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[kellyb]

How can you tell a revelation apart from a non-supernatural insight, or a delusion?

 

[John Jones]

I was an active member of the Anglican Church. We were married in the Anglican Church, my first child was a baby when the LDS Missionaries came to my door. My six children were raised LDS... three have served missions, four have married in the Temple, myself and my children have served the LDS Church as teachers, and my sons as Bishop and High Council. As Halley commented, this is posted earlier in this thread.

Scarey!

 

[Janadele]

How can you tell a revelation apart from a non-supernatural insight, or a delusion?

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The veil which cloaks our remembrances allows recognition of the truths we knew, and also understanding of Eternal Laws... IF we are receptive, these precious truths will be revealed to us from Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

 

[LashL]

Yet another batch of off-topic posts have been split over to this thread. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of the R&P sub-forum, I fear not, for my mod-stick and my plentiful sheaves of yellow cards comfort me. Verily, I say unto thee: stick to the topic instead of repeatedly derailing, lest the wrath of MOD come down upon thee. Failure to abide by this warning from on high will undoubtedly result in swift moves to AAH, the skies opening up and raining down a torrent of yellow cards across the vastness of the lands, along with smiting and even banishment from the garden. Thou hast been warned.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[Shalamar]

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The veil which cloaks our remembrances allows recognition of the truths we knew, and also understanding of Eternal Laws... IF we are receptive, these precious truths will be revealed to us from Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

I've received a revelation! I know it to be true from the burning in my breast. I am the next prophet, and to lead only the wise and knowledgeable to the truth. I am the one true prophet, and all others are false, and servants of satan.

I am also to receive a 10% tithe to spread the one true word to the masses. I will start writing a new holy book as soon as I find an impressive hat, and a stone.

 

[joobz]

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The veil which cloaks our remembrances allows recognition of the truths we knew, and also understanding of Eternal Laws... IF we are receptive, these precious truths will be revealed to us from Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

This sounds suspiciously like, "it's true if I want it to be true."
Indeed, 40years ago the lds felt it true that blacks were not worthy of the priesthood. Now, I am sure most lds would think such thoughts are abhorrent.

What is different? It seems that the lds isn't leading moral truth but rather following. Case in point, current lds standing about homosexuality.

 

[Janadele]

Despite the hype and misreporting, nothing has changed in Latter-day Saint doctrine regarding same sex attraction, nor will it. The recent announcement was to assure the family of a person who may be struggling with this trial, and the individual themselves, that help is available and providing they do not act on such thoughts they are still welcome within the Church. This has always been the official LDS position.

That the responsibility of the Priesthood was withheld from worthy males of black African descent for a short period of time, was for a purpose known only to the Lord. It was His decision and His alone and not for mere mortals to question... nor is it their business how the Lord directs His Church.

 

[Shalamar]

Despite the hype and misreporting, nothing has changed in Latter-day Saint doctrine regarding same sex attraction, nor will it. The recent announcement was to assure the family of a person who may be struggling with this trial, and the individual themselves, that help is available and providing they do not act on such thoughts they are still welcome within the Church. This has always been the official LDS position.

That the responsibility of the Priesthood was withheld from worthy males of black African descent for a short period of time, was for a purpose known only to the Lord. It was His decision and His alone and not for mere mortals to question... nor is it their business how the Lord directs His Church.

A shame that the LDS position on Same Sex Marriage, is being used by them to force others who aren't a part of the church to follow church doctrine.

Forcing people to be alone, and unhappy for their lives is evil. I hope more see past your bigoted religion, and leave it.

The revelation given to me by The Lord^tm says that he couldn't reall care who people marry, as long as they love each other. TO say otherwise is the work of evil and satin satan.

 

[kellyb]

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The veil which cloaks our remembrances allows recognition of the truths we knew, and also understanding of Eternal Laws... IF we are receptive, these precious truths will be revealed to us from Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Can you rephrase that? I'm guessing the veil you're talking about is a metaphorical one?

This is the question:

How can you tell a revelation apart from a non-supernatural insight, or a delusion?

Are you basically saying the Holy Spirit tells you what's a revelation and what's just a normal insight or a delusion?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Despite the hype and misreporting, nothing has changed in Latter-day Saint doctrine regarding same sex attraction, nor will it. The recent announcement was to assure the family of a person who may be struggling with this trial, and the individual themselves, that help is available and providing they do not act on such thoughts they are still welcome within the Church. This has always been the official LDS position.

That the responsibility of the Priesthood was withheld from worthy males of black African descent for a short period of time, was for a purpose known only to the Lord. It was His decision and His alone and not for mere mortals to question... nor is it their business how the Lord directs His Church.

Some years ago, someone might have said:

Despite the hype and misreporting, nothing has changed in Latter-day Saint doctrine regarding black Africans holding the priesthood, nor will it. This has always been the official LDS position.

That plural marriage was allowed by the LDS for a short period of time, was for a purpose known only to the Lord. It was His decision and His alone and not for mere mortals to question... nor is it their business how the Lord directs His Church.

 

[kellyb]

That the responsibility of the Priesthood was withheld from worthy males of black African descent for a short period of time, was for a purpose known only to the Lord. It was His decision and His alone and not for mere mortals to question... nor is it their business how the Lord directs His Church.

Does mormon theology consider black people "The seed of Cain"?

 

[Janadele]

Shalamar :
Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. We will always be the same gender, which will always be the gender of our Spirit and our Intelligence also. These eternal truths do not change.

Homosexual activity is against Eternal Law and the reasons for our mortal existence.

Being celibate does not mean being alone. Many who choose celibacy live happy worthwhile admirable lives, and will progress in the eternities according to their choices... as will we all.

 

[kellyb]

It was His decision and His alone and not for mere mortals to question... nor is it their business how the Lord directs His Church.

Well, that's awfully convenient for the bigots, ain't it?

How much atrocity in the world has been allowed and perpetuated because its "not our place" to question Authority, be it political, religious, or otherwise?

 

[Olowkow]

I don't think anyone has the right to tell a couple, gay or straight, what they can or cannot do in privacy, providing that no one is harmed. The prose of the Bible concerning sex is merely the babbling of clueless old men being hideously mean spirited.

 

[joobz]

Despite the hype and misreporting, nothing has changed in Latter-day Saint doctrine regarding same sex attraction, nor will it.

never say never. Religions rise and fall, and those that last tend to shift with(although very slowly, kicking and screaming) with the times.
Lds supported polygamy until it no longer was politically expedient. And then the lds adopted the more common morality.

That the responsibility of the Priesthood was withheld from worthy males of black African descent for a short period of time, was for a purpose known only to the Lord.

I would not call 100+ years a short period of time. Especially considering the Mormon church isn't even 200 years old.

It was His decision and His alone and not for mere mortals to question... nor is it their business how the Lord directs His Church.

you claimed in this thread to have presented arguments explaining my question. Now you say there is no answer. Do you not see how weak that is?
From my perspective, it seems the Mormon church merely was following behind the civil rights movement. If Mormonism had a direct line to god, wouldn't they have led the charge?

 

[Shalamar]

Shalamar :
Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. We will always be the same gender, which will always be the gender of our Spirit and our Intelligence also. These eternal truths do not change.

Homosexual activity is against Eternal Law and the reasons for our mortal existence.

Being celibate does not mean being alone. Many who choose celibacy live happy worthwhile admirable lives, and will progress in the eternities according to their choices... as will we all.

The revelation I have received says that god does not care whom adults marry, or engage in relations with, as long as they love each other. Or even just like each other a lot. To say otherwise is wrong, bigoted, and evil.

You don't want to go against god, do you?

 

[joobz]

Shalamar :


Homosexual activity is against Eternal Law and the reasons for our mortal existence.

If this is true, why then does homosexuality exist in the animal kingdom? Would god make the animals gay if it went against the eternal law?
To follow, why would god make people gay in the fist place?

This eternal law stuff doesn't seem very well thought out.

 

[Janadele]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

 

[Shalamar]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

Why would the LDS church harass homosexuals who are not even part of the church, denying, or even stripping them of the right to marry who they wish?

Why do you insist on harassing these people who want to lead loving lives, and form a family with someone of the same gender?

 

[kellyb]

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

Are you saying that gay people just being gay is an act of harassment aimed at heterosexuals?