WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette

[Ivan Kminek]

...And yet one more remark for the Ryan's (or Harrit's?) FTIR spectrum, which is again here:

It seems to be quite obvious, why Ryan chose to present this spectrum taken on "singed-like" (dark?) side of the red layer of this chip: it somehow resembles included Gash' spectrum recorded on real sol-gel nanothermite.

The region above 2800 cm^-1 does not frequently say a lot, many materials/polymers which contain hydroxyls/are hygroscopic/contain water etc. have such FTIR bands there, the region below ca 1000 cm^-1 is unreadable, but still, in both spectra, they are two bands at similar positions: at ca 1300 cm^-1 and at ca 1600 cm^-1 (I am lazy to analyze it more precisely using some graphic program).

It is indeed the full right of any author to present any such a comparison as a kind of proof, and Jim Millette did not do anything else with his spectra of epoxy resin and red WTC chip - besides the fact that much more bands coincided in his comparison.

Comparison of just two bands does not really say a lot, and this is why I presented as some "funny illustration" above another comparison, namely with FTIR of soot, which works "as well as" comparison with superthermite)

As I wrote to Ziggi: "Based on this spectra, I do not insist that Ryan recorded soot, you should not insist that he recorded superthermite." And Ziggi basically agreed

(Gash himself in the relevant paper wrote: "the absorption at 1630 cm-' is likely due to the bending mode of water.... absorptions present from 1400-800 cm-' (including this one at ca 1300, I.K.) are probably due to ethanol (solvent used), residual propylene oxide, or side products of the ring opening of the propylene oxide)". )

 

[Ivan Kminek]

Ivan et al,
Here are some quotes from several recent emails of Ziggi (who always addresses me as "Mohr"):

You don´t think Dave´s new video is BS, do you????...
You see Mohr, I told you this would happen! Apparently there are so many different red chips that the FTIR is meaningless, according to Kminek! And you are still going to refuse us saying that Millette does not have the same chips as Harrit et al? But it is OK for you to use the same "different chips" argument????...
Dear Mohr, your concern for insults is charming, especially given the company you keep at your beloved JREF forum...
Millette is refusing to publish because he knows he has not got the right chips...
- Keep on the winning smile if you are going to take part in that, with your Bible in hand...
I am sorry for my anger towards you in the past, I simply thought you were willingly being a shill, shoveling ****. But I have heard from several people that either know you or know someone who knows you that you are simply deluded and that you honestly believe the official non-sense and the JREF crowd.
If none of this is enough to wake you up, you never will.... [I have apologized to people in the past for my mistakes, but never like this]

And my last email to him included this: Good luck in your research Ziggi. I just don't want to interact with someone as abusive as you. And BTW I've volunteered in prison with child molesters, bank robbers and mass murderers for 20 years so swear words don't bother me. You do bother me, because you are abusive.

His response: I just apologized for having been angry at you in the past in another letter, but you respond by describing me as worse than child molesters, and you say I am the abusive one?

Yes, I do say you are being abusive Ziggi. And THAT is why I say Good Bye now. And good luck in your research, I really do mean that.

Chris: Just forget Ziggi He looks quite desperate...

Perhaps the only important question in this rather silly "nanothermite debate" is:

Are we happy (well, am I happy) with the paint truth? I can easily answer: "Yes, I am quite happy with it for these two years, otherwise I would hardly spent so many hours in these discussions and with the search of needed data. It is even a source of some inner strength and optimism for me"

And... is Ziggi happy with his Nanothermite Truth:? Who knows, but I doubt...

 

[Miragememories]

"Ivan et al,
Here are some quotes from several recent emails of Ziggi (who always addresses me as "Mohr"):

"You don´t think Dave´s new video is BS, do you????...

You see Mohr, I told you this would happen!

Apparently there are so many different red chips that the FTIR is meaningless, according to Kminek!

And you are still going to refuse us saying that Millette does not have the same chips as Harrit et al?

But it is OK for you to use the same "different chips" argument????...

Dear Mohr, your concern for insults is charming, especially given the company you keep at your beloved JREF forum...

Millette is refusing to publish because he knows he has not got the right chips...

- Keep on the winning smile if you are going to take part in that, with your Bible in hand...

I am sorry for my anger towards you in the past, I simply thought you were willingly being a shill, shoveling ****. But I have heard from several people that either know you or know someone who knows you that you are simply deluded and that you honestly believe the official non-sense and the JREF crowd.

If none of this is enough to wake you up, you never will.... "

"[I have apologized to people in the past for my mistakes, but never like this]

And my last email to him included this: Good luck in your research Ziggi.

I just don't want to interact with someone as abusive as you.

And BTW I've volunteered in prison with child molesters, bank robbers and mass murderers for 20 years so swear words don't bother me.

You do bother me, because you are abusive.

"I just apologized for having been angry at you in the past in another letter, but you respond by describing me as worse than child molesters, and you say I am the abusive one?"

"Yes, I do say you are being abusive Ziggi. And THAT is why I say Good Bye now. And good luck in your research, I really do mean that."

Certainly Ziggi shows great frustration at your continued willingness to take counsel from people with no reputation at risk.

Dr. Millette is your only reputable counsel.

Unlike the chest-beating 'pseudo-experts' in JREF, Dr. Millette also shows enough self discipline to avoid abusive language.

Unfortunately for those seriously interested in Dr. Millette's work, heat testing, post ignition residue analysis, and FTIR findings, reveal that all the 9/11 WTC dust chips which Dr. Millette isolated were likely Tnemec steel primer paint.

A paint already accounted for in the 2009 Bentham paper.

Fortunately, Mark Basile's study should 'clear the air' regarding Dr. Millette's findings vs. the 2009 Bentham paper findings.

MM

 

[Spanx]

Certainly Ziggi shows great frustration at your continued willingness to take counsel from people with no reputation at risk.

Dr. Millette is your only reputable counsel.

Unlike the chest-beating 'pseudo-experts' in JREF, Dr. Millette also shows enough self discipline to avoid abusive language.

Unfortunately for those seriously interested in Dr. Millette's work, heat testing, post ignition residue analysis, and FTIR findings, reveal that all the 9/11 WTC dust chips which Dr. Millette isolated were likely Tnemec steel primer paint.

A paint already accounted for in the 2009 Bentham paper.

Fortunately, Mark Basile's study should 'clear the air' regarding Dr. Millette's findings vs. the 2009 Bentham paper findings.

MM

Are you not going to give your expert opinion on Ivan's experiment ? Or are you just going to sit there beating your chest ?

 

[LSSBB]

Certainly Ziggi shows great frustration at your continued willingness to take counsel from people with no reputation at risk.

Dr. Millette is your only reputable counsel.

Unlike the chest-beating 'pseudo-experts' in JREF, Dr. Millette also shows enough self discipline to avoid abusive language.

Unfortunately for those seriously interested in Dr. Millette's work, heat testing, post ignition residue analysis, and FTIR findings, reveal that all the 9/11 WTC dust chips which Dr. Millette isolated were likely Tnemec steel primer paint.

A paint already accounted for in the 2009 Bentham paper.

Fortunately, Mark Basile's study should 'clear the air' regarding Dr. Millette's findings vs. the 2009 Bentham paper findings.

MM

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ivan_Kminek/

 

[Sunstealer]

Unfortunately for those seriously interested in Dr. Millette's work, heat testing, post ignition residue analysis, and FTIR findings, reveal that all the 9/11 WTC dust chips which Dr. Millette isolated were likely Tnemec steel primer paint.
MM

Oh dear, completely and utterly wrong again MM. You never seem to understand or manage to learn do you?

Dr Millette positively identifies kaolin and epoxy in the red layer of his correctly isolated chips.

There is no kaolin or epoxy in Tnemec Red 99 primer paint. If you knew your stuff like we do then you would know this. Here's the spec for the 100th time:

whereas Laclade red joist primer paint does contain kaolin (kaolin is an aluminosilicate) and epoxy:

This is why you and other truthers are continually derided, chastised and laughed at. You never get anything right even after it's been painfully explained to you dozens of times.

 

[Robrob]

This:

Unfortunately for those seriously interested in Dr. Millette's work, heat testing, post ignition residue analysis, and FTIR findings, reveal that all the 9/11 WTC dust chips which Dr. Millette isolated were likely Tnemec steel primer paint.

Vs:

Oh dear, completely and utterly wrong again MM. You never seem to understand or manage to learn do you?

Dr Millette positively identifies kaolin and epoxy in the red layer of his correctly isolated chips.

There is no kaolin or epoxy in Tnemec Red 99 primer paint. If you knew your stuff like we do then you would know this. Here's the spec for the 100th time:

The two are mutually exclusive. One has to be false. Wonder if there's any chance the poster of the falsehood will actually address their falsehood or not?

 

[moorea34]

This:


Vs:


The two are mutually exclusive. One has to be false. Wonder if there's any chance the poster of the falsehood will actually address their falsehood or not?

After over 3500 posts, it's always the same
ignorance, dishonest and lies

 

[Miragememories]

"Oh dear, completely and utterly wrong again MM.

You never seem to understand or manage to learn do you?

Dr Millette positively identifies kaolin and epoxy in the red layer of his correctly isolated chips.

There is no kaolin or epoxy in Tnemec Red 99 primer paint. If you knew your stuff like we do then you would know this. Here's the spec for the 100th time:

Whereas LaClede red joist primer paint does contain kaolin (kaolin is an aluminosilicate) and epoxy:

This is why you and other truthers are continually derided, chastised and laughed at.

You never get anything right even after it's been painfully explained to you dozens of times."

Someone is completely and utterly wrong.

"Jim Millette specifically said to me, unequivocally, NO STRONTIUM CHROMATE.

It was clear to me that he looked and he did not find it.

I wouldn't bet my nuts on it being LaClede..."

MM

 

[Ivan Kminek]

MM:
In this respect, it is not so critically important whether the specific material (paint) of Bentham chips (a) to (d) (and corresponding Millette's chips) was unambiguously identified in every detail, including e.g. tiny amount of strontium chromate.

Those chips simply contained only one pigment as a source of Al and Si, therefore they cannot be Tnemec red primer. Millette thinks so (and he adds that the polymeric binder in these chips is not alkyd-based like in Tnemec, but epoxy-based), Harrit et al thinks so, most of truthers thinks so (although they do not agree that this pigment is kaolinite), as well as all debunkers here and everywhere, but still... you wrote: "Unfortunately for those seriously interested in Dr. Millette's work, heat testing, post ignition residue analysis, and FTIR findings, reveal that all the 9/11 WTC dust chips which Dr. Millette isolated were likely Tnemec steel primer paint."

So, are you trying to open a "new battle" against the whole world with this sentence, like in the case of your pretty confused claims about resistivity tests used for pre-selection of "right chips"?
Try to concentrate next time

 

[Miragememories]

"Dr Millette positively identifies kaolin and epoxy in the red layer of his correctly isolated chips.

There is no kaolin or epoxy in Tnemec Red 99 primer paint. If you knew your stuff like we do then you would know this.

Whereas LaClede red joist primer paint does contain kaolin (kaolin is an aluminosilicate) and epoxy:

This is why you and other truthers are continually derided, chastised and laughed at. You never get anything right even after it's been painfully explained to you dozens of times."

"Those chips simply contained kaolinite as only source of Al and Si (and as only white pigment detected), therefore they cannot be Tnemec red primer."

"Jim Millette specifically said to me, unequivocally, NO STRONTIUM CHROMATE.

It was clear to me that he looked and he did not find it.

I wouldn't bet my nuts on it being LaClede..."

NOT Tnemec and NOT LaClede primer paints.

Nor could Dr. Millette match his chip selects with 140 other paint configurations.

Dr. Harrit et al have actually made a finding and they agree, the chips they highlighted in the 2009 Bentham paper, are not composed of Tnemec or LaClede primer paint.

MM

 

[kid meatball]

Dr. Harrit et al have actually made a finding and they agree, the chips they highlighted in the 2009 Bentham paper, are not composed of Tnemec or LaClede primer paint.

MM

Must be thermite then.

 

[chrismohr]

Hey gang,

I asked this before and I'll ask again. Around 2011 or maybe 2012, Neils Harrit was quoted as saying something like, two years with no response from the scientific community to our thermite paper is somehow support for the paper's claims. Anyone have the quote? I am looking all over for it to include in a summary I am organizing. No luck yet.

 

[Ivan Kminek]

Chris: I somehow googled-out this sentence: "No such scientific rebuttal to the Harrit et al paper has yet appeared", with this link.

But for unknown reason, the sentence itself is not in the interview, I stay confused

 

[pgimeno]

Someone is completely and utterly wrong.



MM

Yep.

(emphasis in the original)

 

[pgimeno]

I've asked Ivan permission to host the images he uploaded so they can be hotlinked to my site so they're available to non-members too. Here they are. The first one (that he repeated in a later post):

The second one:

Hope that helps.

ETA: Permission is hereby granted to hotlink to them within this forum. I reserve the right to limit access if hotlinked from other sites.

 

[LSSBB]

NOT Tnemec and NOT LaClede primer paints.

Nor could Dr. Millette match his chip selects with 140 other paint configurations.

Dr. Harrit et al have actually made a finding and they agree, the chips they highlighted in the 2009 Bentham paper, are not composed of Tnemec or LaClede primer paint.

MM

Could not match, or has not matched, to a particular primer?

 

[chrismohr]

Chris: I somehow googled-out this sentence: "No such scientific rebuttal to the Harrit et al paper has yet appeared", with this link.

But for unknown reason, the sentence itself is not in the interview, I stay confused

Yeah I read that article in my search as well. I think the quote is somewhere on a JREF thread but I couldn't find it anywhere here either. Anyone know about the Harrit quote about how two years with no response is support for his thermite paper?

 

[Ivan Kminek]

Well, if this Harrit's sentence is so difficult to be found on the net, perhaps it is not ideal source of e.g. quotes for your video

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by Miragememories
NOT Tnemec and NOT LaClede primer paints.

Nor could Dr. Millette match his chip selects with 140 other paint configurations.

Dr. Harrit et al have actually made a finding and they agree, the chips they highlighted in the 2009 Bentham paper, are not composed of Tnemec or LaClede primer paint.

MM

Could not match, or has not matched, to a particular primer?

And it doesn't match any known formulation of thermite, what with all the Si in it. Which means it must be Top-Sekrit Super-Duper Thermite.