On Consciousness

[Max Photon]

Maxematics

Personally, I am more inclined to see YaleL's monordinate system number line's fixed vs. infinite orthogonal parts as having a lot of the look and feel of a curious kind of dual aspect or neutral monism akin to Thomas Nagel's exploration of beyond reductionism consciousness. But that said, making a distinction between dual aspect and duality may be as useless as seeking to make a distinction like whether mathematics are discovered or invented. Or, I suppose, whether mathematical inventions lead to mathematical discoveries and/or vice versa.

Discovered or invented?

Invented or discovered?

Why not both!


Pattern emerges from opposing forces, or processes.

Processes that endure in time are cyclical.

Circles over time are spirals.

Pattern emerges from opposing spirals.


Mathematics is the pattern that emerges over time as the human body/mind interfaces with physical reality.

Mathematics is both invented and discovered.

At various times, mathematics inspires physics.

At other times, physics inspires mathematics.


BTW, the first chapter of Mathematics: Its Content, Method, and Meaning, covers this topic beautifully! A must read!!

 

[eijah]

Discovered or invented?

Invented or discovered?

Why not both!


Pattern emerges from opposing forces, or processes.

Processes that endure in time are cyclical.

Circles over time are spirals.

Pattern emerges from opposing spirals.


Mathematics is the pattern that emerges over time as the human body/mind interfaces with physical reality.

Mathematics is both invented and discovered.

At various times, mathematics inspires physics.

At other times, physics inspires mathematics.


BTW, the first chapter of Mathematics: Its Content, Method, and Meaning, covers this topic beautifully! A must read!!

Hi Max, and much thanks. Will definitely check out the book.

So how about now taking a quick look at the monordinate system number line referred to in my OP, which Yalel (not likely for the first time in history) seems to me to have perhaps also invented, and then letting me know what you discover from it and its associated "two-rulers" unit square monad! -)

 

[Mr. Scott]

Hi Max, and much thanks. Will definitely check out the book.

So how about now taking a quick look at the monordinate system number line referred to in my OP, which Yalel (not likely for the first time in history) seems to me to have perhaps also invented, and then letting me know what you discover from it and its associated "two-rulers" unit square monad! -)

I don't see, yet, how monordinate system number line relates to consciousness.

 

[eijah]

I don't see, yet, how monordinate system number line relates to consciousness.

Fair question, and please note that this is just my conjectures...

It seems to me that YaleL's monordinate system number line may be useful as a method of portraying both partial and multiple self-referencing measurements of percepts, e.g., from 0X to 1X and from 1X to large multiples of X, where X could be units in feet of feet or units of lbs in lbs or or units of pain in pain or or units of laughter in laughter or whatever. And his second diagram, a pair of percept rulers (when placed orthogonally) might be useful as a means of comparing and contrasting aspects and degrees and levels of pairs of perceptions, or the exchange of a state X for a state Y, or whatever. All of which seem to me to be in the realm of some kind "consciousness".

Do you (on some 0X t0 1X scale, where X is "complete awareness") sense at all the slippery notion that I am alas quite crudely trying to articulate using his two diagrams?

Sorry if I am doing so too poorly. :-( But I do think there are one or two ponies in his diagrams worth digging out of what is hard to cognitively fathom, let alone cognitively build upon.

 

[annnnoid]

con...jec...ture

 

[eijah]

con...jec...ture

Not sure what you mean. In any case, I have at least two of them.
That said, I have privately received some interestiing interpretations from folks with regards one or another of the two digrams. The latest being a comment from someone who said that the first diagram reminds her of the Lorentz Transform. The other that the second diagram reminds him of symmetry-breaking. I do not have enough real or imagined expertise to do anything other than pass those comments along.