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New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

Kallstrom admitted in an interview with 'Accuracy In Media' Reed Irvine that the unidentified tracks caught on radar were naval vessels.


This wasn't answered.


Stalcup is currently suing:



Lawsuits filed for information on Flight 800 crash
Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:28 PM PDT Updated: Aug 19, 2013 1:28 PM PDT



BOSTON (AP) - A man who helped produce a documentary that questions the official cause of the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800 has filed federal lawsuits seeking more information from the military.

Thomas Stalcup says in two lawsuits filed in Boston last week that he received inadequate responses to Freedom of Information requests to the Missile Defense Agency and the Naval Special Warfare Command.
 
Go to the You-Tube video I linked and listen to Emery describe listening to US Air Force General Partin describe designing the missiles that took down Flight 800. It's at 7:45.

Of course we'll be corrected by the JREF committee on how a US Air Force general was a nut and right-winger etc.


Committee? No, just one person can do it.

Partin is the darling of the OKC conspiracy kooks but he has been thoroughly spanked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8SDRAod_5U
 
You need a better answer. There's science attached to this that would have condensed and cooled any alleged fuel vapors.


Yes there is science attached to it but "wind chill" ain't it. "Wind chill" applies to the exposed skin of a human.
 
No. He really doesn't. I don't think you realize just how ludicrous your claims sound to people who have actually worked on, built, or flown airplanes.



You need a better answer. You started to make an argument based on the science of heat transfer, but you stopped just short of demonstrating any competence in the science that would support your claim. In short, you're handwaving. Show us the results of a heat transfer computation that supports the claim you're making; don't just assume one would.

I would say the phrase "wind chill of 400 mph" demonstrate a complete lack of competence in the science of heat transfer.
 
Yes there is science attached to it but "wind chill" ain't it. "Wind chill" applies to the exposed skin of a human.

Wind chill is a widely misunderstood concept. I don't know how many times I've heard people claim that water pipes can freeze at temperatures above 0 Celsius (or 32 Fahrenheit) due to wind chill. They can't.
 
I would say the phrase "wind chill of 400 mph" demonstrate a complete lack of competence in the science of heat transfer.

Oh, indeed. A charitable critic might assume he meant to describe forced convective heat transfer, which is a thing. But people who know the science call that science by the right name. People who don't know it grope instead for putatively similar concepts from their intuition.
 
Oh, indeed. A charitable critic might assume he meant to describe forced convective heat transfer, which is a thing. But people who know the science call that science by the right name. People who don't know it grope instead for putatively similar concepts from their intuition.

Voltage and current are both electrical terms so I can interchange those, right?

:p
 
Wind chill is a widely misunderstood concept. I don't know how many times I've heard people claim that water pipes can freeze at temperatures above 0 Celsius (or 32 Fahrenheit) due to wind chill. They can't.

They surely can't, as long as the pipe is dry on the outside.

"Wind chill" is the "feels like" temperature that incorporates the difference between natural convective heat transfer (heat transfer to an ambient fluid) and forced convective heat transfer (heat transfer to a fluid flowing over the transfer boundary). The latter is more effective in the sense that it transfers heat at a greater rate. As such, for meteorological and biomechanical purposes, you feel cold because your metabolic heat leaves your body at a faster rate.

But the amount of heat transferred (regardless of rate) still depends on the difference in temperature between the materials across the transfer boundary. Yes, forced convection will transfer heat faster, but it won't transfer heat to air at 280 K if the stuff in the pipe is already 273 K. In that case heat will transfer from the air into the pipe/water, warming it.
 
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Wind chill is a widely misunderstood concept. I don't know how many times I've heard people claim that water pipes can freeze at temperatures above 0 Celsius (or 32 Fahrenheit) due to wind chill. They can't.

People just like saying things, weather-wise, are worse than they are. 28 degrees F out? That doesn't sound so horrible, but add in a wind-chill and you've endured -10 degrees!!!! You tough-guy you!

'Heat Index' is another bit of nonsense.
 
You wrote a lot but you never really answered the unidirectional ejecta plume clearly caught on radar. It couldn't have been caused by the center tank exploding, according to your official cause of the crash. Now you are saying the NTSB investigators weren't qualified.

Government screwed-up because 3 KH-11 satellites were in position to observe the crash. They said all three "failed". What are the odds of all three failing at the same time? They screwed-up because they admitted elsewhere that one of the satellites captured the naval ships in the area (which means they were working).
You don't have a single NTSB investigator on your side who is qualified to determine the cause of the crash.

You make up stuff like the unidirectional ejecta, and never source it, or explain it, or prove it. It is called BS, a tactic of throwing BS out, gish gallop. What next.

You failed to explain the AOA, except with talk.'
You failed to explain the MACH 4 and show the data, again talk.
Your expert says jet fuel fumes can't explode, and it does.

You gish gallop with the satellites, as if they mean anything.

You don't realize you have hearsay, fantasy and nonsense as your evidence.

You have failed to prove any of your points. You can't answer any of the questions which rise from your gish gallop posts. Not one single answer, as you keep throwing out nonsense instead of stopping collecting your wits to see you don't have evidence, you have googled up poppycock as if it was real.


You need a better answer. There's science attached to this that would have condensed and cooled any alleged fuel vapors.
Wrong again.
The science says the fuel in the CWT was in the zone for a fuel fume explosion with a spark. oops, you never read the truth, you got the fantasy search filter stuck on your search engine. It is funny how you can only present lies, fantasy, and nonsense.

For Flight 800 running the AC packs on the ground caused extreme temperatures in the CWT. Flt 800 was on an extended ground delay, which had the AC running (a problem since there was no fuel in the CWT to act as a Heat Sink). The temperature and pressure are keys to an explosive mixture, and that was the issue at 13,000 feet.

The science says the jet fuel fumes were explosive, you made up your science, called talk, or BS, or nonsense, which is based on what you make up. The real science debunks you, and you could check the data, but don't; you prefer lies and nonsense.

Fuel study based on science, not on woo.
http://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/ar98-26.pdf
The Final TWA 800 report found at the NTSB site.
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAR0003.pdf

You haven't answerd the nose gear assembly blast striations with your contrived evasions.

The doors were blasted inward. There's no explanation for that with an internal fuel tank explosion.
??? there is no stop to your gish gallop - impact with the water is enough to blast nose gear door in. Where is your study, the source for this BS?

You owe me an AOA study too.

You bring up the crazy claims, you have to support them with facts and evidence. You have failed to do much more than post more crazy claims.
 
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Kallstrom admitted in an interview with 'Accuracy In Media' Reed Irvine that the unidentified tracks caught on radar were naval vessels.

IRVINE: Hey, the bureau [FBI] just sent [Congressman] Trafficant a
letter saying they couldn't identify three vessels that were in the
vicinity, for privacy reasons -- come on!

KALLSTROM: Well, yeah. Well, we all know what those were. In fact, I
even spoke about those publicly.

IRVINE: What were they?

KALLSTROM: They were Navy vessels that were on classified maneuvers.

IRVINE: What about the one that went racing out to sea at 30 knots?


I asked you before for your definition of "vicinity". Keeping with your inflexible M.O. you ignored it and galloped back to the unidirectional plume. Kallstrom has said his definition is 200 miles.
 
Their claim are BS, and I am a trained aircraft accident investigator, also served as board president. Jet Fuel Can't Explode...
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Oops, your experts are wrong.




I think you obviously dismiss your own credibility by entering that silly comparison between a plane impact with a steel tower and the science involved with getting Jet-A fuel vapors to explode in a Boeing center fuel tank from a short-circuit your investigation never found any evidence of. The fact you would try to get away with such a goofy comparison says all anyone would need to know.
 
I asked you before for your definition of "vicinity". Keeping with your inflexible M.O. you ignored it and galloped back to the unidirectional plume. Kallstrom has said his definition is 200 miles.



Nice try. Kallstrom was referring to the tracks seen on radar at the crash scene.
 
You don't have a single NTSB investigator on your side who is qualified to determine the cause of the crash.



Which is just another way of saying your side used unqualified people to determine the cause of the crash. It is your side who assigned those agents. Those gentlemen were well-qualified. You're just spouting nonsense. If you bothered to watch the Emery video I linked NTSB gave an award to Hughes for his investigation of Flight 800.



You make up stuff like the unidirectional ejecta, and never source it, or explain it, or prove it. It is called BS, a tactic of throwing BS out, gish gallop. What next.




Hard data from the radar you're in contempt of and still haven't answered.
 
Irvine first asked him about "vessels", not "radar blips". Irvine then asked Kallstrom about the 30 knot track that was seen on radar.


Mish mash. The context was the tracks of unidentified objects caught on the radar. Those tracks were within the crash site.
 

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