New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

[Andy_Ross]

of some kind of classified missile test maneuver. When it went wrong they did their usual tricks and made cover-stories. You want us to believe your offerings are genuine however anyone can see what you are avoiding. You ask us to produce proof of their maneuvers. Sure. Really, your newsreel propaganda about the crew watching the evening movie is too much in my opinion.

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So what was it? a missile test or were they trying to shoot down a Kamikaze attack?
It can't be both of them.

If several Navy ships with crews numbering in the hundreds each were involved why haven't any of them come forward in the years since to say they were on the ship that fired an AA missile at a civilian aircraft and murdered the crew and passengers?

You don't know much about sailors.

 

[matt.tansy]

The slow blip being an aircraft is a good point you can't answer isn't it? The investigation said it was a radar shadow.

Show me where this "slow blip" is on the radar chart.

 

[Andy_Ross]

What was the motive for all this?

 

[thedopefishlives]

What was the motive for all this?

That depends on which version of his theory you're talking about. The current version is that They (tm) were trying to shoot down a kamikaze plane and hit TWA 800 instead, or something similar. Which then leads to questions about what happened to the attacking aircraft, did it press its attack or did it break off, where is its radar track, etc.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Sure. Ignore the man with 20 years of submarine experience.

WHy not, he ignores my experience with Navy AA missiles in actual combat over the story from a man sat on a bridge 10 miles away.

 

[Jetblast]

No. It's your case, you provide the evidence here. I am not here to do your research for you.

Cashill:


ENGINEER TAKES FBI TO COURT

Graeme Sephton is a man on a mission. After seven years of effort, the electrical engineer affiliated with the University of Massachusetts has forced the FBI to defend its record gathering in a federal appeals court in Boston.

Like retired United Airline pilot Ray Lahr on the west coast, Sephton is focusing on one key area of inquiry in the case of TWA Flight 800. This is the airliner that crashed on the night of July 17, 1996, off the coast of Long Island.


Lahr’s ongoing case in the Los Angeles District Court pivots on the calculations used by the National Transportation Safety Board and the CIA to postulate a 3,400 foot post-crash climb by the nose-less 747. This contrivance was critical in that it allowed the authorities to explain away the testimony of the 270 eyewitnesses who saw an ascending object strike the plane.

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Sephton welcomes the attendance of any concerned citizens in the neighborhood of Boston on Dec. 7. More details about this lawsuit can be found at: www.foiac.org.

Read more at (hot link removed)

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[matt.tansy]

I admit that's a good question, however the debris field was controlled.

As you pointed out, the nose gear doors were recovered. They show no signs of high velocity fragmentation.

By the way, is your continuous-rod missile a non-shrapnel missile? You said there were no non-shrapnel missiles.

You are supremely confused. Learn something today: Fragmentation (weaponry)

 

[matt.tansy]

Maybe he tied the blast-gouged nose gear assembly whose damage you can't explain on to it?


The PETN residue that FBI got caught lying as being seat glue is also hard evidence you haven't explained.

I don't have to explain it. An aircraft destroyed by an anti-aircraft missile will either have 1. high velocity fragment penetrations or 2. high velocity fragment penetrations and explosive residue. It can never have just explosive residue.

FBI illegally dumped all the seat fabric with this residue into a dumpster behind the hangar. That's illegal.

Show me what statute or law says it's illegal.

Could you tell me why they did this?

Knowing the reliability of your sources of information, I seriously doubt it happened exactly the way you say it did.

 

[thedopefishlives]

And in that entire wall of text was ... let's see ... no link to any actual testimony or report by the Long Island Coroner. Just a bunch of speculation and hearsay.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Cashill:
ENGINEER TAKES FBI TO COURT

So what? people keep taking the President to court, it doesn't mean anything.

 

[thedopefishlives]

By the way, Jetblast, do you have any sources other than Cashill to prove your case? Relying on a single conspiraloon to provide all your evidence is rather telling.

 

[JayUtah]

Your words are empty. Show me an actual radar track with this unidentified plane and that it intersects the track of TWA 800 at the point of the explosion. Any theory involving another plane must have this piece of data.

Oh, but see, all that was "sanitized" by the FBI/NSA/CIA/BSA/Illuminati/Obama consortium. That's why it doesn't appear in the radar data. Although, stupidly enough, they could apparently remove all traces of the actual missile but forgot to remove the "Mach 4 ejecta."

All aboard the conspiracy merry-go-round.

 

[Robrob]

FBI illegally dumped all the seat fabric with this residue into a dumpster behind the hangar. That's illegal.

I too would be interested in knowing what statute you think was violated.

 

[thedopefishlives]

Oh, but see, all that was "sanitized" by the FBI/NSA/CIA/BSA/Illuminati/Obama consortium. That's why it doesn't appear in the radar data. Although, stupidly enough, they could apparently remove all traces of the actual missile but forgot to remove the "Mach 4 ejecta."

All aboard the conspiracy merry-go-round.

Jay, you're right, I forgot. We had that conversation once already when I asked him if the missile had been picked up on radar. So, clearly, the absence of evidence is evidence of conspiracy.

 

[matt.tansy]

The NTSB investigators who were actually part of the investigation, unlike Tansy, are in the new documentary saying there were obvious shrapnel-penetrated wreckage parts that were removed after they pointed them out. Maybe those parts entered Tansy's teleporter?

Hank Hughes has said the penetrations are on the opposite side of the aircraft from where the press was during the latest NTSB press conference so the press couldn't see them. So according to one of the investigators who was there(!!!!!) the holes are still there. This of course ignores the astounding fact that many reporters have been given tours of the entire reconstructed fuselage, inside and out. Near the beginning of the documentary Stalcup is shown walking around the reconstructed fuselage! Why on Earth did he not film these penetrations that one of the investigators who was there(!!!!!) said were there?

 

[JayUtah]

Jay, you're right, I forgot. We had that conversation once already when I asked him if the missile had been picked up on radar. So, clearly, the absence of evidence is evidence of conspiracy.

That's exactly the point. The landscape of evidence has nothing to do with the theory. Or rather, can be made to fit any theory by simply declaring the "missing" parts to have been sanitized. It's just a pretty unremarkable appeal to conspiracy across the board.

 

[Jetblast]

No. It's your case, you provide the evidence here. I am not here to do your research for you.

I've done extensive reading on this. I tried to Google the source to no avail. However any basic Googling of the subject will show the seeker that Medical Examiner Charles Wetli identified round shrapnel pellets that FBI sent to a lab. The information I posted was from a conversation with Wetli where he elaborated further about the metals contained in those pellets as being the precise metals used in missile warhead shrapnel. This was recorded by FBI in their 30 page analysis of the pellets which they then illegally failed to return to Wetli's jurisdiction.

The facts will back me on this like the bridge-shaking. For those more familiar with the case it is the basis for Sephton's lawsuit against FBI.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The facts will back me on this like the bridge-shaking.

So no facts then.

YOu haven't posted a single link or extract or ref apart from some vague ones to the conspiracy pushers.

 

[JayUtah]

I've done extensive reading on this.

I see no evidence for that statement.

The facts will back me on this like the bridge-shaking.

The facts don't back you up on the bridge-shaking. Which I suppose means your statement is, technically speaking, also likely true also in the other case.

 

[Jetblast]

Hank Hughes has said the penetrations are on the opposite side of the aircraft from where the press was during the latest NTSB press conference so the press couldn't see them. So according to one of the investigators who was there(!!!!!) the holes are still there. This of course ignores the astounding fact that many reporters have been given tours of the entire reconstructed fuselage, inside and out. Near the beginning of the documentary Stalcup is shown walking around the reconstructed fuselage! Why on Earth did he not film these penetrations that one of the investigators who was there(!!!!!) said were there?

Nice try but no. It's clear there were many cases of wreckage removal with many pieces.

What was your explanation for your man in the hangar banging the tank floor downward with a hammer? That's illegal manipulation of forensic evidence.

Your answer doesn't nearly address what Hughes and others said.