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The Markets, Trading & Charts Thread

because you're so rich you dont care blah de blah de blah.

you and Buffy may have gotten lucky because you we're born in a place with opportunity smack bang in the middle of the world's greatest free money boom and gotten bailed out when it all failed, but others reading this might not be so lucky.

every single post you ever "contribute" always has a smack of "look how rich I am (and Buffy) " but could you try and think of others for once please?

because I will tell you as a fact, if I had stumbled onto this thread a year ago, I guarantee it would have turned my world around.

there may be many others reading this in the same position, who really do not give a flying ...... about how rich you and Buffy are.

if just one of them ever gets there partially due to my input then the favour will have been repaid.

Translation: Anyone who rejects my nonsense and still enjoys superior returns is just lucky.

A great teaching moment.

I've never once claimed to be rich. I don't consider myself to be. Others may. You'd have to ask them.

I have no idea who "Buffy" is. :confused:
 
should we look at market correlations? what indices are people personally interested in?

I'm sure we can probably find the ramp and carry currencies for most of them if we look?

although I'm now suspecting maybe you'd just rather not know? :)

You've been posting here for several years, so dig up some post from 2012 which shows your prediction that the stock market would hit new highs and gold/silver would plunge.
 
Translation: Anyone who rejects my nonsense and still enjoys superior returns is just lucky.

A great teaching moment.

not at all, if people have no interest in trading or market movement then I am sure they would not have gotten this far. and nonsense is in the eye of the beholder it would seem, if maths is to be believed, anyway.

I've never once claimed to be rich. I don't consider myself to be. Others may. You'd have to ask them.

I have no idea who "Buffy" is. :confused:

:rolleyes:
 
You've been posting here for several years, so dig up some post from 2012 which shows your prediction that the stock market would hit new highs and gold/silver would plunge.

would you say I've gotten a bit better at it since then, and say since April in particular when I started documenting a steadily increasing demo account balance? :D

this is the main point, since I came to the conclusion that predicting macro movement from fundamentals and news etc was in fact impossible, whilst at the same time learning to trade market movement only, it all kind of, er.. clicked.

I fully admit, I was completely wrong about gold, and almost all my initial predictions of trading by using retail methodology at the time were 50/50 at best. no clue. continually going backwards, caught by every single trap and mistake you can make.

but as explained here this underwent a radical transformation when I grasped the potential of this trading system, and watched in astonishment as Nov / Dec EUR & GBP cycles ran perfectly for weeks on end, with the guys saying the day before, which way the next day.

be honest please, does it "look" like I have a bit more idea now? (&if Apple gaps down I'm going to lmao btw ;) )
 
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Just to be honest, I barely glance at your long posts peppered with charts and lines and triangles and the like. I used to read them, looking for substance, but having found none gave up.

It's like if someone was here promoting astrology or demons in TV static or Lotto systems. Though I have an open mind, I have a fundamental view of how the world works. While that view is subject to change, it would take a substantial amount of evidence to change that view. More than just a single player who might manage to have his winning trades barely outweigh his losing trades.

I would be more interested in simple line charts showing your portfolio gains or losses in every account you have, from the date they were opened, both winners and losers. That would avoid cherry picking and the file drawer effect.

Doubling your stake in any one account would be interesting, but like the fellow who walks out of the casino after a single bet on black and wins, it would not prove anything by itself. Do it repeatedly and you'd start to get my attention.
 
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Just to be honest, I barely glance at your long posts peppered with charts and lines and triangles and the like. I used to read them, looking for substance, but having found none gave up.

It's like if someone was here promoting astrology or demons in TV static or Lotto systems. Though I have an open mind, I have a fundamental view of how the world works. While that view is subject to change, it would take a substantial amount of evidence to change that view. More than just a single player who might manage to have his winning trades barely outweigh his losing trades.

I would be more interested in simple line charts showing your portfolio gains or losses in every account you have, from the date they were opened, both winners and losers. That would avoid cherry picking and the file drawer effect.

Doubling your stake in any one account would be interesting, but like the fellow who walks out of the casino after a single bet on black and wins, it would not prove anything by itself. Do it repeatedly and you'd start to get my attention.

Yep.
 
& if Apple gaps down I'm going to lmao btw ;)

:) lulz (not lmao) because it didnt go as far as I'd hoped, but in general an opening gap in your direction is usually a good thing, theyre clearing the board of all the traders before retracing and starting the move. mostly. also note spread colour bar.

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Just to be honest, I barely glance at your long posts peppered with charts and lines and triangles and the like. I used to read them, looking for substance, but having found none gave up.

It's like if someone was here promoting astrology or demons in TV static or Lotto systems. Though I have an open mind, I have a fundamental view of how the world works. While that view is subject to change, it would take a substantial amount of evidence to change that view. More than just a single player who might manage to have his winning trades barely outweigh his losing trades.

I would be more interested in simple line charts showing your portfolio gains or losses in every account you have, from the date they were opened, both winners and losers. That would avoid cherry picking and the file drawer effect.

Doubling your stake in any one account would be interesting, but like the fellow who walks out of the casino after a single bet on black and wins, it would not prove anything by itself. Do it repeatedly and you'd start to get my attention.

ok, well thanks for being honest, that's fine, as I have repeatedly said, its not for everyone.

but honestly, you really, cannot see the 1,2,3 pattern? :) because I will just give up on you altogether if so lol.
 
but honestly, you really, cannot see the 1,2,3 pattern? :) because I will just give up on you altogether if so lol.

Icantakepicturesofdemons asked the same question. He was repeatedly assured that no one here saw the faces (patterns). Just sayin'. :)
 
predicition update

I would like to short this, but if it runs through 1700 it is quite likely to run 20 or 30 points up even if it did then retrace and stoprun 1700 and plunge.

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patience required, and take them on demo.

I am including this only in passing, to mention that if you are going to ever try this, the only chance you do have is to trade something you have no prior views on. EUR & GBP are ideal because they are very liquid (small spreads) and most people dont have a day to day view on whether they should be higher vs lower than the USD. so trading what you see, and hitting either button is fine.

really, I should stay away from US stocks because being a fundamental bear means I have an inherent bias to the short side, probably always wanting to be on the end of the huge one, when it comes. so I found myself taking counter trend shorts when the money was on the long side, and vice versa with gold.

much better to just forget all that altogether and play the red and blue 1,2,3 game with something that plays along mostly and you have no inner bias on.

because that will certainly be part of your undoing otherwise. I still want to short it though lol

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Just to be honest, I barely glance at your long posts peppered with charts and lines and triangles and the like. I used to read them, looking for substance, but having found none gave up.

It's like if someone was here promoting astrology or demons in TV static or Lotto systems. Though I have an open mind, I have a fundamental view of how the world works. While that view is subject to change, it would take a substantial amount of evidence to change that view. More than just a single player who might manage to have his winning trades barely outweigh his losing trades.

I would be more interested in simple line charts showing your portfolio gains or losses in every account you have, from the date they were opened, both winners and losers. That would avoid cherry picking and the file drawer effect.

Doubling your stake in any one account would be interesting, but like the fellow who walks out of the casino after a single bet on black and wins, it would not prove anything by itself. Do it repeatedly and you'd start to get my attention.

I'd say this is what kevsta is trying to do. I'm also a bit skeptical, but I still give him credit. He's got the cajones to place his predictions into this thread where everyone can see how he does, for better or for worse. And he's being rather polite about it. If he fails spectacularly, everyone will see, he'll be forced to admit it, and life goes on. Same goes if he has repeatable success. What's not to like?
 
I'd say this is what kevsta is trying to do. I'm also a bit skeptical, but I still give him credit. He's got the cajones to place his predictions into this thread where everyone can see how he does, for better or for worse. And he's being rather polite about it. If he fails spectacularly, everyone will see, he'll be forced to admit it, and life goes on. Same goes if he has repeatable success. What's not to like?

Near as I can tell (and to be honest, I don't really read his walls of text/charts), he's not making predictions at all. He's telling us what has happened in the past.
 
Haven't I seen a lot of triangles which had downward movements extend from them?

If so, how does one use that shape to predict the future movement?

umm, the first one like that you saw was here I believe? (Chart)

where I explained

and.. for all those here who think markets are driven by news and fundamentals, I thought I'd explain to you what's going on in that pink herding triangle. what you have there is a period of distribution where smart money are once again offloading their earlier buys and accumulating sells gradually, without wanting to disturb price too much yet.

what you also have, is retail traders (herefore known as the herd) buying things that go up, and selling things that go down. please notice how if you bought at any point outside the top of the triangle, always, within a bar or two, you were underwater almost immediately. the same applies for any of the herd selling below the bottom of the triangle, a bar or two later, you are either negative, (or stopped out)

remember, there is also a small spread, so you are immediately slightly negative as you buy, and are then dragged backwards into negative float and never see your price level again to get out at zero or above until the shift bar (if you're short, - if you were long and are still in, the shift bar is your worst nightmare)

most people will have been stopped out on the immediate subsequent runs to the other side of the triangle, only the brave (let it ride) or the stupid (move their stops because they don't want to take the loss) are still in and now they might have to ride out 3 downward cycles again first.

this is how they take new trader's whole accounts.

followed by.. 3 cycles down by the Nikkei etc.

we are observing price action at the borders of the zone, if every time price gets out it is sold (or bought straight back into the zone again, you are in accumulation or distribution, pre-trend.

if you already have seen 3 pushes downwards, probability is accumulation (up next), and vice versa, if you've had 3 pushes upwards, you're in most likely distribution and probability is down.

however, when it's in level 3, as you can see in the rectangles I use, price bashes up and down, and can go either way, so the only thing we know for sure, is that if we're going up, the price will break the most recent lows before any extended push higher, so really you want to be long from stopruns at the bottom, as well as short from the top.

and you might catch 3 or 4 x range trades of 50 or 60 pips before the price eventually breaks out of the range in one direction or the other.

but it will be confirmed by a break of the opposite direction, highs or lows, some time before the big move, usually just before. until we see that, it is not game on.

in the meantime, if we are expecting a stop run of the highs and a reversal, and see the twitchy spread syndrome, its all part of the puzzle. I've never said I can get them all, but I can certainly get some of them pretty accurately now, I have been amazing myself at the clarity the last few weeks.

and I've not been cherry picking I have shown you everything good and bad, stopouts etc, they get me from time to time, even me. it happens, no biggie.

but there is not a single market turning point ever where retail traders are not put through the ringer at every turn. I just want to be there alongside my 10 marketmaker liquidity providers while they do it, is all :)

the question I am asking myself every day looking at charts, is what are retail looking at, and trading off here, trendlines fibs etc, because thats where their orders will all be clustered, and that is where we will see "manipulation" before the move goes. daily. for months and months now.
 
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Sorry, that's the kind of post I start to read, then give up on quickly.

Just don't see any "there" there.

ok amigo, lets let it go. maybe this is just non-comprehensible to somebody who doesnt understand trading mechanics.

oh, and as a fully paid up, time-served and hopefully reformed trading muppet, Im allowed to call them that.
 
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OK.

But please let us know if and when you double your stake.

And please keep posting - I don't doubt some are still attempting to get some real significance from your perceived patterns of manipulation.

If the data ends up justifying your position, I'm ready to alter my world view as appropriate.

Never too late to learn!
 
OK.

But please let us know if and when you double your stake.

And please keep posting - I don't doubt some are still attempting to get some real significance from your perceived patterns of manipulation.

If the data ends up justifying your position, I'm ready to alter my world view as appropriate.

Never too late to learn!

no problemo ;)

this is the kind of trader I want to be though

and the JPMorgan SEC filing its from http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/19617/000001961713000354/corpq22013.htm

the chart shows that for six months ended June 30, 2013, the Firm posted market risk-related gains on each of the 128 days in this period with two days exceeding $200 million; there were no loss days in the six months ended June 30, 2013.

that aint no support n resistance fibbywhatsit trading is it now? :D
 

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