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Camel fossils found in western Oklahoma date back millions of years, scientist says
An oil company drilling in far western Oklahoma has stumbled across a deposit of camel and horse fossils that are at least five million years old, possibly much older, scientists who've examined the remains say.
http://newsok.com/camel-fossils-fou...lions-of-years-scientist-says/article/3878489
Cherry picking science. Did the BOM take place millions of years ago?

In this very thread it's been conceded that horses lived on the American continent. They did not live at the purported time of the BOM.

The discovery is interesting but has nothing to do with the BOM.
 
Camel fossils found in western Oklahoma date back millions of years, scientist says
An oil company drilling in far western Oklahoma has stumbled across a deposit of camel and horse fossils that are at least five million years old, possibly much older, scientists who've examined the remains say.
http://newsok.com/camel-fossils-fou...lions-of-years-scientist-says/article/3878489

And this is relevant how? These species have been known about, and were extinct millions of years before the events in the Book of Mormon are said to take place.
 
I really don't get the need to try and separate Mormonism from Christianity. Why is it important? It has no bearing on whether the Book of Mormon is historical or not. So Mormonism is or isn't Christian. So what?

Christianity is 2000 years old and has encompassed some incredibly varied beliefs and practices. Even today, we have everything from the Amish to snake handlers to goat droppers. Why not Zoidberg Mormons?
 
Camel fossils found in western Oklahoma date back millions of years, scientist says
An oil company drilling in far western Oklahoma has stumbled across a deposit of camel and horse fossils that are at least five million years old, possibly much older, scientists who've examined the remains say.
http://newsok.com/camel-fossils-fou...lions-of-years-scientist-says/article/3878489

Janadele:

I am fairly certain you will not engage with this, but do you have any idea how long 5 million years is?

Equus (the modern horse) evolved in North America. The reason that the claims of horse culture in the BoM are (to be generous) egregious error, or (to be more accurate) outright invention is that Equus went extinct in the late Pleistocene, 10,000-12,500 years ago. By the time of the supposed "Jaderite" civilization, horses had been extinct for at least 7,500 years.

In other words, of course horse and camel fossils are found in the New World. However, those fossils date from long before the actual civilizations in the pre-Colombian Americas (I cannot recommend 1491, by Charles Mann, too strongly--you really should read it).

And, of course, 5-million-year-old horse and camel fossils, or 700,000-year-old Pzrewalski's horse fossils, offer no support to the unsupported claims of barley domestication, cattle domestication, or steelmaking technology...to say nothing of the absurd claims of the origins of humans living in the New World...

I still eagerly await your presentation of practical,empirical, physical evidence, attested to by neutral scholars.
 
Personally, the subject is of no interest to me. However, the headline caught my eye, and those posters who have demonstrated in this thread their obsession with this subject may find the article interesting.
 
Precisely nothing.

In your opinion.

If other xianists do not believe that LDS are, in fact, actual xianists, that is, at least, demonstrable evidence that the xianist provenance of LDS doctrines is not uncontested.

If, in fact, LDS are actually mainstream xianists, why do so many other xianists disavow them?
 
Personally, the subject is of no interest to me. However, the headline caught my eye, and those posters who have demonstrated in this thread their obsession with this subject may find the article interesting.

What would interest me would be practical, empirical, physical evidence, attested to by neutral scholars, of the existence of any of the anachronisms in the BoM, traceable to the time frame supposedly identified.

You have ignored that request, although you have tired to pawn off frauds, and untimely fossils, and sectarian speculation.

Any actual evidence?
 
Personally, the subject is of no interest to me. However, the headline caught my eye, and those posters who have demonstrated in this thread their obsession with this subject may find the article interesting.

People are obsessed with why Joseph Smith lied about so many things also. When will you be answering those questions which cause you discomfort even though they are of no interest to you?
 
Personally, the subject is of no interest to me. However, the headline caught my eye, and those posters who have demonstrated in this thread their obsession with this subject may find the article interesting.

Well, it is interesting, actually. However, I'm more interested in archaeology rather than paleontology*.

Has any archaeological dig of a pre-Contact site ever found a saddle**? Or a forge***? Or a writing system that was even vaguely like Hebrew****?

It's not just a matter of not finding a sword or a chariot or a horse in the record. These technologies leave footprints as well, both direct and indirect. Forges, corrals, stables, wheelwright shops, etc. etc. Paintings showing their use. Cultural memes, legends, even words and phrases.

And yet, when Cortés brought horses to Mexico, the people there had no idea what to make of them. They were a completely new concept; no legends, no myths, nothing. Why is that?


* Except when they cross paths. Paleoanthropology is cool as hell.


**The answer is no.
***Also no.
****Yes!







Just kidding. The answer is still no.
 
I accept the premise. They roughly follow the teachings of Christ.

But they don't adhere strictly to Christianity (few Christian churches come close).

I didn't say they did. And you admit (above) that "few Christian churches come close." So what is your point?

: Tell that to Romney. He won't drink Coke I'll bet even though that is not scripture.

You don't know if he drinks Coke or not. Much of what you write is speculative.

: But he and most wealthy Mormons store up treasures on Earth as much as they can.

". . .most wealthy Mormons": Source? You don't have one; thus your statement is simply more speculation.

: The nice thing about the Bible is that there is so much in there it can mean whatever you want. Mormons have an added out. They state that the Bible is the word of god so far as it is translated correctly. Translation = the Bible means what Mormons say it means.

I suggest you read "Unity and the King James Bible" by Ronan James Head in the Summer 2012 issue of Dialogue. This excerpt may be of interest:
". . .Joseph never designated the KJV as the 'official' LDS Bible. Indeed, recognition of its flaws led him to study the ancient languages, work on the Inspired Version, and seek out alternative translations such as the Luther Bible. Indeed, early Mormons often cited different translations of biblical texts. . . ." Head concludes, however, that the KJV, problems notwithstanding, represents an "enlightening token" of LDS "beliefs and practices." He adds that there is no indication the Church will move away from the KJV, the findings of contemporary researchers notwithstanding.
 
Utah LDS are free to purchase the Inspired Version of the Bible from Herald House if they feel it is so inspired.
 
Good question. I was hoping you could explain it.

That burden happens to be yours, inasmuch as you are on record as saying that Joseph Smith is the centerpiece of the LDS faith.

You admit that it's a good question, so let's have your answer.
 
Of course "many xianists disagree," dedicated as they are to promoting a "humanity destroying 'end of the world' event. . . . (
Wikipedia)

Point being, are you a member of a club if the other members deny that you are?

It would be interesting, if any LDS on the board would actually respond to questions (how are you coming with your list of practical, empirical, physical evidence, attested to by neutral scholars, for the anachronisms claimed by the BoM to have existed in the pre-Colombian americas, or all that annoying reality about the Egyptian funerary texts NOT being Abraham's autographic account of his "time in Egypt"?), to have someone explain (not just hand-wave away, but explain) the alterations in LDS doctrines over time...or how "as god was, man is, as god is, man will be" is "biblical" (or xianist), or how the whole baptizing the dead thing fits...

The fact remains, many xianists do not accept the LDS as xianist. Of course, many xianists do not accept catholics as xianists, either, or JW, or other flavours, so you are, at least, in good company.
 
That burden happens to be yours, inasmuch as you are on record as saying that Joseph Smith is the centerpiece of the LDS faith.

Just where did I do that?

You admit that it's a good question, so let's have your answer.

My answer would be very unflattering to the LDS Church. Perhaps you have a better one.
 
I don't see where Janadele is answering anything we are asking about the contradictions between Smith's story and the evidence. It leaves me asking, what is the point of her thread?
 
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