Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Do the Kercher's understand that their lawyer opposed the defense requests for new testing? It seems to me he disobeyed their wishes. Who is he representing?

Rose I missed the report in which Maresca objected this time around. I would like to see that accounting and to clear I don't doubt your reporting.

Once again, does anyone have a cite that states that the C&V report remains part of this case? If so, then testing the knife could be the end for the prosecution. They have nothing to put Amanda at the murder scene except the knife.

OT, the PGP are still talking about the fantastic cleaning job the kids did. :jaw-dropp
 
You are offending a poster; I see this has to do with a rule here (even if I don't understand why defamation of people who are not posters is allowed).

What I said is obviously true, so your claim is disingenuous and unfounded.
Then, your stating that something is "significantly more important than the shoe prints" is actually already off topic, because possible importance of the trace is obviously not the determinant factor: we are, in fact, talking about a delay. The forensic basically said "we can test it, but we need to destroy the item"; the prosecution said "so let's wait, we can always do it later".

Now, the first rapist, Rudy Guede, was sentenced with a short trial in the preliminary hearing. A semen stain would have been unnecessary against him, but also illegitimate because his choice of fast track "freezes" all the evidence, no evidence against him can be added.
We know that on the other side, Sollecito's defence - by his own admission - delayed as much as possible the request to test it.

Now, your comment about protecting alleged "incompetent inspectors of the ILE" is obviously nonsense because those who refused to test the stain were not the prosecution, they were the judges: Massei's court (it was requested at the end of his trial, that means after the testimony and evidence discussion phase), then it was refused by Hellmann-Zanetti, and, the request is opposed by the Kerchers; and now it's rejected also by a Florentine court, whom nobody in Perugia knows (hope you are not believeing a Florentine court protects some obscure Perugian investigators).
You and Andrea Vogt spare no effort in the attempt to deflect attention from Mr. Mignini.
 
Nobody from defence experts ever attempted to access DNA data.
That was their strategy.
Moreover, nobody from the defences ever objected to that Stefanoni did the tests alone, they never required judte-appointed experts to carry on the tests. That was their strategy too.
Vinci and Potenza and Torre are experts themselves, as well as Tagliabracci and Pascali (a guy who is now indicted for corruption and false expert report in another case) and they always knew what they intended to request, and what they intended not to request.

I almost missed yet another conspiracy theory from Machiavelli. In this one he claims the defense really doesn't want the data, they just want to use the lack of data to complain about it, or something along those lines. I can't wait for the next one.
 
This is all about reading the minds of the prosecution. The way I see it, the only way the result could serve their agenda would be if it were to turn out to be from Raffaele. If it's either Rudy's or an unknown male, then it becomes very difficult for them to work into their narrative (such as it is) of a 3-on-1 attack involving Amanda and Raff. Indeed if it were (in an alternative universe) to be Raff's then they would have to change their entire narrative to implicate him in a different sort of crime.

So, one way or another it looks like they already know the result: either by having done the test, or because by the time it became an issue they already knew that it couldn't possibly be Raff, because he wasn't there. Either way, it suits them better to leave it up to speculation as to what particular fiend ejaculated onto a pillow found under the murder victim's hips.

Yes - I should have stated simply that I was agreeing with what you said, and expanding on it;

My guess is that the prosecution has already tested the stain and are keeping quiet about the results.

Bottom line; employees of the Italian CJS are concealing evidence.

>> Edited to correct acronym.
 
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Rose I missed the report in which Maresca objected this time around. I would like to see that accounting and to clear I don't doubt your reporting.

Once again, does anyone have a cite that states that the C&V report remains part of this case? If so, then testing the knife could be the end for the prosecution. They have nothing to put Amanda at the murder scene except the knife.

OT, the PGP are still talking about the fantastic cleaning job the kids did. :jaw-dropp

I am basing it on the tweet from the courtroom by La Nazione I posted earlier


La Nazione ‏@qn_lanazione 2m

Processo Meredith: tocca alle parti civili. Anche i legali della famiglia Kercher contrari alle richieste delle difese
 
Absolutely not. He does not waive his right to remain silent at all, no matter what letters he wrote are read in court.

The problem is that he testified in court by reading his letter. By reading his letter in court Rudy is not remaining silent. This is where he would have waived his right to remain silent. But in Italy, everything is ass backwards.
 
I almost missed yet another conspiracy theory from Machiavelli. In this one he claims the defense really doesn't want the data, they just want to use the lack of data to complain about it, or something along those lines. I can't wait for the next one.

Didn't you hear? The defense teams actually demanded that Stefanoni should not produce any information to them. The judge had to order them to even accept a copy of Stefanoni's report.
 
The problem is that he testified in court by reading his letter. By reading his letter in court Rudy is not remaining silent. This is where he would have waived his right to remain silent. But in Italy, everything is ass backwards.

No he did not read his letter. The prosecution read the letter (and deposited the letter as a document).
Then Guede testified about his letter. Confirmed that he was the author, said why and when he wrote it.
But he decided to remain silent about the murder. He never waived his right about this.
I meet a big crowd of people here apparently eager to lecture courts and Supreme Court about the procedure code.
 
I would like to see something more expansive on the topic. If in fact the Kerchers want everything to be examined...

Here you go.....

"We are pleased with the Court's decision, there is no 'need' for further study 'cause there are already' all the elements, based on previous processes to decide." They said the lawyers of the family of Meredith Kercher, Francesco Maresca and Vieri Fabiani, after today's hearing of the Court of Assizes of Appeal of Florence, which has rejected the request for renewal of acts of investigation by the defense of the accused Amanda Knox and Raffaele Solelcito. "Based on the evidence on record the Court can 'decide in a free and peaceful," they added lawyers Maresca and Fabiani. About the only new appraisal entrusted by the Court, that the examination of the remains on the knife genetic seized in Sollecito's house, the lawyers of the family of the murdered girl observed: "It 's been entrusted with this expertise for the sake of completeness."

http://translate.google.ca/translat...a%22&lr=&cr=countryIT&tbs=qdr:w,ctr:countryIT

Unless the Kerchers just were talking about the prosecution requests. It doesn't read that way from what I have seen but it is possible.
 
I almost missed yet another conspiracy theory from Machiavelli. In this one he claims the defense really doesn't want the data, they just want to use the lack of data to complain about it, or something along those lines. I can't wait for the next one.

It's normal defence strategy, not a conspiracy theory.

Other posters from your side actually admitted that this should be the purpose of the EDF issue!

The strategy is actually just what is documented. The defence attempted to have Stefanoni's testimony and thecnical report disallowed. This is all what they wanted! They never wanted the EDf files. They wanted to use the topic as a ploy to this attempt.
It's obvious.
I understand a nursery school teacher might not see it. A lawyer spots that immediately.
 
It's normal defence strategy, not a conspiracy theory.

Other posters from your side actually admitted that this should be the purpose of the EDF issue!

The strategy is actually just what is documented. The defence attempted to have Stefanoni's testimony and thecnical report disallowed. This is all what they wanted! They never wanted the EDf files. They wanted to use the topic as a ploy to this attempt.
It's obvious.
I understand a nursery school teacher might not see it. A lawyer spots that immediately.

Are you a lawyer then? Are you claiming expertise on this? I am not a nursery school teacher, btw.
 
It's funny that news reports as early as November 7, 2007 are talking about purported semen stains and that Rudy relays this in his recorded Skype call. But then there is no record of this purported stain being collected for testing.

Machiavelli jumps to the presumption that the sole purpose of testing the stain is the show Rudy's guilt and discredit his testimony. On the contrary. Rudy has already been proven guilty and cannot be found more guilty. And since Rudy has refused to testify there is nothing of him to discredit. Even his statements about Raffaele and Amanada written in the letter have been ruled untrustworthy.

I don't think I was ever talking about Guede's credibility; or discrediting of.
I think you are musunderstanding what I wrote. I wrote exactly that Guede cannot be found more guilty.

But also the bringing up of more evidence against him was prevented in the preliminary hearing, because of the fast track trial. The abbreviated trial prevents the prosecution from bringing up more evidence.

No, it is not the discredit of Rudy that testing the semen stain would bring. It is the support of the statements of Mario Alessi. Wasn't one of the points brought by Mario about masterbating over Meredith's body? Since this stain had not already been tested, If Mario has correctly identified the source of the semen, his statement must be considered to have a factual basis.

If you put it like that, the importance of the semen stain would depend from the credibility of Mario Alessi.
But in fact, it is hard to imagine that something could ever give credit to the words of Mario Alessi.
The question about Mario Alessi actually is a much later point, it was raised when Sollecito wa already a convicted over his appeal.

Now where is Machiavelli getting the idea that I am personally attacking him.

Maybe from the fact that you called my writings a "prostituting myself".

I attack his claims and call them lies when there is evidence contradicting them. I attacked the hidden "other person" that appears to be using Machiavelli to deflect the truth.

This is quite an insult. You are calling me a puppet and a liar.

Machiavelli wants to claim that this "other person" does not exist. He should not go there. If he collapses the conspiracy then there is just him.

It's just me writing. How many did you want?
 
Are you a lawyer then? Are you claiming expertise on this? I am not a nursery school teacher, btw.

I'm not a lawyer and I didn't think you are a nursery school teacher. Never said that.

But I am more used to Italian lawyers/trials than you, and I immediately spot the thing anyway. If you want to question Italian lawyers on these topics: "Popper" on PMF is a lwayer, as well as "Cesare Beccaria" on TJMK while "Comissario Montalbano" is a judicial officer.
 
I'm not a lawyer and I didn't think you are a nursery school teacher. Never said that.

But I am more used to Italian lawyers/trials than you, and I immediately spot the thing anyway. If you want to question Italian lawyers on these topics: "Popper" on PMF is a lwayer, as well as "Cesare Beccaria" on TJMK while "Comissario Montalbano" is a judicial officer.

LOL. Seriously? You want me to ask PMF and TJMK posters if your latest conspiracy theory is for real?
 
It's ok. They are lying public figures.

Stefanoni is a molecular biologist and a witness, not a public figure.
You don't have a shread of evidence to allee she is lying; but moreover nothing justifies insults and slurs against anyone, name calling for the sake of it is indefensible (several posters like to indulge in this). The same goes for your numerous xenophobic attacks.
 
I don't think the JREF prohibits all puppets. Just the sock kind (and puppets of banned members).

So, if it's just you writing and you have no overlords dictating what you can write about, you should have no prior inhibitions getting in the way of exploring narratives of the crime that fit the evidence and show Raffaele and Amanda as guilty. If it's not overloards blocking such a response, it must have something to do with your inability to come up with such a scenario. We had no difficulty finding a lone wolf scenario that satisfies the evidentiary points without the involvement of A&R. Most of it was actually quite easy since the evidence leads the way.
 
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