"24 hard facts about 9/11 that cannot be debunked"

sonofgloin said:
My fellow posters you are a myopic lot, whereas I am bifocal.
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Interesting. I've never heard a conspiracy theorist claim that I am an ignorant sheep while he has an almost god-like ability to see "the truth".

Must be something new :rolleyes:
 
@sonofgloin

So assuming you are correct and the explosive sounds heard on the day were bombs?

Would they be Thermite bombs ?
 
twinstead said:
Interesting. I've never heard a conspiracy theorist claim that I am an ignorant sheep while he has an almost god-like ability to see "the truth".

Must be something new :rolleyes:
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Can we meet....I have a habit, cigarettes and wine....
 
Spanx said:
@sonofgloin

So assuming you are correct and the explosive sounds heard on the day were bombs?

Would they be Thermite bombs ?
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The whole thermite thing is suspect because it fronted up years later....but all the same NIST should have tested for it.
 
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sonofgloin said:
The whole thermite thing is suspect because it fronted up years later....but all the same NIST should have tested for it.
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Great, so can you now point us to the evidence that shows explosives were used.
Not just footage of fire fighters saying they heard explosions.
 
sonofgloin said:
Bob, it does not matter if they test on an 8 storey frame or an 80. The stess factor on all floors is equal, eqilateral weight transferance. You use "hit by jet" as a validation to the fragile nature of the sub frame. It is a validation....a validation of the integrity of the frame given no floors collapsed at the time of impact, or closely after.
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You don't realize a 110 story building hit by a jet at the 80th floor before suffering a fire would perform differently than a 8 story building not hit by a jet before suffering a fire? Please tell me you realize 30 floors exerts more downward pressure than 8? :rolleyes:

You know that Minoru Yamasaki designed the World Trade Center towers to withstand a collision with a Boeing 707 airplane.....and they did....
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Lie.

so it is still back to fire collapsing three steel framed buildings in one place for the first time in history.
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Lie. Seriously, do you not realize we've been through these myths many times before?
 
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sonofgloin said:
Bodies hitting the ground sounds like charges.....rediculous BN.
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OOPS, you should read before you make up stuff. They don't? How would you know? Was there a HD audio on 911? (no)
How can you fall into traps so easy? Does 911 truth fail to read anything? Is all 911 truth research this shallow?

8)100′s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS
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"Hard Fact" 8, was silly. There were no bombs on 911. Hard fact 8 becomes a delusional lie.

Following are 16 WTC first responder descriptions of explosive noises well before the towers collapsed:

"Sounded like bombs" –Keith Murphy
"A huge explosion" –Gerard Gorman
"Sound of popping and exploding" –Alwish Monchery
"Explosions" –William Burns
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova
"Sounded like explosions." –Anthony Fitzgerald
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Sounded like explosions" –Wilfred Barriere
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters" –John Murray
"You could hear explosions" –Richard Smiouskas
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson
"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Sounded like an explosion" –John Morabito
"There were lots of explosions" –Jeff Birnbaum
"Under the assumption that the sounds were secondary bombs." –Andrew Rodriguez
"Sounded like bombs. Like a bomb going off. I mean, it was huge." –FDNY Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
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Oops, you were wrong. How can 911 truth get everything wrong about 911?
These were bodies. Darn, you thought you were right.

I already played this card. Better read posts instead of making up more nonsense. How do you know what things sound like? It is funny, you use witnesses to support woo, I use witnesses to shoot down woo. Research kills woo again.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheyheard
Learn something before you post junk.

sonofgloin said:
I watched the 911 doco released by the two French brothers while riding with a FDNY crew. They were recording as the poor souls were jumping....they were thuds....
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Wow, they need better sound equipment. Physics of sound. You know there are big books about sound, you can't google up knowledge to save you from making silly posts like this. Next time think before posting nonsense. What was your point? Your perceptions are limited to low quality video sound?

sonofgloin said:
Re the physics and engineering I bet you have contributed to discussions that you are not mastered in.....I commented on structural weight dispersment, a concept that I grasp if you do not sport.
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You posted nonsense about a experiments you googled and used the 911 truth claims to support your fantasy of 911. A fantasy you can't explain, or support in the real world.

sonofgloin said:
You know that Minoru Yamasaki designed the World Trade Center towers to withstand a collision with a Boeing 707 airplane.....and they did....so it is still back to fire collapsing three steel framed buildings in one place for the first time in history.
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Minoru Yamasaki was an architect, not a structural engineer, he did not design the WTC structure, he designed what you see, not how it is built. Did you read anything about the WTC? How can you make mistakes this big? Do you know anything about the WTC; you already failed comparing the WTC to a 8 story experiment you never studied. How many ways are you fooled by lies 911 truth made up?

Wow, you failed to make a point with "Hard Fact" 13.
13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s).
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SO?

Nope, you left out what ... , the structural engineers designed the WTC to withstand a collision of a Boeing 707 going 180 mph, low on fuel, lost in the fog. Oops you left off the technical part. You left out the physics. Why do you present no data to support the woo?

A 707 going 180 mph would not do much damage. In fact, a study after 911 showed the WTC could stop impacts up to 200 mph, maybe higher. (can you find the study?) No.

707 impact design for WTC equal to 187 pound of TNT.
Flt 11 impact on 911, equal to 1300 pounds of TNT.
Flt 175 impact on 911, equal to 2093 pounds of TNT.

Why do you present the reason the WTC failed to stop aircraft, the design was only for a slow speed impact. Do you try to do research, or only repeat lies you pick up from 911 truth.

On 911 the impact from 11 and 175 were 7 and 11 times greater in energy than the design of the WTC could take. 7 and 11 times greater. Now how did you miss that? Did you do the physics before making up another meaningless claim?


sonofgloin said:
For someone with no precedent data, you are welded onto the concept of fire being the agent.
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LOL, fire destorys the streanght of steel. A fact you can't grasp? Why? Science, it makes your conclusions on 911 woo.

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Oops, no, it is not the first time in history fire has destroyed the strength of steel. Darn, you and 911 truth were wrong, but you can't figure it out given 12 years and the answers. In 12 years 911 truthers could have had a PhD in structural engineering, but all they have is a PhD in woo from Google U. Good luck with Flt 93, and 77 - you can't explain you fantasy on the WTC, you only repeat lies from 911 truth.

What will you do when you get to silly "hard fact" 24?
24) At least 7 of the 19 listed highjackers are still alive
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LOL, how will you defend this one?

Which 911 truth "hard fact" can you support? All 911 truth "hard facts" are nonsense.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/18/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked/
Poor Joe is gullible, and spreads lie mindlessly.
 
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Sabretooth said:
Holy flashbacks. I swear it's 2006 again. This has been a banner year for complete rehashings of nonsense that was already debunked.
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It takes about 6 years for a new crop of grade school kids to learn how to read well enough to know what the snake oil salesmen are peddling so all of this crap looks like new information to some poor schmuck.
 
beachnut said:
Minoru Yamasaki was an architect, not a structural engineer, he did not design the WTC structure, he designed what you see, not how it is built. Did you read anything about the WTC? .
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Yes BN I stuffed that up, I knew when I posted it, the engineers designed it to resist a large aircraft. Doesn't change the fact that it was designed to be impact reistant and it was....then it burnt to the ground....
 
sonofgloin said:
Yes BN I stuffed that up, I knew when I posted it, the engineers designed it to resist a large aircraft. Doesn't change the fact that it was designed to be impact reistant and it was....then it burnt to the ground....
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A slow speed impact, not a high speed impact. Low on fuel, not 66,000 pounds of jet fuel. Better get the numbers right before supporting lies. Another "hard fact" failure for 911 truth.
 
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beachnut said:
A slow speed impact, not a high speed impact. Low on fuel, not 66,000 pounds of jet fuel. Better get the numbers right before supporting lies. Another "hard fact" failure for 911 truth.
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Thanks for the replies my fellow thinkers, it gave me the impetus to revisit the facts that formed my opinion all those years ago. I am moving on from this thread safe in the knowledge........
 
Is it time to post the pictures of aircraft carrier steel flight decks sagging after fires? Guess what the fuel was?
 
sonofgloin said:
Thanks for the replies my fellow thinkers, it gave me the impetus to revisit the facts that formed my opinion all those years ago. I am moving on from this thread safe in the knowledge........
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That Twooferism is dead.
 
Why/How would the President staying at the school indicate anything other than a decision was made at the time to stay at the school? The President could have been rushed away from the school and be involved in a conspiracy. He clearly wasn't, but there's not conclusion to draw one way or the other from the decision to stay in place.
 
Craig4 said:
Why/How would the President staying at the school indicate anything other than a decision was made at the time to stay at the school? The President could have been rushed away from the school and be involved in a conspiracy. He clearly wasn't, but there's not conclusion to draw one way or the other from the decision to stay in place.
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Common sense does not apply in the wacky world of Twooferland.
 
sonofgloin said:
You know that Minoru Yamasaki designed the World Trade Center towers to withstand a collision with a Boeing 707 airplane.....and they did....so it is still back to fire collapsing three steel framed buildings in one place for the first time in history.
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So you will be producing the engineering studies for the particular design consideration?

I won't hold my breath waiting
 
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