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Continuation Part 5: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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So, big deal ! I don't see anything wrong with her response. Are you implying that no one knew her throat was cut ? Was it too strong, should she have just said duh ?

What's your point ???

Guilters bring this up all the time as if it means something and I would just like to be clear as to where this is headed.
Thanks in advance !

"went to his house to watch movies and after to eat dinner and generally spend the evening and night indoors. we didnt go out. the next morning i woke up around 1030 and after grabbing my few things i left raffael's
appartment and walked the five minute walk back to my house to once
again take a shower"




 
"went to his house to watch movies and after to eat dinner and generally spend the evening and night indoors. we didnt go out. the next morning i woke up around 1030 and after grabbing my few things i left raffael's
appartment and walked the five minute walk back to my house to once
again take a shower"


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I'm left with this question. Do you have a point? You know it's much more interesting for the reader if you have a point.
 
I'm left with this question. Do you have a point? You know it's much more interesting for the reader if you have a point.

I might be wrong, but I believe the "point" our friend is trying to make is that (in his or her subjective - and just possibly confirmation-biased - opinion) this photo of Knox, taken mid-afternoon on the 2nd November 2007, is some sort of visual evidence that Knox had not taken the shower that she claims to have taken at the cottage earlier that morning. Ergo Knox is lying about having taken the shower. Ergo Knox was a participant in the murder of Meredith Kercher.

Objectively, I would argue that this photo (along with all the others taken of Knox that afternoon) shows absolutely no evidence to challenge or contradict (or, for that matter, to confirm) Knox's account of having showered in the cottage at around 10.45am that morning. I would also objectively argue that even for a freshly-showered young woman, the escalation of events between 11am and the time when the photos were taken (probably around 3-4pm) would be more than enough to explain a degree of perspiration and dishevelment.

I suspect that if I took a shower at 10.45am on a given day, but then engaged in an increasingly worried search for my friend and housemate over the following two hours, then was present at the discovery of her murdered body, then passed through the intense feelings of horror, fear and grief following the discovery, that I too might have sweated more than a little and become a touch dishevelled...
 
I might be wrong, but I believe the "point" our friend is trying to make is that (in his or her subjective - and just possibly confirmation-biased - opinion) this photo of Knox, taken mid-afternoon on the 2nd November 2007, is some sort of visual evidence that Knox had not taken the shower that she claims to have taken at the cottage earlier that morning. Ergo Knox is lying about having taken the shower. Ergo Knox was a participant in the murder of Meredith Kercher.

Objectively, I would argue that this photo (along with all the others taken of Knox that afternoon) shows absolutely no evidence to challenge or contradict (or, for that matter, to confirm) Knox's account of having showered in the cottage at around 10.45am that morning. I would also objectively argue that even for a freshly-showered young woman, the escalation of events between 11am and the time when the photos were taken (probably around 3-4pm) would be more than enough to explain a degree of perspiration and dishevelment.

I suspect that if I took a shower at 10.45am on a given day, but then engaged in an increasingly worried search for my friend and housemate over the following two hours, then was present at the discovery of her murdered body, then passed through the intense feelings of horror, fear and grief following the discovery, that I too might have sweated more than a little and become a touch dishevelled...

Really?? You think that was her point? Amanda doesn't look dirty to me. She doesn't look like she needs a shower. But it wouldn't surprise me that Amanda might want one. Is that your point Cuki? That Amanda looks "dirty"? In desperate need of a shower??

If that was her point LJ, it was lost on me. This seems to be a big problem for guilters, they see things that only they see. Instead of evidence, they see delusions, while real to them, the rest of world are going "huh"?
 
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Hmm...It almost looks as if she is wiping something from her eye...nah, couldn't be.

The point really is this....

.... if that one had run on a three-second continual loop, rather than the comfort-kiss, they've have never been arrested.

Although I'm sure Dr. Mignini would have given it the old college try.
 
The point really is this....

.... if that one had run on a three-second continual loop, rather than the comfort-kiss, they've have never been arrested.

Although I'm sure Dr. Mignini would have given it the old college try.

Maybe. Looking guilty isn't a good thing. Acting guilty isn't a good thing. Even the kids in their books and interviews acknowledge that.

I think for those that seek justice that the concentration should be on what to do now. The discussions about kissing, bleach smell and most of what the PGP discuss are just diversions. They seem to feel that the appeal isn't a trial but rather just a pregame for the celebration.

Even the new name for their schadenfreude site is telling in itself. Put Meredith First (PMF) NOT Put Justice First.

For the same reason that they spend all their posts on issue that are trivial to the case for justice, we should spend ours on significant issues that should be exposed during the appeal.
 
Maybe. Looking guilty isn't a good thing. Acting guilty isn't a good thing. Even the kids in their books and interviews acknowledge that.

I think for those that seek justice that the concentration should be on what to do now. The discussions about kissing, bleach smell and most of what the PGP discuss are just diversions. They seem to feel that the appeal isn't a trial but rather just a pregame for the celebration.

Even the new name for their schadenfreude site is telling in itself. Put Meredith First (PMF) NOT Put Justice First.
For the same reason that they spend all their posts on issue that are trivial to the case for justice, we should spend ours on significant issues that should be exposed during the appeal.
Like them I see no distinction between those two things.

But that one of the PMF's continues to post about an event that happened almost a year ago, which was arguably inflated as an event by one of the webmasters of one of those sites.... I mean, he didn't create any of the original drama, but he most certainly inserted himself into it.

My question is.... what's any of it got to do with what's going to be happening in Florence?
 
Maybe. Looking guilty isn't a good thing. Acting guilty isn't a good thing. Even the kids in their books and interviews acknowledge that.

I think for those that seek justice that the concentration should be on what to do now. The discussions about kissing, bleach smell and most of what the PGP discuss are just diversions. They seem to feel that the appeal isn't a trial but rather just a pregame for the celebration.

Even the new name for their schadenfreude site is telling in itself. Put Meredith First (PMF) NOT Put Justice First.

For the same reason that they spend all their posts on issue that are trivial to the case for justice, we should spend ours on significant issues that should be exposed during the appeal.

This is one of those situations, where little moments are taken out of context. It reminds me of political campaigns where they take countless pictures of their opponents and then run a negative ad with the worst picture. As if that single image is representative of who they are. I think a while back someone posted a picture of Filoemna..(might have been Laura) outside the cottage with her hands on the ass of her boyfriend. Is that guilty behavior? No, but I'm sure if we took tiny slices of anybody there that day, we could paint a negative picture.
 
Rumors and gossip for evidence

Thasts ok ,having spent my fair share of time coaching little league baseball i've ran across kids like him who seem to have a hard time expressing themselves.Takes a lil effort to get it out of them.

If you think about it,since theres no actual evidence. PGP side has to use character references from the British girls who clearly are Jealous of Amandas looks as well as her freindship with Merideth.
They watch her like a hawk.
She shows sadness in that picture but what do they see.... A dirty ,unclean girl.
She breaks down and cries at the cottage and they say it's from guilt.
She says she (MK)blead to death and she's unsympathetic and never cried.
This is exactly why she doesnt want to speak out about it. You only hear what you want too. Ignoring all evidence that shows innocence. So stick with the gossip and keep your head in the sand as far as i'm concerned.
 
If Raffaele is found guilty does he have to sit in prison while the next appeal is requested of the ISC?
 
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Good picture. I presume this is after Raffaele gave Amanda those 3 little kisses on the lips that convinced the world how horny and depraved Raffaele and Amanda were.

Odd, because they don't look very turned on to me.
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Good picture. I presume this is after Raffaele gave Amanda those 3 little kisses on the lips that convinced the world how horny and depraved Raffaele and Amanda were.

Odd, because they don't look very turned on to me.
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I agree, they do not, what they do look like is two very tired people who were up all night.
 
I agree, they do not, what they do look like is two very tired people who were up all night.

Granting you your point, did you ever stay up all night having sex? One need not have participated in anything as sordid as a murder cover-up to appear "very tired" the next morning.
 
My question is.... what's any of it got to do with what's going to be happening in Florence?

Thats where my minds been too. Will they review the science again or will it be another chance to show the cartoon movie and Daily Mail evidence of the magical cleaning up of the DNA and Cartwheels of Guilt by Edgardo Giobbi?
 
I agree, they do not, what they do look like is two very tired people who were up all night.

How could they have stayed awake at the police station till 3am on Nov 3 if they woke up at 10am on Nov 1? Wouldn't they have been like this guy?

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