The Electric Comet theory

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I think you made an even bolder claim, Haig, but I can't find it just now. Something to the effect of "if the Sun is not powered primarily by external electric currents, then the electric comet theory is dead".

Never mind; let's see if Haig can identify who wrote this (I'll provide the source later):
IMO the weakest area of currently favored EU/PC paradigm however is that the EU/PC community seems to be strongly emotionally attached to an *externally* powered solar model, and it therefore ultimately fails to provide a defined 'power source' for the universe. I fail to understand that belief, particularly now that neutrino oscillations have been observed in many experiments. The sun does emit 'the right number' of neutrinos to be internally powered, even if they are not all electron neutrinos. While an externally powered Juergen's solar model made some sense during the "neutrino deficit days", that's certainly less true today IMO.

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I do happen to think that Brigman's criticism of an externally powered sun is in fact a valid criticism. The amount of current that would be required to flow into the sun would staggering.
The author of the words I quoted is none other than Michael Mozina. :jaw-dropp

I just checked; using Google (Advanced Search), you can easily find the source (along with this thread).

You're very strong, robust even, in your "suggestions" Haig, suggestions that JREF readers take the time and trouble to read (or view, as the case may be) the links you so frequently post. How do you view the suggestion that you put your money where your mouth is (so to speak), and read the contents of links others provide, in posts directly responding to yours?
 
Gees Ben, the FACTS in that video can all be independently checked from sources you would approve of and they are NOT made up by the EU crowd. They just string all these events together.

Have you heard the claim that comets can trigger CME's ? Here's a recent vid of an electric comet doing just that:-
SUNDIVING COMET & CME August 20, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr2v9aoWy3I

Why does the CME happen before the comet reaches the Sun?
 
Just to emphasize the reality, Haig

The Electric Comet theory, as shown in great detail in the video, successfully explained and predicted (ahem, before the event) comet behaviour.
That video and the thunderbolt web site lies about making confirmed predictions: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions.

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wtt2EUToo is by far the best explanation we have to-date imo.
Your opinion must be based on some amazing ignorance, Haig :eek:!
The video's authors cannot even explain the observed average density of comets (~0.6 g/cc), the observed average density of asteroids (~3.0g/cc), or why they are different.

Real actual science explains the density and the majority of the features of comets using real actual physics and producing real actual numbers.

Crackpots like the thunderbolts crew hand wave about the work of real actual scientists, cannot explain much about comets and have only vague expectations (no numbers :eek:!).

And you will appreciate that there are people who can make up fantasies about anything!
 
Sounds interesting.

Please let us know what happens.
More reality for the readers of this thread (not you Haig since reality does not seem to be your concern :D!)

Guess how long it took for the thunderbolts crew to block any posting from me of the science about comets to their science fantasy YouTube video?
6 days!

Not much of a surprise since the thunderbolts group seem determined to wallow in a pit of delusion so deep that they cannot even acknowledge valid observations, e.g. from
Comets have measured densities that are much less than that of rocks (asteroids).
to
EC predicts that 100,000's of asteroids should be comets.

So Haig - I asked my good questions there and the thunderbolts crew put their hands over their ears and went lalalala - proud of their coherent scientific approach, Haig :rolleyes: ?
 
If you'd actually looked at a even a little of the video you'd realise the electric Sun is an intrinsic part of the presentation.
So, since "the electric Sun" is convincingly ruled out by a wide range of independent kinds of solid evidence, we do not need to spend much time on "The Electric Comet theory".

Care to give some papers where the Standard Model of Comets has predicted what facts and events surrounding active comets INSTEAD of being totally surprised by them then pushing out ad-hoc papers to try to explain things.
I have never understood this kind of reason, perhaps you'd like to expand on it some Haig?

Even if it's true that "some papers" (I think you meant the scientists who spend time researching comets) are "totally surprised" by "facts and events surrounding active comets" - they aren't (this is one of the EUers fave rhetorical devices, or 'lies' as RC calls them) - how can that be evidence for "The Electric Comet theory"? Isn't your logic here equivalent to "explanation A is incorrect, THEREFORE explanation B MUST be right"?

The Electric Comet theory, as shown in great detail in the video, successfully explained and predicted (ahem, before the event) comet behaviour.
As RC never tires in pointing out, there are no - zero, none, zip - objective, independently verifiable explanations and predictions published before the relevant "comet behaviour". Instead, there is revisionism (altering 'pre-event documents' to change their meaning ... after the event), hand-waving (vague, ambiguous statements that is anything but objective), inaccuracy (that's being polite, 'bald-faced lies' if you're not), and so on.

Most curious, for something which purports to be scientific, there's nothing quantitative.

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wtt2EUToo is by far the best explanation we have to-date imo.
I'm glad you are comfortable with you 'o'.

In terms of science - keep in mind which section of JREF this thread is in - would you care to say a few words on why you think it is "by far the best" scientific explanation?

Even just look at the long list of credits http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/08/05/electric-comet-credits/ and you may appreciate that this critical analysis of textbook theory can/should have a major impact on comet science.
Here's something I found curious: it looks like the people who put the video together did absolutely no independent research of their own! :jaw-dropp

OK, you can't really expect them to build, launch, and operate an independent space mission - to visit a comet up close and personal - or even to put a dedicated telescope into LEO. But it seems they made no ground-based observations; they did not build (or purchase, or ...) their own observatory, not even one a serious amateur astronomer might have.

True, they may have obtained a PC or two, and purchased some software for it ... but if so it was used for video editing, not developing models of a comet and its environment, or simulating chemical reactions in conditions they expect in comet comas, etc.

Sorry Haig, for this JREF member, your list is a damning indictment of these woosters, a textbook-perfect example of crackpot methods.
 
More reality for the readers of this thread (not you Haig since reality does not seem to be your concern :D!)

Guess how long it took for the thunderbolts crew to block any posting from me of the science about comets to their science fantasy YouTube video?
6 days!
Thanks RC.

Not much of a surprise since the thunderbolts group seem determined to wallow in a pit of delusion so deep that they cannot even acknowledge valid observations, e.g. from
Comets have measured densities that are much less than that of rocks (asteroids).
to
EC predicts that 100,000's of asteroids should be comets.
Their excuse for the latter was, what? The same 'special pleading' (as DD calls it) Haig engaged in (complex environment ... planetary magnetospheres ... and other handwaving ...)? Did they even hint that a quantitative analysis of predicted frequency (e.g. for a given class of orbit, x% of objects will appear as asteroids, y% as comets, and z% the model can't predict) *might* - one day - be possible? I got the impression that Haig - and the whole thunderdolts crew - regard the question itself as invalid.:eye-poppi

So Haig - I asked my good questions there and the thunderbolts crew put their hands over their ears and went lalalala - proud of their coherent scientific approach, Haig :rolleyes: ?
I think Haig's track record here in this section of JREF speaks for itself ... his approach seems to be anything but scientific (and that he dislikes being asked questions, and so would rather not engage in discussion than try to answer them).
 
Plus one for the electric comet model

I haven't plowed through this thread, but I am quite familiar with the electric comet model -- and the EU in general -- and I find the electric comet model to fit observation much better than xray-generating snow-cones.

Of course, being Maxwell C. Photon, I have a bit of a bias.
 
I haven't plowed through this thread, but
Pity; perhaps that's why, despite what you claim:
I am quite familiar with the electric comet model -- and the EU in general -- and I find the electric comet model to fit observation much better than xray-generating snow-cones.
With your deep experience, though despite your ignorance of what's written earlier in this thread, perhaps you'd like to share some of your 'finding'?

Numbers would be nice; for example, an order of magnitude estimate of the number of expected comets, given orbits etc, applied to the main asteroid belt.

Of course, being Maxwell C. Photon, I have a bit of a bias.
You may discover that members who post here also have a bit of a bias ... they tend to prefer hard, quantitative evidence over empty expressions of personal 'finding'. ;)
 
You may discover that members who post here also have a bit of a bias ... they tend to prefer hard, quantitative evidence over empty expressions of personal 'finding'. ;)

Oh, Max knows very well about demands for evidence. He's ignored those demands in the CT subforum for years.
 
I haven't plowed through this thread, but I am quite familiar with the electric comet model -- and the EU in general -- and I find the electric comet model to fit observation much better than xray-generating snow-cones.

Of course, being Maxwell C. Photon, I have a bit of a bias.

After a 5 year absence, I would have expected better than this. Should have stuck to 9/11 threads, eh?
 
No, you have to get off your perch all by yourself.

Please stay up on comet research. I am not going to spoon-feed you.

You've posted the information in other threads, but you get all uppity when asked to post it in the actual Electric Comet thread? What are you trying to hide?
 
No, you have to get off your perch all by yourself.

Please stay up on comet research. I am not going to spoon-feed you.

So you have no intention on defending your assertions? Ok. Then carry on playing pretend-scientist. Just don't expect me, nor anyone else, to take you seriously, especially given you don't take your own claims seriously enough to bother defending them. I'll just roll my eyes at you now and then, perhaps accompanied by the occasional head-pat, and save my limited attention span for those who are actually educated on this topic.
 
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