Nazi UFO's!! Seriously...

HoverBoarder said:
OK, my apologies in advance if this ever so important of a subject has already been covered, but I just came across it, and found it:

HE-LARIOUS


So let me try to give the summary of it in one long, run-on sentence:

So the Nazis were really into the Occult, and they were really into studying magical science super-duper weapons, and they found Atlantis, but it was not Atlantis, it was Antarctica, which was found by Piri Reis, an Ottoman-Turkish admiral in 1513, and there were warm caverns there where they could have submarine bases, and they sent supplies, and submarines, and scientists there, and they made UFOs there, and the UFOs attacked a US military convoy, but no one talks about that because it is super secret, and the Nazi UFO base is still there as proved by Google Earth, and there are most definitely still Nazi UFOs out there just waiting to strike.


Wheh.

OK, so there is such a thing as the Piri Reis map, and the Nazis (and the Americans) did work on circular aerial vehicles around WWII, but that seems to be where the facts end.


Here is some of the CT info on it:

Russia Admits NAZI UFO BASE IN ANTARCTICA,CONFIRMED BY GOOGLE EARTH TOO

http://www.naziufos.com/

Third Reich - Operation UFO (Nazi Base in Antarctica)



So any takes or amusing anecdotes to add? Or is Nazi UFOs good enough?
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I love Vril discs :D So much fun info on them. Even schematics and everything. Seems like quite the elaborate hoax. Brilliant, just brilliant.
 
Gawdzilla said:
The question was asked as to how this could gain enough traction to be on The History Channel. Well, zero credibility is the norm there now.
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Got that right. Compared to some of the "Celebrity Ghost Stories" garbage on the other channels, Nazi UFOs doesn't seem so laughable. It would be nice to see a family friendly version of Penn & Teller BS to counter some of this.
 
I can see where this got started, the Nazis had some pretty weird jet designs:

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Ts4EVER said:
I can see where this got started, the Nazis had some pretty weird jet designs:
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Hitler's "divide and rule" strategy meant that several different organizations thought they had a go-ahead to design, and in some cases try to build, some rather wild aircraft. Happily, this tends to drain resources from the primary fighting arms. For example, the contrast to the pie-in-the-sky aircraft was the legendary Maus movable fortress tank.
 
Gawdzilla said:
Hitler's "divide and rule" strategy meant that several different organizations thought they had a go-ahead to design, and in some cases try to build, some rather wild aircraft. Happily, this tends to drain resources from the primary fighting arms. For example, the contrast to the pie-in-the-sky aircraft was the legendary Maus movable fortress tank.
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The Maus and the proposed Ratte makes me think that if you wanted to get Hitler to sign off on something you just had to make it big.
 
Gawdzilla said:
Brute force appealed to the WWI veteran. Der kleine böhmischen Gefreiten didn't understand strategy.
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100% true. The irony is that Uncle Joe Stalin was pretty much the same. The difference is that Stalin eventually (after a pretty much disasterous first year )recongnized this, and was content to get the credit of winning the war while letting his generals actually run the war. Hitler insisted on playing general to his dying day.
 
The Ratte was absoultly insane. It would have so little mobility you would be better off just building a fortification for about one third the cost.
 
Gawdzilla said:
They knew this at Wacht-am-Rhein when they put the King Tigers at the rear of the columns and let them keep up if they could.
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Well, the King Tiger was chronically unreliable. Panthers weren't much better.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Well, the King Tiger was chronically unreliable. Panthers weren't much better.
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I read a lot about "paper panzers" and the development of German AFVs. Although there are some terrific historians and fans researching this I always rely on DIE DEUTSCHEN PANZER 1926-1945 BY F.M. VON SENGER UND ETTERLIN He was a General der Panzertruppe. Amazingly, all those zany German paper panzers appear in the text of his book including the Ratte as development concepts.

Sitting happily away in Kubinka Museum outside Moscow is a Maus made up from the turret from one Maus and the vehicle of another.
http://www.tankmuseum.ru/p6.html
(Scroll to the bottom photo)


What's funny is that I can't get into the Museum as I'm a model tank maker.
"Any attempts of the citizens of NO Russian Federation (including former-USSR) to visit museum with the Russian visitors could be qualified as the UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS. The violator could be accused in the ESPIONAGE. In all halls there're the video-camera control and the FSB (former KGB) officials.

Any attempts to leave your travel agent representative and to visit the next military instantiation area could be qualified as the unauthorized access too.

** Please, read carefully this information for the model makers and journalists.
The Russian military officials DO NOT LIKE the model makers (the regular violators of the museum rules):)

http://www.tankmuseum.ru/inf.html
 
The last word in the thread title is "seriously". The answer is no. Seriously no.

It did work (sort of) for Iron Sky. It was better than I expected (but my expectations weren't that high). It is worth a watch if you like campy spoofy humor, and as it was done on a shoe string budget (for a film involving so many special effects), IMO the production values are pretty danged good.
 
BazBear said:
It did work (sort of) for Iron Sky. It was better than I expected (but my expectations weren't that high). It is worth a watch if you like campy spoofy humor, and as it was done on a shoe string budget (for a film involving so many special effects), IMO the production values are pretty danged good.
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Peter Jackson, is funding a "Monster killing Nazis" film called Panzer88. It will be interesting because it includes "paper panzers" and "blueprint aircraft".
http://collider.com/panzer-88-plot-details-concept-art/

There is a fan based website called "Luft46" that has models and artwork of German "blueprint aircraft"
http://www.luft46.com/luftart.html
 
I've been looking for any serious documentation about the rumored "feuerball" and "kugelblitz".

References to kugelblitz in Intercept UFO by Renato Vesco :
http://books.google.fr/books?id=4o7ZAAAAMAAJ&q=Kugelblitz

References to kugelblitz in Man-made UFOs 1944-1994: 50 Years of Suppression by Renato Vesco, David Hatcher Childress
http://books.google.fr/books?id=cZw5HQ07BXUC&q=Kugelblitz

According to http://foofighters.greyfalcon.us/foo1.html :
Was there a German anti-aircraft device known as KUGELBLITZ?

Yes. There are two known declassified documents which describe the machine.

The British report appears in the BIOS intelligence publications. From this, we know that the KUGELBLITZ was an anti-aircraft device, had a hydrogen peroxide system. So, what of its speed, rate of climb, warhead, range, hull form? Mind your own business.

The American report was obtained recently under the Freedom of Information Act. The few patches not blacked out tell us that the KUGELBLITZ was an anti-aircraft weapon due to enter service in March 1945.
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However, these declassified documents are hard to find. Does anyone know anything about them? Where to read them?

I suspect the only actual anti-aircraft weapon named kugelblitz is this one (note the March 1945 date for start of production) :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelblitz
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/kugel.htm#kugel
 
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nablator said:
I've been looking for any serious documentation about the rumored "feuerball" and "kugelblitz".
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I think you are seeking information about an aircraft rather than the anti aircraft tank, called the KugelBlitz. The last link you offered, from Achtung Panzer, concerned the tank. The photo from that link is real and from the personal collection of the wartime General of Panzertruppen, Von Segner und Etterlin. The photos were retouched for a 1950s book and look a bit fake.

An example of the turret exists in a museum ( photo below).

I was unable to find any credible information for the Kugelblitz aircraft. Some say it is also called the Focke-Wulf 500. Another webpage said that this was a fan based fabrication. Here is the link to the webpage that suggests the aircraft is only imaginary.

Good luck with your investigation.
http://www.luft46.com/dsart/ds500.html
 

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The German wikipedia article for "Foo-Fighter" points out that both sides accused each other for this phenomenon. So the alleged existence of those Anglo reports could originate in intercepted but badly translated communication. Because if you check the German wikipedia article for "Kugelblitz", you will find that the word is the name of the phenomenon known as ball lighteningWP in English. "Either it's the enemy or a Kugelblitz", etc pp.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Good luck with your investigation.
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Thanks. There are several proposed designs on the web. Since the rumors started with Renato Vesco's book, which did not give many details, it looks like everyone let their imagination run wild.

Childlike Empress said:
The German wikipedia article for "Foo-Fighter" points out that both sides accused each other for this phenomenon. So the alleged existence of those Anglo reports could originate in intercepted but badly translated communication. Because if you check the German wikipedia article for "Kugelblitz", you will find that the word is the name of the phenomenon known as ball lighteningWP in English. "Either it's the enemy or a Kugelblitz", etc pp.
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It is possible. There was a widespread belief that foo-fighters were some kind of enemy weapon.

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One declassified document mentions radio-controlled "PHOO" bombs. It is probably speculation:

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Since the (unknown) alleged American declassified document seems to point to the panzer Kugelblitz (same Mars 1945 date) instead of the alleged aircraft, it is very possible that the Kugelblitz aircraft never existed. However, I would like to read the BIOS Final Report No 61: Weapons/Volkerode. It may be the only evidence supporting its existence.

Unfortunately the collection of BIOS documents here does not include #61 :
http://www.cdvandt.org/fiat-cios-bios.htm

Does anyone know where it could be read? National Archives? Library?
 
I checked my extensive library of German language high weirdness books and in an especially weird one, I found a remark that while they (called Feuerball = fireball, not Kugelblitz) were developed in Germany at the end of the war, the phenomenon didn't stop with the end of the war, but intensified and an enhanced version of this technology manifested in so-called Green fireballsWP in the late 40s in the USA. That's a long wikipedia article I didn't read, but maybe delivers you some clues. Apparently there have been investigations. Oh, and btw, the Nazis control the solar system. Says the book. ;)
 
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