New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

[tsig]

Your entries are self-defeating because the way airline crash forensics work is you have to explain where the pellets came from. As long as you haven't you're confirming the investigation was bogus at minimum.


That's actually a good question. Maybe one of the missiles blew-open an unexploded drone.

By my count we've got three missiles, a kamikaze Cessna and now a drone all converging on flight 800.

How many aircraft can occupy a single space?

 

[tsig]

Is this "jury" going to get to see your imaginary missile pellets as well?

They'll have to make do with that imaginary FBI report.


(It's printed on blank sheets of paper, just add belief to see it)

 

[Andy_Ross]

Are you saying now it was an Air Force missile, not a Navy one?

Well, a missile is a missile right? they are al lthe same, fire at the back thing to go bang at the front?

 

[catsmate]

Yes. All dutifully recorded by FBI in a 36 page report on the pellets.

Chris Emery says General Partin told him in person he designed the missiles that shot-down Flight 800.

You couldn't justify that vs the pellets and their exact shape and composition vs their being found inside the bodies of victims. Sure "common" pellets comprised of the exact metals in the exact proportions as US missile incendiary pellets. You know, those pellets are commonly found in crash victims. Sure.

What pellets are there? You have yet to show that they actually exist. And given by your continual evasion when confronted with a request for such evidence I think you know there's no evidence of them.

You're not following the arguments. Boeing said those metals were NOT found in Boeing construction so therefore they had to come from something else. Your side never explained where they came from.

Really?

This is particularly interesting beacuse I did some research (unlike you) and found that they are used in aviation, in structural members, fuselage skin and engine components.

Your entries are self-defeating because the way airline crash forensics work is you have to explain where the pellets came from. As long as you haven't you're confirming the investigation was bogus at minimum.

You still haven't shown that these magic pellets are anything other than the product of some lunatic conspiracy nut's imagination.

That's actually a good question. Maybe one of the missiles blew-open an unexploded drone.

And the conspiracy gets bigger.................

What's the count now? Three subs, twenty surface ships, a kamikaze Cessna, three missiles and a drone..........
ETA: Oops I forgot about the P-3.

 

[catsmate]

Are you saying now it was an Air Force missile, not a Navy one?

Oh good catch. I missed that. So now the USAF is involved, so did they have a plane or three in the area?

I'm with Beachnut: please show, with specific citation, so we can read for ourselves where Boeing has stated that a 747-100 did not have aluminum or titanium in it's construction.

I'd like to see this too. IIRC a 747 had about 60 tonnes of aluminium.
The engines would depend on the model and manufacturer but high stress parts (like the turbine blades) are usually titanium alloy. It's also used in structure parts of the airframe, about 15 tonnes IIRC.

ETA: According to this Boeing presentation the 747 airframe typically has 5-10% titanium by weight, depending on generation. So 8-16 tonnes titanium and ~125 tonnes aluminium. I was rather off earlier.

Well, a missile is a missile right? they are al lthe same, fire at the back thing to go bang at the front?

To the CTers yes, of course in the real world........
Hell the USAF and USN didn't even use the same version of supposedly standard missiles.

 

[fess]

Yes. All dutifully recorded by FBI in a 36 page report on the pellets.

Finally you answered one of my posts, but you answered it with a statement that offers no proof at all. Do you have a link, or a quote to support this evidence?

 

[fess]

Chris Emery says General Partin told him in person he designed the missiles that shot-down Flight 800.

Didn’t Emery use this same general in his investigation of the OKC bombing? If I remember, that investigation never cleared the starting blocks.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Where can we read this 36 page report or see any other info on the composition of these pellets?

 

[thedopefishlives]

Where can we read this 36 page report or see any other info on the composition of these pellets?

The same place we can read the Long Island Coroner's report and where the name of the nefarious sub captain who was relieved of duty can be found.

 

[kookbreaker]

This bit of cartoonery comes to mind:

Space Ghost: Greetings, welcome to the show.
Zorak: Hey!
Space Ghost: Tonight my guest is Corey Feldman.
Zorak: Hey! (beat) What's with the shark?
Space Ghost: That's been there... for over a year.
Zorak: Oh. Well, I don't remember it.
Space Ghost: Well, it was one year ago today I brought it in and said, "Here is the shark, I'll place it right here."
Moltar: (In the control room) What did I say?
Space Ghost: You said you were so excited about this merger that you couldn't speak.
Moltar: Uh, what merger?
Space Ghost: The merger between this talk show and that shark. I know I told you this.
Zorak: (Beat)
Moltar: (Beat)
Zorak: Well, I don't remember.
Space Ghost: Look, that is Ol' Kentucky Shark, and he has been there. Okay, Zorak and Moltar? Are we clear now?
Zorak: Tch, yeah.
(Space Ghost walks toward his desk)
Zorak: You don't want me to play you to your desk?
Space Ghost: (Stops walking) When have we ever done that? We've never done it that way! (Continues walking) And if you think you're gonna get sympathy from the shark, well then you won't. (Reaches his desk & sits down, glances toward Zorak) Stupid. (Looks at the camera) Now, let's welcome Corey Feldman.
(Monitor lowers with Willie Nelson)
Willie Nelson: Hello.
Space Ghost: Or Willie Nelson, it, it really doesn't matter.
Willie Nelson: Thank you. (smiles)
Space Ghost: Maybe it does matter. Eh, hello, Willie, do you know Ol' Kentucky Shark?
Willie Nelson: Gosh, I don't know.
Space Ghost: (Holds Ol' Kentucky up to monitor, who starts growling) Well, allow me! Ol' Kentucky Shark, this is Willie Nelson. Willie Nelson, Ol' Kentucky Shark.
Willie Nelson: My pleasure.
Space Ghost: (Drops Ol' Kentucky) See, Ol' Kentucky Shark is the brand new mascot of the failing liquor chain that bought us.
Zorak: Ohhhh, so now there's a liquor store involved...
Space Ghost: Look, in the heat of conversation, Zorak, I may have said certain things I don't believe to be true.
Zorak: So... you lied.

 

[JayUtah]

You couldn't justify that vs the pellets and their exact shape and composition vs their being found inside the bodies of victims. Sure "common" pellets comprised of the exact metals in the exact proportions as US missile incendiary pellets. You know, those pellets are commonly found in crash victims. Sure.

You're not following the arguments. Boeing said those metals were NOT found in Boeing construction so therefore they had to come from something else. Your side never explained where they came from.

You're not following the arguments. "Your side" never showed any such pellets existed. You point to a document that you purport describes them, but you can't produce the document and you can't prove it existed either.

You don't get to demand explanations for things that never existed or happened.

 

[JayUtah]

That's not really honest.

Of course it is. You're citing materials commonly used in the construction of commercial airframes. Cerium, for example, can appear in the paint as an oxide, but is also used in the product of certain aluminum alloy series -- typically the precipitation-hardened ones. Titanium is a major component of modern airframes and powerplants. Aerospace is the most avid user of exotic alloys of aluminum, the union of which contains all the trace elements you mentioned.

Cerium, on the other hand, does not commonly go into incendiary devices based on combustible metals such as aluminum.

All parties admitted they documented pellets that could not have come from a Boeing...

Unsubstantiated, and assuredly made-up nonsense. The notion that those elements would not be found in a commercial airframe is equivalent to saying there's no cellulose in firewood.

...that perfectly conformed to US warhead incendiary pellets.

Except, of course, for the parts that don't conform.

The only reason FBI "won" is because they got away with murder on a technicality by saying they lost the documents.

Rather that the requested documents did not exist. That is the nature of a FOIA request. You must know what you are looking for. If such a request turns up nothing, that's not evidence that it's being illegally withheld. You want to style a straightforward dismissal of a court case on insufficient grounds, as some sort of high-stakes corruption. It isn't.

It's not really difficult to defend pure government corruption. You have some powerful bullies on your side.

Meaningless rhetoric. We have facts on our side, which you lack. The handwaving about "government corruption" is an irrelevant appendage to your hypothesis, and does not make the facts go away.

 

[Jetblast]

They'll have to make do with that imaginary FBI report.


(It's printed on blank sheets of paper, just add belief to see it)

FBI admitted the existence of the report in federal court. They just said they couldn't find it.

You're way out of touch on this.

 

[Jetblast]

I'm with Beachnut: please show, with specific citation, so we can read for ourselves where Boeing has stated that a 747-100 did not have aluminum or titanium in it's construction.

You're not following the arguments. FBI sent the pellets to a lab and found they consisted "mostly of aluminum with traces of titanium, zirconium, cerium and barium". Those components in the proportions found are identical to US missile warhead incendiary shrapnel.

You can't even explain why pellets of any kind would be found in the victim's bodies from a fuel tank explosion. FBI never challenged any of this in Sephton vs FBI. They just said they lost the documents.

Your input shows a lack of understanding of the case.

 

[Bell]

Incendiary shrapnel

 

[Jetblast]

It is suspected Meyer lied, he could not have seen the 800 break up. You can't keep up with your own googled nonsense.

I'd like to see you say that to Meyer's face. We could video you and Meyer talking about your accusations and let the public see who has credibility. This needs to go in front of a jury.

 

[DGM]

You're not following the arguments. FBI sent the pellets to a lab and found they consisted "mostly of aluminum with traces of titanium, zirconium, cerium and barium". Those components in the proportions found are identical to US missile warhead incendiary shrapnel.

You can't even explain why pellets of any kind would be found in the victim's bodies from a fuel tank explosion. FBI never challenged any of this in Sephton vs FBI. They just said they lost the documents.

Your input shows a lack of understanding of the case.

You still haven't shown they were ever found.

You'll have to forgive us for not taking it on your word.

 

[JayUtah]

You're not following the arguments. FBI sent the pellets to a lab and found they consisted "mostly of aluminum with traces of titanium, zirconium, cerium and barium". Those components in the proportions found are identical to US missile warhead incendiary shrapnel.

There is no such thing as "incendiary shrapnel," and cerium and barium are not found in U.S. incendiary formulations.

The are, however, used in aerospace to construct commercial airframes.

You can't even explain why pellets of any kind would be found in the victim's bodies...

Unsubstantiated claim. No explanation necessary.

Your input shows a lack of understanding of the case.

Your input shows a colossal ignorance of aircraft construction and military munitions.

 

[Jetblast]

So that's a NO instead of a YES? You sure write funny.

ETA: I had shoulder surgery on the 19th and thought I was going to sit around the house for a month bored to death. Thanks for some comic relief JB.

I think you're in contempt of something FBI admits to.


Are you into 666?

 

[JayUtah]

I'd like to see you say that to Meyer's face.

Pointless bluster.

We could video you and Meyer talking about your accusations and let the public see who has credibility.

Begging the question.

This needs to go in front of a jury.

More pointless bluster. If you think a jury will side with you, hire a lawyer and file a case. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.