Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread

[JayUtah]

Thanks to god, that you american guys are standing with both feet on the ground.

Hans

How does a nationalist argument apply to your line of reasoning?
Why have you failed to provide the evidence I asked for?
What steps have you taken to insure your interpretation of Kubrick symbology is the one he intended?

 

[jaydeehess]

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[jaydeehess]

How does a nationalist argument apply to your line of reasoning?
Why have you failed to provide the evidence I asked for?
What steps have you taken to insure your interpretation of Kubrick symbology is the one he intended?

What! If a cloud looks like a bunny then that is what God intended. If Hans sees symbology in Kubrick's work then obviously that's what Kubrick intended.
QED

Better include this

 

[sts60]

My problem is my poor English, I try without Google.

No, your English is serviceable. Your problem is that you make certain factual claims about movies which are largely wrong, unsupported, or irrelevant, and then try to ascribe motives to the filmmaker which are supported by nothing more than your imagination. Then you try to claim that they are somehow evidence for a hoax. Meanwhile, you have come nowhere close to addressing the overwhelming body of evidence for Apollo. So you actually have several problems, but your English isn't one of them...

"Sublingual messages"

"Subliminal". "Sublingual" is something that goes under your tongue, like a nitroglycerin pill or cold lozenge.

 

[Peter May]

Hello Peter May, long time no see.

I will disagree to an extent. Filmmakers do use symbolism. It's de riguer. The problem here is that some people will take that symbolism and apply it to their CT du jour.

Hello Abaddon.

Yes, I have been posting at the David Icke forum until a few weeks ago when I was banned for life, the reason, asking for proof. So it goes…..
I prefer to call it, analysis Ad nauseam. Symbolism, sure, Shelley Duvall is just another abused housewife, but I suppose that’s too simplistic for some intellects.

 

[JayUtah]

What! If a cloud looks like a bunny then that is what God intended. If Hans sees symbology in Kubrick's work then obviously that's what Kubrick intended.
QED

Better include this

Ha ha, yes, that's probably a good example of the essence of circular reasoning. People simply cannot realize that their idea just might be wrong.

 

[Loss Leader]

So Kubrick knows something about Apollo 12, now? And encoded it into a movie about a hotel? Like he put 9/11 into a movie about Vietnam?

What event was he signalling during Lolita? The success of the Fudrucker's franchise?

 

[JayUtah]

Hello Abaddon.

Yes, I have been posting at the David Icke forum until a few weeks ago when I was banned for life, the reason, asking for proof. So it goes…..
I prefer to call it, analysis Ad nauseam. Symbolism, sure, Shelley Duvall is just another abused housewife, but I suppose that’s too simplistic for some intellects.

Well, there's a certain logic to this. To read or view is to interpret, so the only way to avoid a possibly wrong interpretation is to stick with the literal depiction in print or on the screen.

But that's absurdly reductionist, especially since we know Kubrick did intend his films to have symbolic meaning. Most filmmakers do. And films can have an added symbolic meaning as the viewer subjectively applies it to his life experience. But the latter doesn't apply to the filmmaker. If I take something a certain way, it may not be what the filmmaker intended. Yet the filmmaker may intend a certain symbolism, and it would be equally wrong to deny that.

 

[JayUtah]

So Kubrick knows something about Apollo 12, now? And encoded it into a movie about a hotel? Like he put 9/11 into a movie about Vietnam?

That's what I can't stomach about the armchair Kubrick critics. It's one thing to propose a connection between Apollo and Kubrick, given that he made a space epic that inspired and galvanized the generation that implemented Apollo. And that The Shining was made after all the Apollo missions.

But to propose some kind of prescience? Kubrick knew enough about future world events to incorporate the details into his war epic? This is just Nostradamus all over again. Kubrick was an eccentric and much admired filmmaker. He wasn't some kind of prophet, or secret agent, or superhuman.

What event was he signalling during Lolita? The success of the Fudrucker's franchise?

I wouldn't call it successful. Fuddruckers, that is. But in Lolita I think the most you can say is that Kubrick wanted to capture the novel's inherent dichotomy between the etiquette and the immoral sexual relationship. It's like a string quartet playing on the deck of the sinking Titanic -- droll juxtaposition. But nothing more than that. No additional social commentary needed. No allusions to history or future. No Easter Eggs about world events, the economy, or the price of hamburgers.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The Shining is a horror film about supernatural events at the Overlook Hotel, no symbolism, or analysis, required.

And I suppose 2001 is just a movie about software debugging?

The book was "just" a horror story about supernatural events; that story is only one layer of the total content of the film. Kubrick was a brilliant film maker who was able to weave multiple elements together to tell both the superficial story that the producers payed for as well as a deeper story of his own.

Unlike people who studied useful and marketable things in college, I wasted 50k learning things like how to watch films and see the literary and cultural messages embedded in them by the director with variable levels of accident and intentionality. I spent one entire semester just on Ingmar Bergman. So shut up and let me pretend my education had some kind of value, okay?

In all seriousness, this is only one of many possible reads of The Shining, but Kubrick's work has to be taken as a whole. A deep symbolic analysis shouldn't take individual films on their own, and you CERTAINLY can't take individual scenes (or costumes, or scenery, or camera angles) out of context and assign meaning to them in the abstract. Well, one can, but it would be less accurate and certainly not in keeping with the director's intent.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I have been posting at the David Icke forum until a few weeks ago when I was banned for life, the reason, asking for proof. So it goes….

Welcome to the club. They've run off most of the intelligent posters and are left with the "it's all teh fake" club and the anally-probed UFO abductees.

 

[abaddon]

Hello Abaddon.

Yes, I have been posting at the David Icke forum until a few weeks ago when I was banned for life, the reason, asking for proof. So it goes…..
I prefer to call it, analysis Ad nauseam. Symbolism, sure, Shelley Duvall is just another abused housewife, but I suppose that’s too simplistic for some intellects.

LOL, Welcome to the club with your DI ban,

 

[Hans Peper]

Hi, Leader of the lost,

you like Lolita ?

I came to the 9/11 topic in Kubricks FMJ movie just by chance. We discussed it a longer time, and we also talk about the moon landing fake.
So I thought it was a good idea to check the moon topic, because I thought that if he faked the moon landing, the possibility that he also talk about the 9/11 topic could be true. Some member of this forum told me about "room 237" and so I came to "shining".
I was surprised to see what the people found out and checked the movie by myself. So I found two new hints, which are very interesting.
I call it sublingual messages, because they are lower than the linguistic mode of speaking with words - "messages without words".
The first was the key of room 237. In S. Kings book the room has a different number and Kubrick changed it into 237 (237.000 miles to the moon). A lot of hints have to do with mirrowing. I.e. the word "murder" is written by Danny as "redrum" on the door.
The label on the roomkey 237 is written : ROOM N. 237.
If you mirror ROOM you get "MOOR". Danny wrote the "R" in redrum wrong. So if we take the "R" in "MOOR" away and set the N on its place we get :

Moon 237 = Moon 237.000 miles

This is a hint where the journey goes to.

Regards Hans (I come back soon to Wendys pages)


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[Erock]

So I thought it was a good idea to check the moon topic, because I thought that if he faked the moon landing, the possibility that he also talk about the 9/11 topic could be true.

Circular reasoning of epic proportions.

Some member of this forum told me about "room 237" and so I came to "shining". I was surprised to see what the people found out and checked the movie by myself. So I found two new hints, which are very interesting.
I call it sublingual messages, because they are lower than the linguistic mode of speaking with words - "messages without words".
The first was the key of room 237. In S. Kings book the room has a different number and Kubrick changed it into 237 (237.000 miles to the moon).

How do you know Kubrick changed it? Didn't he co write this script?

A lot of hints have to do with mirrowing. I.e. the word "murder" is written by Danny as "redrum" on the door.
The label on the roomkey 237 is written : ROOM N. 237.
If you mirror ROOM you get "MOOR". Danny wrote the "R" in redrum wrong. So if we take the "R" in "MOOR" away and set the N on its place we get :

Moon 237 = Moon 237.000 miles

This is a hint where the journey goes to.

That is the most awesome piece of contrived bogwater I've seen for a while.

The Moon is on average 238,900 miles, it has an elliptical orbit ranging from 221,457 to 252,712 miles - Room backwards is Moor, if you remove the 'r' and add an 'o' you get the noise a Cow makes. That is kind of what I think of this claim.

 

[BrianH]

The first was the key of room 237. In S. Kings book the room has a different number and Kubrick changed it into 237 (237.000 miles to the moon). A lot of hints have to do with mirrowing. I.e. the word "murder" is written by Danny as "redrum" on the door.
The label on the roomkey 237 is written : ROOM N. 237.
If you mirror ROOM you get "MOOR". Danny wrote the "R" in redrum wrong. So if we take the "R" in "MOOR" away and set the N on its place we get :

Moon 237 = Moon 237.000 miles

This is a hint where the journey goes to.

Regards Hans (I come back soon to Wendys pages)


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The often-repeated story is that the owners of the real hotel where the movie was shot requested that a fictitious room number be used so they would not have problems with guests refusing to stay in room 217. This is unsubstantiated, but makes more sense than the Moon explanation, especially since the average distance is almost 239,000 miles.

 

[Hans Peper]

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Edited for civility.

We have "MOOR N 237" which is written on the lable. If you cut away the R, you get "MOON 237"

That is very simple. But it is sadly out of the range of the most people.

So it fits to the Apollo 11 sweater of Danny and to the colours and forms in the carpet, where Danny is standing and playing and it fits to the carpet with 4 Saturn rockets hanging on the wall over the fire place and it fits to the message in the pages of "All work and no play.." and a lot more.

So this is the reason, why I came to the thread "When did the moon landing fake nonsens begin?"
because I wanted to know when it began.
Why?
These sublingual messages are not noticed by us, but they are noticed by our subconscious. If you get this Coke messages, you will drink a Coke. What happens after recieving the moon fake messages from shining ?
Is there a connection between the launch of the movie and the finding of following facts by the moon fake theorists ?

When do they found out that in case of Apollo 12 :

1.) Something is wrong in the set. Things changed position .
2.) Something is wrong in the mirrowings of the astronauts visors.
3.) There are too much pictures for that short time on the moon.

Could it be, that the finding of these fails are a result of our triggered subconscious
after whatching Kubricks movie ? Is it that what he wanted ?

regards Hans

 

[Hans Peper]

...The Moon is on average 238,900 miles, it has an elliptical orbit ranging from 221,457 to 252,712 miles

After the rules of mathematic is :

(221457 + 252712) / 2 = 237084,5 = exactly 237 in thousand miles parts.

237000 is the middle between the maximum and minimum distance.

regards Hans

 

[Hans Peper]

The often-repeated story is that the owners of the real hotel where the movie was shot requested that a fictitious room number be used so they would not have problems with guests refusing to stay in room 217. This is unsubstantiated, but makes more sense than the Moon explanation, especially since the average distance is almost 239,000 miles.

I saw the "making of..." and there it looks like, that the movie was made in Kubicks halls.
Even the hedges were artificially.

Regards Hans

 

[Dcdrac]

Could it be even simpler than just accepting the proved reality that the Apollo Missions were an astounding feat and it is a pity politcians have not had the guts to back follow up missions?

 

[Hans Peper]

Could it be even simpler than just accepting the proved reality that the Apollo Missions were an astounding feat and it is a pity politcians have not had the guts to back follow up missions?

I cant say about what is true or what not.

I read some messages from Kubrick, that he said he faked it, and we shall have a look at special things in the Apollo 12 mission. A lot of people had a look, and found amazing things. My question is : Is this a result of Kubricks sublingual messages ? I am afraid that it is.

Now I am interested in this topic.

Regards Hans