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skyrider44 said:
Only if I were inclined to believe--as you apparently do--that conditions preceding the millennium have been fulfilled.
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Would you mind explaining what this is supposed to mean? Particularly with respect to providing, as you have been patiently asked to do, empirical, practical, objective evidence, attested to by neutral sources, for the anachronisms claimed by the BoM to have existed in the pre-Colombina Americas?
 
dafydd said:
God moved to America with the Pilgrim Fathers.
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It's funny that the holly land is conveniently the homeland of the prophet (excluding exodus of course which most scholars don't believe happened.) The Jewish holy land was in truth where the Jews lived. Later when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem the rock of the dome became a holy place but Mecca was still holier.

Psychologists explain it simply as the brain's means of making sense of the world. To do that the brain creates a narrative, namely our life's story. The brain places us in the center of that story and we become the center of our universe. We are the protagonists so obviously the most holy places are where WE are because WE are special. Not those other people. However, only supposed prophets get to set the flag and declare the truly holy places.
 
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halleyscomet said:
How does that have anything to do with the anachronisms in the BoM?
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He's hoping that something will be discovered that makes everything fall into place. It's like a woman coming home to find her husband humping his 26 year old secretary on the sofa, but refusing to conclude that he is unfaithful to her because there might be some evidence that will surface to clear him. Maybe she actually found her husband's evil twin, whom she never even knew existed until she walked in on him.
 
Foster Zygote said:
He's hoping that something will be discovered that makes everything fall into place. It's like a woman coming home to find her husband humping his 26 year old secretary on the sofa, but refusing to conclude that he is unfaithful to her because there might be some evidence that will surface to clear him. Maybe she actually found her husband's evil twin, whom she never even knew existed until she walked in on him.
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All he has to do is convince her he's a prophet and that god told him to screw young girls for the good of their soul.

Worked for Joe.
 
Foster Zygote said:
He's hoping that something will be discovered that makes everything fall into place. It's like a woman coming home to find her husband humping his 26 year old secretary on the sofa, but refusing to conclude that he is unfaithful to her because there might be some evidence that will surface to clear him. Maybe she actually found her husband's evil twin, whom she never even knew existed until she walked in on him.
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Oooohhh! Thanks for the translation!
 
Slowvehicle said:
Would you mind explaining what this is supposed to mean? Particularly with respect to providing, as you have been patiently asked to do, empirical, practical, objective evidence, attested to by neutral sources, for the anachronisms claimed by the BoM to have existed in the pre-Colombina Americas?
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You and others bash Christianity and Christians as if you're well-schooled in the faith. And here you are admitting that you don't understand a rudimentary belief Christians have about the advent of the millennium. I didn't expect you to accept that belief, but I did expect that you would at least be aware of it.

It appears that you have focused your understanding of Christianity and Mormonism in particular on everything and anything that is negative. In fact, your posts make that abundantly clear.
 
Foster Zygote said:
He's hoping that something will be discovered that makes everything fall into place. It's like a woman coming home to find her husband humping his 26 year old secretary on the sofa, but refusing to conclude that he is unfaithful to her because there might be some evidence that will surface to clear him. Maybe she actually found her husband's evil twin, whom she never even knew existed until she walked in on him.
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Your use of a lascivious example is acutely self-disclosing.
 
skyrider44 said:
You and others bash Christianity and Christians as if you're well-schooled in the faith. And here you are admitting that you don't understand a rudimentary belief Christians have about the advent of the millennium. I didn't expect you to accept that belief, but I did expect that you would at least be aware of it.

It appears that you have focused your understanding of Christianity and Mormonism in particular on everything and anything that is negative. In fact, your posts make that abundantly clear.
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I grew up Mormon, regularly attended Sunday school, graduated seminary, went on a mission and studied eschatology (end of times) as part of a course in theology at the University of Utah. I've no idea what you are talking about. It appears you are begging the question.

Only if I were inclined to believe--as you apparently do--that conditions preceding the millennium have been fulfilled.
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What does it mean for a condition to have been "fulfilled"? Are you talking about a prediction?
 
RandFan said:
What does it mean for a condition to have been "fulfilled"? Are you talking about a prediction?
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Are Mormons premillennialists?

Is he saying he'll address what's currently seen as problems with the BoM after the rapture?
 
tsig said:
All he has to do is convince her he's a prophet and that god told him to screw young girls for the good of their soul.

Worked for Joe.
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Worked for David Koresh and Michael Travesser, too. One of the surest signs that you're dealing with a cult is that the leader is helping himself to all the women he wants.

Steve S
 
skyrider44 said:
You and others bash Christianity and Christians as if you're well-schooled in the faith. And here you are admitting that you don't understand a rudimentary belief Christians have about the advent of the millennium. I didn't expect you to accept that belief, but I did expect that you would at least be aware of it.

It appears that you have focused your understanding of Christianity and Mormonism in particular on everything and anything that is negative. In fact, your posts make that abundantly clear.
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Alternatively, you could have explained what you meant instead of giving us a nice little rant.
 
kellyb said:
Are Mormons premillennialists?

Is he saying he'll address what's currently seen as problems with the BoM after the rapture?
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Like many Mormon concepts, it's a bit shaky. AIU, unlike tradititional premillennialists, Mormons believe that when Jesus returns everyone will go to Jackson Missouri (the garden of Eden). It is the Mormon version of Zionism. See this wiki discussion. Which conflicts with Utah being Zion and the gathering of the Saints in Utah. Which was later dissuaded. I'm not sure if there is an official eschatology. If there is it is not consistent with everything prophets have said in the past.
 
steve s said:
Worked for David Koresh and Michael Travesser, too. One of the surest signs that you're dealing with a cult is that the leader is helping himself to all the women he wants.

Steve S
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Let's not forget Jim Jones. Prophets having sex with multiple women is so important that god sent an angel with a flaming sword to force Smith to do it (that's what he told Emma). Kinda like when Marry had to come up with a story for why she was pregnant. Not sure Emma ever bought it.
 
RandFan said:
I grew up Mormon, regularly attended Sunday school, graduated seminary, went on a mission and studied eschatology (end of times) as part of a course in theology at the University of Utah. I've no idea what you are talking about.
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That's quite a confession.

Virtually every LDS boy and girl age 9 or 10 knows that the millennium will be preceded by radical changes in the earth and earth life in preparation for the Second Coming of the Savior. D&C 101:24 indicates that "every corruptible thing. . .shall be consumed." Many hereon will mock that passage, but the fact remains that they were ignorant of a basic LDS belief, all the while pretending to be well-informed--indeed, sterling critics--of Mormon doctrine.

Too, too funny.
 
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