And he offered to do so.Using a materials science definition, I'm sure he is.
That's why I've asked him to produce some non-WTC evidence or documentation of structural steel piling on itself in a liquid fashion from compression only.
Assuming he's talking about structural steel -- because that's what we're talking about here -- he is saying that structural steel is ductile at room temperature. Do you find that a credible claim?
You can only find WTC examples? Lol. What a surprise.![]()
Of what?Just pony up some evidence, DGM. Save yourself some breath.
Nice dodge.
Assuming he's talking about structural steel -- because that's what we're talking about here -- he is saying that structural steel is ductile at room temperature. Do you find that a credible claim?
This sentence makes no sense what so ever.Using a materials science definition, I'm sure he is.
That's why I've asked him to produce some non-WTC evidence or documentation of structural steel piling on itself in a liquid fashion from compression only.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=845&pictureid=8097[/qimg]source - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020740306000622
"Using a materials science definition, I'm sure he is".Tell me what the first sentence in my reply at post #625 says.
Assuming he's talking about structural steel -- because that's what we're talking about here -- he is saying that structural steel is ductile at room temperature. Do you find that a credible claim?
Dcdrac, tell me which statements, if any, you believe to be true:
a) reports of molten steel in the WTC pile are likely erroneous because building fires generally do not produce temperatures hot enough to melt steel.
b) the presence of molten steel in the WTC rubble would not be unusual.
If option b was part of your answer, please complete the statement:
"The presence of molten steel in the WTC pile would not be unusual because _________________ ."
and then you might actually be on topic. 'Kay?
You're welcome.
False dichotomy. Why does he have to choose one or the other if both are true?
This sentence makes no sense what so ever.
What are you talking about? What do you mean by:
"piling in on itself"
"liquid fashion"
What you appear to be trying to describe is something like buckling through axial compression at elevated temperatures. There is nothing to do with liquid in your photos. If the material had been liquid it would not have kept an identifiable form/shape after deformation.
You seem to have extreme trouble with understanding the difference between liquid and solid. You don't seem to understand that temperature changes the way in which metals behave under load whether that be compression or tension.
Oh and yes, here is your request for pictures of such buckling that are not sourced from the WTC.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=845&pictureid=8097[/qimg]source - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020740306000622
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Papers showing the exact behaviour you find perplexing:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0263823100000483
http://appliedmechanicsreviews.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/article.aspx?articleid=1398936
Just because you don't understand and find the photos incredible doesn't mean that this is not understood.
Dcdrac, tell me which statements, if any, you believe to be true:
a) reports of molten steel in the WTC pile are likely erroneous because building fires generally do not produce temperatures hot enough to melt steel.
b) the presence of molten steel in the WTC rubble would not be unusual.
If option b was part of your answer, please complete the statement:
"The presence of molten steel in the WTC pile would not be unusual because _________________ ."
and then you might actually be on topic. 'Kay?
You're welcome.