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Dissolution said:
Just going over that thread again and I can't help but notice the bizarre logic going on there.
Apparently Schermer's a scumbag for hiring a lawyer to defend himself against rape allegations.
What's an innocent person supposed to do if they've been falsely accused, in that situation?

I'm not saying that he is innocent, by the way. I have no idea, either way.
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Just for clarity , that's allegedly Krauss not Shermer who used his "class privilege" to supposedly threaten legal action.
 
bedlin88 said:
A bit of sanity over at FtB from Maryam Namazie

http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2013/08/09/report-them/

Of course she is already being attacked by some in the comments and one wonders just how long she will still be welcome over there.
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Possibly, but Ally Fogg has been holding out pretty well. Frankly I really like his approach, although of course I often still disagree with him.

The thing I like best about his blog is that in the comments there, you actually find dialogue of some sort occurring between representatives of the most extreme parts of the Great Divide. Sometimes, it's close to actual communication taking place!
 
Rrose Selavy said:
Just for clarity , that's allegedly Krauss not Shermer who used his "class privilege" to supposedly threaten legal action.
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Here's a nice summary of all the recent revelations and accusations.

Jen McCreight at BlagHag has reported — among other things — that “When women come to me to warn me about what speakers to avoid at conferences or confide in me sexual harassment they’ve experienced, Lawrence Krauss is by far the most common name I hear.” She has also reported that Ron Lindsay, president and CEO of CFI, knew about this — because she’s the one who told him, at the first Women in Secularism conference in March May 2012. Before the cruise that was discussed by Ed Cara. (CORRECTION: Women in Secularism 1 was in May 2012, not March; the CFI cruise in question was in May 2011, after and not before before and not after Women in Secularism 1.)
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Hard to really take anything back once it's out there. ;)
 
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Empress said:
Well, I suppose it was bound to happen. Setar and ceepolk have been screaming "Burn the Witch" at everyone to the point there's no one left, so eventually the only thing either of them had, was to start seeing if one another weighed the same as a duck.

Didn't see it coming down on that subject, to be honest. ceepolk never fails to amaze.
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Things ought to get interesting in the sooper sekret forums. Setar's their self-appointed Political Commissar and Ceepolk's.... well, by xer's standards, a demi-god.

I was watching the thread, having no idea that someone would pull an Anti-Godwin (the first person who nails someone for comparing a hangnail to the Holocaust or Hiroshima WINS) and I honestly reckoned it had come time for them to take Serene down. He/She has been making far too many reasonable statements! And when I saw the criticism of Setar, I thought, "Hmmm, this could get interesting...". Little did I imagine that the long tall brown-skin gal was going to come in and make the self-appointed/anointed A+ Political Commissar lay his prayer book down*.

Usually, they let the fur fly a bit. Ya think they're worried that two of their holy of holies will go at it and they'll have to ban one?

*before any of my paleo conservative fans show up and accuse me of racism, that's an allusion to an old song. "It Takes A Long Tall Brown-Skin Gal To Make A Preacher Lay His Prayer Book Down".
 
Stout said:
Extra ! Extra ! Read All About It !!!!

Setar outed as racist, Ceepolk throws a wobbler and locks thread

Details inside, 10 cents please
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I was always of the opinion that rape culture, at least in the West, does not exist. I mean sure, rapes happen. But they are considered a serious crime and are severely punished, hence I thought that the term was redundant.

Turns out that if someone is accused anonymously of raping someone then any attempts to get both sides of the story are rape culture! Now I see that rape culture really does exist, especially in our justice system! So does murder culture, theft culture, fraud culture, assault culture, parking violation culture...
 
Foolmewunz said:
Things ought to get interesting in the sooper sekret forums. Setar's their self-appointed Political Commissar and Ceepolk's.... well, by xer's standards, a demi-god.

I was watching the thread, having no idea that someone would pull an Anti-Godwin (the first person who nails someone for comparing a hangnail to the Holocaust or Hiroshima WINS) and I honestly reckoned it had come time for them to take Serene down. He/She has been making far too many reasonable statements! And when I saw the criticism of Setar, I thought, "Hmmm, this could get interesting...". Little did I imagine that the long tall brown-skin gal was going to come in and make the self-appointed/anointed A+ Political Commissar lay his prayer book down*.

Usually, they let the fur fly a bit. Ya think they're worried that two of their holy of holies will go at it and they'll have to ban one?

*before any of my paleo conservative fans show up and accuse me of racism, that's an allusion to an old song. "It Takes A Long Tall Brown-Skin Gal To Make A Preacher Lay His Prayer Book Down".
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That song refers to a joke that was made about BLACK PEOPLE after JIM CROW and so it is NOT APPROPRIATE to EVER DARE to use it so OFFENSIVELY aGAIN!

It's really amazing isn't it?
 
squealpiggy said:
I was always of the opinion that rape culture, at least in the West, does not exist. I mean sure, rapes happen. But they are considered a serious crime and are severely punished, hence I thought that the term was redundant.

Turns out that if someone is accused anonymously of raping someone then any attempts to get both sides of the story are rape culture! Now I see that rape culture really does exist, especially in our justice system! So does murder culture, theft culture, fraud culture, assault culture, parking violation culture...
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Well, let's see . . . the expression "**** you" clearly refers to sex as punishment, and it's hard to imagine that it's intended as consensual punishment, so "*** you" is kinda rape-culturish. That's why enlightened sites such as A+ or FTB absolutely forbid any such language, right?
 
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Stout said:
Extra ! Extra ! Read All About It !!!!

Setar outed as racist, Ceepolk throws a wobbler and locks thread

Details inside, 10 cents please
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That thread is far juicier than you said. Protecting your reputation doesn't matter when the possibly defamatory claims thrown at you are about rape/sexual assault/sexual harassment.

Also the word "flaming" is a mildly homophobic slur.

bedlin88 said:
A bit of sanity over at FtB from Maryam Namazie

http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2013/08/09/report-them/

Of course she is already being attacked by some in the comments and one wonders just how long she will still be welcome over there.
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Those commenters are stupid. There's one person there who is complaining about rape kits. Because collecting evidence is bad.

These people scare me, since these people seem to be ones who would prefer the justice system to use a "preponderance of evidence" as a standard instead of "beyond reasonable doubt" when dealing with these kind of things.

Justicar makes some good points about the "police suck at this sort of thing" point in her post.
 
squealpiggy said:
That song refers to a joke that was made about BLACK PEOPLE after JIM CROW and so it is NOT APPROPRIATE to EVER DARE to use it so OFFENSIVELY aGAIN!

It's really amazing isn't it?
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Bu... bu... I have a brown-skinned child. How dare you criticize someone of the 3rd world with your colonial-imperialistic heritage. :p
 
Foolmewunz said:
Bu... bu... I have a brown-skinned child. How dare you criticize someone of the 3rd world with your colonial-imperialistic heritage. :p
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Yeah but your brown skinned child is really cute, so that doesn't count.;)

So I've joined FTBs. We'll see how long it takes my attempts to be reasonable to be noticed. I think I've been pretty reasonable so far, but I am drawing some flies.
 
Dissolution said:
Just going over that thread again and I can't help but notice the bizarre logic going on there.
Apparently Schermer's a scumbag for hiring a lawyer to defend himself against rape allegations.
What's an innocent person supposed to do if they've been falsely accused, in that situation?

I'm not saying that he is innocent, by the way. I have no idea, either way.
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Well, if you read the thread you'll see that SubMor described him as an "abuser", and his accusor as a "victim". So SubMor's obviously decided that he's guilty. Therefore he is guilty. Therefore what he'd do if he was innocent doesn't matter, because he's not.

See?
 
bedlin88 said:
A bit of sanity over at FtB from Maryam Namazie

http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2013/08/09/report-them/

Of course she is already being attacked by some in the comments and one wonders just how long she will still be welcome over there.
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I have a lot of respect for Maryam Namazie. She's a bit of an odd fit for FTB as she isn't the white upper-middle-class collegiate that makes up most of their roster and she actually, you know, campaigns for free thought instead of soliciting donations for shoes and things.

It won't be surprising to see her ousted, I mean she's already been described as a "rape culture apologist" for suggesting that criminal acts ought to be reported to criminal investigators.

Is there any other crime that this applies to? If somebody had their car stolen would somebody suggesting the victim report it to the police be shouted down because the police are traditionally bad at investigating stolen cars?
 
Back on the subject of "rape culture", somebody posted this comment on Maryam's blog:

"Rape Culture is rooted in victim blaming. “She’s asking for it”, when a women wears a figure flattering dress or a short skirt. “She owes me” when she accepts a free drink or a walk home. “No means yes”, when she has been with other men. "

None of these things are in any way viable legal excuses for rape. If rape culture as defined existed then these things may be considered legal grounds for exoneration.
 
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