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Honestly, is there even the slightest chance of you attempting a proper, objective test of your amazing claims? Or is that out of the question?
 
desertgal said:
No kidding. As chillzero pointed out, this lady believes spirit voices are contacting her through her cell phone, and threatening to invade her television in the future. She doesn't need further experiments. It's possible what she really needs is psychiatric attention, and continuing this thread is not only pointless, but harmful to her.

I know this forum sees this kind of thing a lot, and it's hard to resist trying to get ones like flaccon and scrappy to see logic, but wouldn't it be better to let this one go?
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I've let it go. There's nothing I can do here, and I'll continue searching help elsewhere. Sorry but the GP knows no pills will stop these spirits from spreading, believe or not, time will tell.

I am here now to check out other threads and see what the site has to offer me.
 
trustbutverify said:
Honestly, is there even the slightest chance of you attempting a proper, objective test of your amazing claims? Or is that out of the question?
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Yes there is, but no one was willing to send me a silent generated recording to my email addy. Not sure what folk think I'm going to do with it other than download and play it. Not even sure how I would put that claim into words, but I've tested it enough times to see firm results.
 
tuxcat said:
It's a 106 page monument to one of the woo brigade's tantrums that's for sure. It was interesting for sure, just a pity that flaccon wasted our time and didn't do anything bar work out a complicated procedure to prove pareidolia. And that ghosts most certainly don't exist!
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I wasted no ones time, and only time will tell.
 
flaccon said:
Yes there is, but no one was willing to send me a silent generated recording to my email addy. Not sure what folk think I'm going to do with it other than download and play it. Not even sure how I would put that claim into words, but I've tested it enough times to see firm results.
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Okay. From now on, please don't use weasel words like "tested" and "firm results".

If you play this honestly, you must save this kind of language for after you have shown actual evidence of such successful tests.

No more riddles. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Or this is going nowhere fast.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
Okay. From now on, please don't use weasel words like "tested" and "firm results".

If you play this honestly, you must save this kind of language for after you have shown actual evidence of such successful tests.

No more riddles. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Or this is going nowhere fast.
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I'll use those words for my benefit thanks. This went nowhere here, and I'm happy to let it go.
 
flaccon said:
Yes there is, but no one was willing to send me a silent generated recording to my email addy. Not sure what folk think I'm going to do with it other than download and play it. Not even sure how I would put that claim into words, but I've tested it enough times to see firm results.
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flaccon, this is a lie. Please stop inventing excuses out of whole cloth.

We have repeatedly offered you help in forming a testable claim, but you generally ignore those posts and wander off to other variations of non-evidence.

Caleprime is the latest in trying to accommodate your demands for files despite the lack of a claim. Yeah, you'd need to download the file by clicking on the link he provided. The horrors!!

Your created this thread with many, many claims, all of which have proved false. Meanwhile, you have invented new claims, all of which have proved false. Whatever it is these spirits can do you cannot express in words. Why is that?

You told us these spirits are desperate to deliver a world-saving message, but again it is not something you can express in words. Why is that?
 
flaccon said:
Yes there is, but no one was willing to send me a silent generated recording to my email addy. Not sure what folk think I'm going to do with it other than download and play it. Not even sure how I would put that claim into words, but I've tested it enough times to see firm results.
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The problem is the "test" you're proposing isn't a test (at least from what I understand about what you suggest). You're claim now seems to be that the spirits are altering audio files. That claim failed the only reasonable measurement possible; a digital comparison of the before and after. If you're claiming that the files are changed in such a way as cannot be detected by a clear, objective test, then I'm afraid you don't have a testable claim. You have an opinion.

You're fully entitled to an opinion, but that has no deductive weight or value. An opinion cannot not be falsified, unless it is reformed into a testable claim.

I wonder... If a valid procedure could be devised to properly examine your file-changing claim, would you accept the conclusions resulting from the outcome even if it nullified your beliefs?
 
jsfisher said:
flaccon, this is a lie. Please stop inventing excuses out of whole cloth.

We have repeatedly offered you help in forming a testable claim, but you generally ignore those posts and wander off to other variations of non-evidence.

Caleprime is the latest in trying to accommodate your demands for files despite the lack of a claim. Yeah, you'd need to download the file by clicking on the link he provided. The horrors!!

Your created this thread with many, many claims, all of which have proved false. Meanwhile, you have invented new claims, all of which have proved false. Whatever it is these spirits can do you cannot express in words. Why is that?

You told us these spirits are desperate to deliver a world-saving message, but again it is not something you can express in words. Why is that?
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I created this thread with only one claim, since June they have altered other peoples computers. I am still learning their abilities as it unfolds. I have thanked everyone for helping, and I am seeking help elsewhere now. The world-saving message is one for the Bishops to explain. If I explain it, I'm deluded.

PS, I have not lied once in this thread.
 
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flaccon said:
I'm trying the news papers next. There are 5 of us, 3 with voices on their computers, and 2 family members who can identify their Fathers and sisters voice without doubt.
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If you think we have been rude, just wait for the UK press!

I seriously recommend you don't do this, for your own good.
 
flaccon said:
I created this thread with only one claim, since June they have altered other peoples computers. I am still learning their abilities as it unfolds. I have thanked everyone for helping, and I am seeking help elsewhere now. The world-saving message is one for the Bishops to explain. If I explain it, I'm deluded.
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No one here asked you to explain the message. Simply recite it.


And no, you had multiple claims. Clear, complete sentences. Responsive to questions. Others heard the same things. And so on.
 
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trustbutverify said:
The problem is the "test" you're proposing isn't a test (at least from what I understand about what you suggest). You're claim now seems to be that the spirits are altering audio files. That claim failed the only reasonable measurement possible; a digital comparison of the before and after. If you're claiming that the files are changed in such a way as cannot be detected by a clear, objective test, then I'm afraid you don't have a testable claim. You have an opinion.

You're fully entitled to an opinion, but that has no deductive weight or value. An opinion cannot not be falsified, unless it is reformed into a testable claim.

I wonder... If a valid procedure could be devised to properly examine your file-changing claim, would you accept the conclusions resulting from the outcome even if it nullified your beliefs?
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I tested this method again before my connection died last week. I don't really need to make a claim just yet, I will do the News papers first. I do wonder though, how I would put it into words.
 
flaccon said:
I tested this method again before my connection died last week. I don't really need to make a claim just yet, I will do the News papers first. I do wonder though, how I would put it into words.
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A. What "method" are you referring to?

B. Would you please answer the question I asked at the end of my post?

I wonder... If a valid procedure could be devised to properly examine your file-changing claim, would you accept the conclusions resulting from the outcome even if it nullified your beliefs?
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