, so I guess it's those 10 years that make the difference.

Either way, though, choosing between virtually no oxygen and liquid oxygen is kind of like choosing between Scylla and Charybdis.

You can survive the latter, as Odysseus showed. The former, not so much. And let's not forget the very, very low atmospheric pressure: less than 2.5 microPascal according to Voyager, that is 100 billion-th of the earth's atmospheric pressure.

I worked out the language, so they talk to me. As soon as you had the language they might want to talk to you, you being so inviting to debate.
I have a chapter devoted to the extraterrestrials talking about themselves and their environment. Perhaps you would disagree with their description, but I did publish it, nonetheless, for those who want to read it. Nobody on this planet has a gun at his head to read it, so you are OK there.

Then how about explaining how they survive there? As I wrote above, and you can check that on the wiki page on Ganymede, there is only a very, very sparse atmosphere. How can creatures survive there? Under such circumstance, any earthly organism would more or less explode from its own pressure. This also means that there is no absorption of cosmic radiation to speak of, so anyone living there is exposed to a constant bombardment of UV, X, and gamma radiation; very unhealthy I'd say.

 

[dafydd]

If you wish to contribute memorable things to this discussion, may I again renew my invitation to you to explain how Jesus could have a sister named "Veronica", a name which could not have existed then? And you could also memorably respond to the other points regarding errors and anachronisms, raised by other contributors.

Kathie? Are you going to address these points?

 

[Kathie Bondar]

I don't believe you, Kathie.

I also find it interesting that the extraterrestrials speak in a language that only you know at present. That in itself raises the question of how intelligent these entities are, if they can't communicate in any of Earth's languages. If we can't understand them and they can't (or can't be bothered to) understand us, that doesn't bode well for the relationship.

Please keep in mind that this forum is devoted to skepticism, and isn't a place where people can make claims and expect them to be accepted uncritically.

Do you have any evidence that we can verify independently of your writings? A prediction of an upcoming natural event, accurate to the day and minute? A sample of alien technology? Testable evidence for the existence of souls and for reincarnation of those souls?

Telepathy always comes through in present tense, first person singular and in your own working language, regardless of the sender's language.
As for myself, I rely on dream interpretation rather than telepathy, mainly because I am a good sleeper while during the day there is too much going on.
In 2008 I recorded a dream of the Higgs particle, visual image and all. I sketched it and included it in my book. With my copyright application I needed to deposit two books, which I did and received the copyright certificate later that year in 2010. As you probably know the Higgs has been experimentally shown since, although they are far from being able to show an actual picture of the particle, as I have done. It can be seen on my website.

 

[Kathie Bondar]

Kathie? Are you going to address these points?

Well, yes, it is not possible to debate the Bible. Who would ever question Joseph, father of Jesus, although how is he the father of Jesus, Mary having given a virgin birth? Was he impotent or has he been castrated?
Joseph a middle eastern male and husband standing by while his virgin wife is being impregnated by a ghost.

 

[Kathie Bondar]

So far it looks like Kathie is going to contribute two kind of posts on a periodical basis:

a) A couple of replies that won't address what she was asked nor her blunders but to reaffirm the general notions she sustains about reality and herself and avoid them to be vanished in the air. Those posts are meant to keep her in balance, not to "illustrate" us or the masses. Most of her posts will be this kind.

b) Isolated outbursts of alien/astral genealogy entwined with earthly storytelling. We will learn how a Caucasian from the Northern Hemisphere reincarnated in another Caucasian, preferably Canadian, within unlikely historical and cultural settings, though some other races and contexts will be shown now and then in compliance with union and legal regulations. That way we'll learn how Martin Luther had a son named Ho Chi Minh and some sort or gender swapping, child molestation, violence and cover up took place ... and dogs were probably in the scene.

Kathie can easily contradict that by posting type c or d, but I'm afraid she won't. If our fora were receptive to storytelling, her posts would be increasingly type b and less type a. As sceptics do what sceptics should, type a are almost her only option, unless it feels like a retreat and all the picture feels like it's falling apart, so an occasional type b is to be expected as a part of last second pedalling to keep the bicycle from falling down.

Surely, this is going to be a long thread. For some this would be their personal version of Shutter Island. For others, it will be "Which would be worse? To live as a tormented person, or die as a trailblazer?"

Actually, most of the names I mentioned ended up in a different country from their birth. How is it possible that so many of them would end up in the same region, although unknown to each-other?
There is a group of people in the astral I call Lifeplanners (borrowed term). They are the ones who lay out the broad outlines of a person's life on earth. Prior to departing from the astral the person is shown images of places and associates, to whom when he is on earth will subconsciously relate to and want to interact with. Within these parameters there is free will.
Myself and most of the poeple I mentined have crossed path here in Canada, although briefly. It helped me later when I worked on the book to identify them from former lives.