New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

AtomicDog said:
You mean that JB was SERIOUS about the Kamikaze Cessna?
I had just dismissed it as a leg pull.
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He was serious insomuch as it was a convenient dodge for the questions that were being posed at the time. Given that I'm about 99% sure he's just trolling us at this point, I don't know how serious you can consider any of his spiel.
 
Well not to defend JB, heaven forbid but Citation business jets a part of Cessena could theoritically match the speed of a 747.

Not being an aviation specialists perhaps those that are can speak to it could a business jet catch a 747?
 
Robrob said:
Please post the link where you've compared the two shapes or where you've compared the two metallic compositions.

:confused:
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Graeme Sephton vs FBI.


Boston Appeals Court Overrules Lower Court TWA 800 Decision

In light of an "eighteen-fold increase" in TWA 800 documents released by the FBI during settlement negotiations, the 1st circuit Appeals Court in Boston vacated a recent Springfield District Court ruling that favored the FBI. The case has been remanded back to the lower court to "resolve the FOIA issues raised by Sephton."

Graeme Sephton, an Engineer at U-Mass Amherst, filed the suit in 1998 as FOIA officer for Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization (FIRO). He requested from the FBI, data from forensic analyses of "foreign bodies" found during autopsy examinations of victims of the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800.

Some of the documents unearthed by Sephton describe pellets consistent with those used in missile warheads. No less than twenty such pellets were recovered during victim autopsy exams. The FBI report describing the pellets was classified "Secret" and dated after the FBI officially suspended its investigation into the crash.

FBI whistleblower Frederick Whitehurst submitted a supporting affidavit, which named two FBI laboratory databases where responsive records would most likely be stored. None of three affidavits submitted by the FBI describing its search method mention searching any FBI Laboratory database.

The court's opinion sent a clear signal to the district court when it sympathized with Sephton's charge that the FBI's search for records was inadequate. It highlighted the fact that the FBI "produced five hundred additional pages of documents responsive to Sephton's FOIA request, after the FBI's insistence that the twenty-eight pages of documents released previously were the product of an adequate search fully compliant with the requirements of the FOIA."

All quotations above were taken from the 10/24/03 Sephton v. FBI ruling of the Boston Appeals Court. The complete transcript can be found online:
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You forgot to include a link and to use quote tags. Jesus Christ, you are lazy. Which are your words, and which are the words that you are quoting? Are you trying to do parody of conspiracy theorists?
 
catsmate1 said:
Lie.
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You have very little credibility because Long Island Coroner Wetli said he removed small round pellets composed of those materials from some victims. FBI made a 36 page report on it and then lost it when sued by Sephton. That report admitted that the pellets could not have come from a 747. You still haven't accounted for that. You can't not account for it and you can't use word tricks to get out of it.

Your input seems to be sematic obfuscation rather than honest investigation of the truth.
 
carlitos said:
You forgot to include a link and to use quote tags. Jesus Christ, you are lazy. Which are your words, and which are the words that you are quoting? Are you trying to do parody of conspiracy theorists?
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I understand that you can't answer the obvious point.

I removed the link because I'm not sure of the link rules on this site.
 
Hans said:
Not being an aviation specialists perhaps those that are can speak to it could a business jet catch a 747?
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Easily. Most business jets have significantly higher ceilings and greater thrust-to-weight ratios than commercial airliners, hence perform better. However, they also cost zillions of dollars and are generally hard to disguise as something else to ATC.

The whole point of using a light Cessna is to make it relatively small, untraceable, and inexpensive.
 
Jetblast said:
You have very little credibility...
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According to whom? He has metric tons more credibility than you, according to me.

FBI made a 36 page report on it and then lost it when sued by Sephton.
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Or so it is alleged.

You still haven't accounted for that.
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Subversion of support.

You can't not account for it and you can't use word tricks to get out of it.
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Pointing out that there is no need for your critics to explain something you can't prove exists or happened is not a "word trick." It's just ordinary thinking.

Your input seems to be sematic obfuscation rather than honest investigation of the truth.
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No, it's just ordinary critical thinking.
 
Robrob said:
Please post the link where you've compared the two shapes or where you've compared the two metallic compositions.

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Or even shown that this amazing shrapnel actually exists. :rolleyes:
Plus, if this was (as JB claims) some sort of incendiary material, why was it recovered as intact pellets rather than as combusted byproducts, i.e. why didn't it burn? Rather than conveniently wait for for conspiracy nut to find it.

thedopefishlives said:
5. Even if, by some miraculous chance, an explosives-laden Cessna was seen as a credible threat to TWA800, firing a missile is major overkill to bring down a Cessna, especially a missile with the destructive capacity to bring down a 747. Some poor sod would be scrubbing toilets for a month for authorizing the launch of a high performance surface-to-air missile against a tiny civilian craft that could be shot out of the sky with a pea shooter.
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Plus, as JB claims the missile was fired from a sub, how did the sub find out about this supposed suicide attack and target the plane. Especially with missiles it didn't, and couldn't, carry anyway.

carlitos said:
You forgot to include a link and to use quote tags. Jesus Christ, you are lazy. Which are your words, and which are the words that you are quoting? Are you trying to do parody of conspiracy theorists?
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That story is over a decade old anyway.


So JB, still no evidence to support your grandiose claims I see. :rolleyes:
 
Jetblast said:
I understand that you can't answer the obvious point.
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You mean the point you haven't substantiated? Identifying your lack of substantiation is the answer.

I removed the link because I'm not sure of the link rules on this site.
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Is there some question whether links are allowed? Is there some question whether you are expected to provide substantiation for your absurd claims?
 
matt.tansy said:
Where did you pull that out of? How on Earth did you interpret what I wrote as referring to Meyer? Did the "s" at the end of "pilots" to indicate the plural of pilot confuse you? Or was it "would have seen if it were dark" and "directly in front of the aircraft" that confused you? Look at the image. The line that says "Az/Alt +70°48'38"..." That is the azimuth of Gamma Pegasi. That is the heading of TWA 800 when it exploded, i.e. that star was directly in front of TWA 800. If I was going to show anything about what Meyer saw I would have picked an azimuth that matched the bearing to TWA 800 as seen from Gabreski airport.
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were diverting to something that had nothing to do with anything.
 
Jetblast said:
You have very little credibility because Long Island Coroner Wetli said he removed small round pellets composed of those materials from some victims. FBI made a 36 page report on it and then lost it when sued by Sephton. That report admitted that the pellets could not have come from a 747. You still haven't accounted for that. You can't not account for it and you can't use word tricks to get out of it.

Your input seems to be sematic obfuscation rather than honest investigation of the truth.
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And despite your evasions everyone can see you've (again) failed to support your claims with evidence.
Pathetic.
 
Jetblast said:
I understand that you can't answer the obvious point.

I removed the link because I'm not sure of the link rules on this site.
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The link rules were in the Membership Agreement you okayed when you joined the site. I explicitly explained how to embed a youtube video earlier.

I have no idea what you mean by "obvious point," other than you are obviously trolling for laughs.
 
Jetblast said:
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were diverting to something that had nothing to do with anything.
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It is suspected Meyer lied, he could not have seen the 800 break up. You can't keep up with your own googled nonsense.

The court case was lost; now that was funny. You keep listing a court-case which has no evidence for your missile fantasy.

All you witnesses listed at your web site with the delusional conclusion saw 800 blow up due to a CWT explosion due to fuel. Did you read the ones that are far out, where do those fit in your fantasy?

Where is the AOA study? lol, the RADAR study with confirmation? You don't understand RADAR, how can you support the lies you posted?
 
Jetblast said:
Yes. All dutifully recorded by FBI in a 36 page report on the pellets.
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So that's a NO instead of a YES? You sure write funny.

ETA: I had shoulder surgery on the 19th and thought I was going to sit around the house for a month bored to death. Thanks for some comic relief JB. ;)
 
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DGM said:
I have to assume he is looking at metals that are used for thermite reaction in US missiles. These are used but, it doesn't really matter.

He has not shown any report and these metals are also very common.

It's like the "truthers" exclaiming there was iron at the World Trade site.
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You couldn't justify that vs the pellets and their exact shape and composition vs their being found inside the bodies of victims. Sure "common" pellets comprised of the exact metals in the exact proportions as US missile incendiary pellets. You know, those pellets are commonly found in crash victims. Sure.
 
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