JFK's assassination: your thoughts

[JayUtah]

We're saying the same thing. The maladjusted loser is the perfect profile for CIA operator because it is so easy to plausibly deny them afterwards. Exactly like what was done with Oswald. The reason deniers ignore the intelligent side of Oswald is because that side shows the true CIA operator he was.


Albert Schweitzer College is very important because it shows Oswald was advised to apply there by his CIA handlers because he would be given bona fides by this obscure institution without question that would be hard to trace. This CIA-connected college was kept obscure deliberately. It wasn't advertised and wasn't known. Therefore official story backers have a real problem explaining how Oswald knew about it. The answer is easy. His CIA handlers told him to apply.

Pure repetitious speculation, from beginning to end.

 

[BStrong]

Nonsense. The primary detractors of Garrison were other conspiracy theorists who flocked to his side and then became disillusioned when they realized he was a nut. If that wasn't enough then the pathetic attempt to convict Shaw showed the world that the Emperor had no clothes.

When NOLA people heard that Garrison had hooked up with Stone for the movie version of his fantasy, they shared a collective laugh.

The joke I heard about Garrison way back was a relative of the old saying "the DA can get the grand jury to indict a ham sandwich."

The Garrison version was that he'd try to indict the sandwich, eat it, and then wonder where it went.

Seriously, he was the perfect DA for NOLA at the point he was in office - his larger ambitions and interests made for a free city for the fun loving locals.

 

[JayUtah]

Jetblast:

Any chance you'll be offering up anything but speculation, assumption, unsupported assertion, and dismissive lip curls? No? Well, carry on then.

Porkins did it. No, really -- Google it.

 

[BStrong]

Pure repetitious speculation, from beginning to end.

That crafty LHO - cunningly sharp when he was operating for the CIA, but the only possible explanation for his knowledge of ASC was that he saw an "advertizment" or he was directed by the CIA.

Forget the fact that the one thing LHO was good at was reading.

Anybody else like the "all communists go to the meetings" assertion?

The commies told the investigators that!

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/archived/oswald.htm

"Oswald was not a "loner- in the conventional sense. Ever since he was handed a pamphlet about the Rosenberg prosecution at the age of 15, he had sought out affiliations with political organizations, front groups and foreign nations that opposed the policies of the U.S.

When he was 16. he wrote the Socialist Party "I am a Marxist and have been studying Socialist Principles for well over five years" and he requested information about joining their "Youth League-."

He also attempted to persuade a friend to join the youth auxiliary of the Communist Party. He subsequently made membership inquiries to such organizations as the Socialist Workers Party, the Socialist Labor Party, The Gus Hall-Benjamin Davis Defense Committee, the Daily Worker, The Fair Play for Cuba Committee and the Communist Party, USA— correspondence that brought him under surveillance by the FBI."

 

[dudalb]

Of all the JFK crap, it is the nonsense about how the shots were impossible with Oswald's rifle that annoys me the most.
The rifle's bad reputation is based on it;s performance in World War 2, and that was due to the standard issue Italian Army Rifle Round being underpowered and generally a crappy round. Why the Italian Army chose that round is a puzzle,the Carcano was capable of handling a much more powerful round with no problem. With better ammo, it was a perfectly effective rifle.
And the crap about not being able to get off the shots with a bolt action rifle...anybody who has actually fired a bolt action rifle knows what pure BS that is.
The worst example is what Stone did in "JFK".And what makes me mad is Stone is famaliar enough with firearms to know he was delibertely lying in that scene.

 

[Border Reiver]

We're saying the same thing. The maladjusted loser is the perfect profile for CIA operator because it is so easy to plausibly deny them afterwards. Exactly like what was done with Oswald. The reason deniers ignore the intelligent side of Oswald is because that side shows the true CIA operator he was.

Funny, I know CSIS agents and people who recruit for the military intelligence branch - they don't look for maladjusted types becasue they are unreliable. If you want an agent, you look for someone who can blend in and not stand out because that is what it takes to gather human intelligence.

Albert Schweitzer College is very important because it shows Oswald was advised to apply there by his CIA handlers because he would be given bona fides by this obscure institution without question that would be hard to trace. This CIA-connected college was kept obscure deliberately. It wasn't advertised and wasn't known. Therefore official story backers have a real problem explaining how Oswald knew about it. The answer is easy. His CIA handlers told him to apply.

Oswald is supposed to have applied to the College in 1959 - 6 years before Dr. Schwietzer died. I find no evidence that any institution of that name was in existence prior to 1985 when the Albert Schwietzer Institute opened at a couple of universities in the US.

 

[JayUtah]

And the crap about not being able to get off the shots with a bolt action rifle...anybody who has actually fired a bolt action rifle knows what pure BS that is.

*raises hand*

It simply is not that hard a shot. As we've belabored, the distances in Dealey Plaza are actually smaller in person than the impression one gets from photos and television.

Further, anyone who has ever tried to fire a rifle at a moving target would know that the Grassy Knoll is pretty much the stupidest place to set up a sniper nest for a motorcade. Seriously, if you're ever in Dallas, make a morning out of it and go visit the Plaza. You can dry-fire your finger-rifles from all over the place at passing cars and realize that the depository building was the place. And also there are some awesome barbecue places in old Dallas, so it's not a completely wasted trip.

 

[BStrong]

Of all the JFK crap, it is the nonsense about how the shots were impossible with Oswald's rifle that annoys me the most.
The rifle's bad reputation is based on it;s performance in World War 2, and that was due to the standard issue Italian Army Rifle Round being underpowered and generally a crappy round. Why the Italian Army chose that round is a puzzle,the Carcano was capable of handling a much more powerful round with no problem. With better ammo, it was a perfectly effective rifle.
And the crap about not being able to get off the shots with a bolt action rifle...anybody who has actually fired a bolt action rifle knows what pure BS that is.
The worst example is what Stone did in "JFK".And what makes me mad is Stone is famaliar enough with firearms to know he was delibertely lying in that scene.

You're right on point with the misunderstanding/misrepresentations of the shooting and the rifle involved, but I must take issue with the description of the 6.5 x 52 as a "crappy" round.

The Italians actually knew what they were doing wrt the caliber and intended use of their carbine - Alpni troops (as the name suggests) are mountain troopers, and the first requirement of the gear is that it must be light weght.

The caliber of the weapons carried is important as well. The cartridge should be as flat-shooting as possible and also carry as much energy dowrange as possible. A round with high sectional density like the 6.5 class of projectiles is an ideal choice.

 

[Jetblast]

He also attempted to persuade a friend to join the youth auxiliary of the Communist Party. He subsequently made membership inquiries to such organizations as the Socialist Workers Party, the Socialist Labor Party, The Gus Hall-Benjamin Davis Defense Committee, the Daily Worker, The Fair Play for Cuba Committee and the Communist Party, USA— correspondence that brought him under surveillance by the FBI."[/I][/B]

All as part of his agent provocateur work for the government.


Banister: "Don't worry, he's one of ours."


Oswald was seen with Shaw and Ferrie in Clinton, Louisiana.

 

[BStrong]

All as part of his agent provocateur work for the government.

Banister: "Don't worry, he's one of ours."


Oswald was seen with Shaw and Ferrie in Clinton, Louisiana.

Yeah, he was a red diaper G man.

Oswald was a kid when he began his involvement in movements searching for an identity.

 

[Hans]

*raises hand*

It simply is not that hard a shot. As we've belabored, the distances in Dealey Plaza are actually smaller in person than the impression one gets from photos and television.

Further, anyone who has ever tried to fire a rifle at a moving target would know that the Grassy Knoll is pretty much the stupidest place to set up a sniper nest for a motorcade. Seriously, if you're ever in Dallas, make a morning out of it and go visit the Plaza. You can dry-fire your finger-rifles from all over the place at passing cars and realize that the depository building was the place. And also there are some awesome barbecue places in old Dallas, so it's not a completely wasted trip.

Agreed I have a twin of LHO's rifle and the bolt is easy to work and despite the length of the barrel is easy to aim.

 

[Jetblast]

I've tried to find a link to Cpt. Scott and his Magnificent Plastic, but came up -0-. Linky?

I've already posted in detail about how the ME was horribly wrong in his "it could only be plastic" **** up, but I'd love to see some factual discussion or examination of the evidence if such exists.

Oswald's fellow Marines said he was the only one allowed across the bridge into the forbidden section of the city where the KGB prostitutes were located. Pretty good for a lone nut loser.

The VietNamese medical examiner was in a war zone and familiar with explosives injuries. So was Scott. The medical examiner said the type of intense decapitating and dismembering injuries without shrapnel was classic of plastique. Of the two, an internet disinformationist and seasoned war zone medical examiner, I'll take the word of the latter.

Scott knew what the deal was. He said it was CIA. You won't find anything about it because CIA scrubs Google.


You dodged the context of CIA trying to set-up Diem, again, in order to divide the Buddhists against him. CIA assassinated Diem shortly before they assassinated Kennedy.

 

[Jetblast]

Yeah, he was a red diaper G man.

Oswald was a kid when he began his involvement in movements searching for an identity.

He modeled himself after Herbert Philbrick another government agent pretending to be a communist.

Oswald's brother said Lee used to watch the show 'I Led Three Lives' based on Philbrick.

 

[BStrong]

Oswald's fellow Marines said he was the only one allowed across the bridge into the forbidden section of the city where the KGB prostitutes were located. Pretty good for a lone nut loser.

The VietNamese medical examiner was in a war zone and familiar with explosives injuries. So was Scott. The medical examiner said the type of intense decapitating and dismembering injuries without shrapnel was classic of plastique. Of the two, an internet disinformationist and seasoned war zone medical examiner, I'll take the word of the latter.

Scott knew what the deal was. He said it was CIA. You won't find anything about it because CIA scrubs Google.

You dodged the context of CIA trying to set-up Diem, again, in order to divide the Buddhists against him. CIA assassinated Diem shortly before they assassinated Kennedy.

Actually, the habit of regularly going to the whorehouse is pretty much classic loser behavior.

I'm just an old retired 89D EOD man, what could I possibly know first hand about explosive material and explosive devices?

BTW, any linky (I can always hope) detailing this "seasoned war zone medical examiner?" Because if he had a degree, the institution should be sued. Again, no ME can conclude from simple examination of overpressure injuries the type or quantity of explosive involved - I'll keep repeating it as long as you wish to assert otherwise, but I'm the one in this discussion that actually knows what he's talking about.

There's only one artful dodger in this thread, and it's the man with no links.

 

[BStrong]

He modeled himself after Herbert Philbrick another government agent pretending to be a communist.

Oswald's brother said Lee used to watch the show 'I Led Three Lives' based on Philbrick.

So LHO was engaging in a fanatsy of intrigue and self importance from an early age?

Might explain some of his adult behavior...

 

[BStrong]

All as part of his agent provocateur work for the government.


Banister: "Don't worry, he's one of ours."


Oswald was seen with Shaw and Ferrie in Clinton, Louisiana.

I missed that first time through - you are seriously citing the voter registration story as fact?

 

[Robrob]

Oswald's fellow Marines said he was the only one allowed across the bridge into the forbidden section of the city where the KGB prostitutes were located. Pretty good for a lone nut loser.

Myth.

The VietNamese medical examiner was in a war zone and familiar with explosives injuries. So was Scott. The medical examiner said the type of intense decapitating and dismembering injuries without shrapnel was classic of plastique.

Complete fantasy. Do you even know what "plastique" is in the first place or are you just using it as a magic buzz word (e.g. nano-thermite)?

Scott knew what the deal was. He said it was CIA. You won't find anything about it because CIA scrubs Google.

How convenient for your argument. Any luck in documenting your magical CPT Scott actually existed? Full name, unit of assignment, a photo, anything at all?

The maladjusted loser is the perfect profile for CIA operator because it is so easy to plausibly deny them afterwards.

Absolutely wrong. Please feel free to provide evidence supporting your claim.

Albert Schweitzer College is very important because it shows Oswald was advised to apply there by his CIA handlers because he would be given bona fides by this obscure institution without question that would be hard to trace. This CIA-connected college was kept obscure deliberately. It wasn't advertised and wasn't known. Therefore official story backers have a real problem explaining how Oswald knew about it. The answer is easy. His CIA handlers told him to apply.

Complete supposition based on assumption of fact with zero evidence.

Oswald's military records show he was treated for a sexually transmitted disease. This was from his CIA undercover work out of the Queen Bee Bar.

Which you know, how?

The US military advisor, Captain Scott, admitted the explosives used in the Hue radio station bombing of the Buddhists was CIA plastique.

The never actually identified "CPT Scott?"

BStrong's very weak McAdams used dish-water isn't anything close to the truths I am relating as you can see in his evasive, back-pedaling, weak responses.

What "truths" have you been relating? All I've seen so far has been unfounded allegations of fact without a shred of evidence in support.

 

[beachnut]

oops, not the CIA again.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

oops, not the CIA again.

I know, right? The most convoluted plot possible, with secret universities, and trainings, and overseas trips, and rendezvous too numerous to track, along with planted evidence, and faked photos, and the Professor and Maryanne.

Or...

How about just spike the prez's daily cocktail o' pills, or have a couple roughnecks push him over the railing of the Truman Balcony? Not assassinatey enough?

 

[Hans]

The true CT must connect all the dots and a multitude of dots is a good thingy....