New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

Jetblast said:
FBI admitted the existence of the report in federal court. They just said they couldn't find it.

You're way out of touch on this.
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This is called hearsay. At least you will not be doing anything about your claims, they are not based on evidence. Is there a CT you don't buy?

Based on the same evidence you have, Meyer must be a liar about seeing 800. Did he make up his testimony to get his 15 minutes? Or is google evidence bad?

Did you read any of the witness statements? Can you see a missile from 15 miles? Do missiles make sonic booms?
 
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Jetblast said:
FBI admits them. I have met the requirements of reasonability.
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Nope. You have a whole string of unsubstantiated claims, one allegedly supporting the next. A house of cards may have many cards, but it's still a house of cards.

Your input is equal to tacit admission of guilt in relation.
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Why are you always in such a rush to classify your critics as somehow part of the conspiracy? Why are you so hasty to demand victory?
 
beachnut said:
This is called hearsay. At least you will not be doing anything about your claims, they are not based on evidence. Is there a CT you don't buy?
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Nope. Nice try. When FBI admits their existence that's legal proof. They are a bona fide legal entity. Your entries are obviously wishy washy reaching and excuse-making, and, while pretending logical scrutiny, are obviously self-exposingly ignorant.
 
Jetblast said:
FBI admits them. I have met the requirements of reasonability.


Your input is equal to tacit admission of guilt in relation.
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They admit "pellets" that could only come from US missiles?

Where?

Surely this is easy for you to cite (first hand please).

Any bets he can't?
 
JayUtah said:
There is no such thing as "incendiary shrapnel," and cerium and barium are not found in U.S. incendiary formulations.
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Sure just like when you flopped on your face when you claimed PETN wasn't a rocket propellant.
 
DGM said:
They admit "pellets" that could only come from US missiles?

Where?

Surely this is easy for you to cite (first hand please).

Any bets he can't?
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You are contriving words into a strawman.



You need to answer for the pellets and haven't. Your input is a tacit admission of guilt in form by all reasonable measures. We need to get this in front of a US jury.
 
Jetblast said:
Nope. Nice try. When FBI admits their existence that's legal proof. They are a bona fide legal entity. Your entries are obviously wishy washy reaching and excuse-making, and, while pretending logical scrutiny, are obviously self-exposingly ignorant.
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Wow, I see the logic now. wow, you got me, no need to prove you have proof, just color me stupid, and run over me with the bus.

Can't wait to see what newspaper teams with your overwhelming evidence to get the Pulitzer. Can't wait; keep us informed on your nomination package... wow
 
Jetblast said:
You are contriving words into a strawman.



You need to answer for the pellets and haven't. Your input is a tacit admission of guilt in form by all reasonable measures. We need to get this in front of a US jury.
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So, you can't show there were "pellets" of the type you claim.

Why am I not surprised. You have fail to show proof for anything you claim.

It would be interesting to see you in court. :rolleyes:
 
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JayUtah said:
So ... you're just trolling?
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Yeah, he is. I figured that out about the time he refused to answer any questions about the Long Island Coroner or the name of the sub captain. The list of topics he refuses to discuss is growing exponentially.
 
Jetblast said:
Sure just like when you flopped on your face when you claimed PETN wasn't a rocket propellant.
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"Flopped on my face?" I don't think you're really paying much attention here. Which missiles in use at the time had PETN in their propellants, as opposed to in their warheads? If there was PETN contamination on the recovered parts, where would it been most likely to have come from -- warheads or propellant grains?

When you're finished trying frantically to extract a victory out of your gaffe, please answer my challenge regarding the trace elements in the alleged pellets and where they are most likely to have come from.
 
thedopefishlives said:
Yeah, he is. I figured that out about the time he refused to answer any questions about the Long Island Coroner or the name of the sub captain. The list of topics he refuses to discuss is growing exponentially.
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Indeed, his penchant for pointlessly finding fault with his critics or pigeonholing them as government stooges seems to be aimed more at bullying rather than finding out the truth behind TWA 800. The incessant declarations of victory are sort of a dead giveaway.
 
BOEING RESPONDS TO FBI REPORT
7/10/02 | John E. Fiorentino

Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:42:12 AM by JohnFiorentino

*It is worthy to note that these "spheres" were recovered from the corpses of some TWA800 victims at autopsy) ...Authors note*

(FBI report from Brookhaven National Labs, 1997) (excerpts)

This item, one of 20 similar pieces.........was approx. 5mm in diameter and charcoal colored. The item was polished and then subjected to an energy dispersive spectrometer (EDS) analysis to determine its chemical composition.

Small charcoal colored particles (1 of -20 similar pieces) measuring ~5mm in diameter. On polishing the sample was orange colored and transparent.

SEM analysis indicated the material was multi-phase having a base matrix containing Al and Ti. The sample showed significant charging under the electron beam indicating that it is a very poor conductor - i.e.., not metallic. Three other distinct areas could be observed, two were similar to the matrix but contained significant amounts of Zr, the other was mostly Al with Ca, Ba and Ce.

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Below is a response from the Boeing Co. re: the "spheres" alluded to in the (FBI report from Brookhaven National Labs, 1997) and just recently declassified. (note one sentence in the below transmission was a little skewed, however, that is the way it was received)

Thanks for your inquiry John.

I am unaware of anything on a Boeing commercial airplane that would use those chemicals in a matrix (or other) form. We do not use Aluminium / Titanium matrix type metals since their differing thermal expansion rates will tend to tear a part fabricated from them apart when subjected to the rapid change in temperatures that jet aircraft encounter. We use a temperature differential of +180 degree F to -70 degrees F in 20 minutes as a design criteria. The +180 was a measured skin temperature of an airplane sitting in the sun in Saudi Arabia. Also, we try to limit the amount of Titanium we put into the airplanes because it costs so much. We use it where strength and fatigue requirements make Aluminium inappropriate.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,

(redacted) Associate Technical Fellow Service Engineering The Boeing Company




Jetblast:


What the deniers are suggesting here is that even though all this evidence exists showing the pellets were separated and analyzed, and even recognized by Boeing, they somehow slipped by FBI documentation even though FBI admitted the 36 page report in Sephton's suit.

If you look closely Boeing said they don't use the Aluminum/Titanium matrix material found in the pellets. So those posters who said they were common materials were completely wrong and failed to answer to the evidence.

Thanks! You guys are losing this badly.
 
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