Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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The amendments to the European Patent Application can be seen here:

register.epo.org/application?number=EP08873805&lng=en&tab=doclist


It's interesting mostly in that he completely avoids mentioning the catalyst issue, entirely. Just dropping the catalyst from the claim won't get him off the hook for this though, as the catalyst is still mentioned in the description (See page 5), and his public statements are still usable against him.

One interesting thing he's added is that the metal tube must now be a copper metal tube. He uses this to distinguish his device from the prior art, and also indicates that the description stresses that "the metal pair of nickel and copper is used" and "is fundamental for achieving the energy generating reactions".

The only problem is, I can't find anywhere where he "stresses" that the tube must be copper. He mentions the use of cooper in passing a few times, but makes no indication that this is an essential feature. Indeed, at one point, he does the exact opposite, where, on page 4, lines 31-32, he describes the tube as being "preferably, though not exclusively, made of a metal", which implies both that the metal could be any metal, not just copper, and that even a metal tube isn't necessary, implying you could use something like plastic, glass or ceramics. This new insistence that a copper tube is essential to the operation of the system would be considered "new matter", and you're not allowed to add such new matter this late in the game.

There doesn't seem to be anything new filed in the US case, which is US20110005506. It's harder to link directly the the US site, but you can search for that number here:

portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair

Hi Horatius

thanks for that. Yes I was wrong. Subsequent to making my post above I discovered my errors(USPO for USPTO instead of EPO), returned to correct them, and found that you've already done a much better job of it than I could.

My source was shutdownrossi. New Energy Times also has some good stuff about Rossi and his frauds.
 
Hi Horatius

thanks for that. Yes I was wrong. Subsequent to making my post above I discovered my errors(USPO for USPTO instead of EPO), returned to correct them, and found that you've already done a much better job of it than I could.



Thanks! Patent related stuff is my biggest contribution to the forum, so I really enjoy a chance to show off :D
 
Here's a question. A patent application is a legal document, right? Do you have to sign at the bottom and swear that "to the best of my knowledge and belief" the document is true? Certainly I have to do something like that on federal grant applications.

Is there any sense in which lying on a patent application is a crime? (It's a federal crime to lie on a federal grant application, as the occasional data-faking scientist has discovered. And I'm pretty sure that the felony is, formally speaking, lying on the application, although I doubt anyone would bother to investigate/prosecute in cases where the fake grant is simply denied.) Lying in court is perjury, and I presume that this includes lying on any of the various documents filed in court.

Just curious.
 
I'm not aware of any jurisdiction in which lying on a patent application would be considered a crime.

However, if you can demonstrate that they have lied at some point in the prosecution, you can often declare that they are acting in "bad faith", which gives you more opportunities to deny the patent. That's not as good as sending them to jail, but you work with what you have.

Of course, the real trick is proving they're acting in bad faith, and are not just honestly wrong, stupid or delusional. The system is set up to give applicants the benefit of the doubt, which I'm sure most of us here can see makes it ripe for exploitation.
 
More On Rossi's E-Cat: Ericsson And Pomp Rebut "Independent" Test

http://www.science20.com/quantum_di...icsson_and_pomp_rebut_independent_test-116259

In their conclusions, Ericsson and Pomp insist on their hard-pounding the authors of the study by Levi et al., talking of "wishful thinking" and again of pseudo-science. In academic terms, this is about as bad as it gets. The next step is defenestration from one's sixth-floor office.

About time somebody was as blunt as this.
 
About time somebody was as blunt as this.
Rossi-ites seem indifferent to academic criticism. Mainstream science is a mere creature of Big Energy, or scientists are closed minded and blind to new discoveries. Such are their opinions.
 
Rossi-ites seem indifferent to academic criticism. Mainstream science is a mere creature of Big Energy, or scientists are closed minded and blind to new discoveries. Such are their opinions.

Yes, but then they court scientific approval. Their disdain of science is a little hollow.
 
Rossi-ites seem indifferent to academic criticism. Mainstream science is a mere creature of Big Energy, or scientists are closed minded and blind to new discoveries. Such are their opinions.

I always found the argument about big energy, big oil, etc., suppressing such "technology" to safeguard their profits the most idiotic of all. Such companies are not charities. They want to make profit, lots of it. If such a thing like the e-cat would work, they would be all over it, would have bought the patents, technology and inventors.

After all, right now they have to spend lots of money to drill for oil, dig for coal, extract gas, produce electricity, etc. It's simply not plausible that they would continue with that if they could get a technology that would require an incredibly neglible amount of "fuel", and really cheap too, to produce the same amount energy, while they could happily continue to charge the customers the same price that they now charge, thus massively increasing their profits.

Those crackpots really seem to lack the capability to think such things through...

Greetings,

Chris
 
I always found the argument about big energy, big oil, etc., suppressing such "technology" to safeguard their profits the most idiotic of all. Such companies are not charities. They want to make profit, lots of it. If such a thing like the e-cat would work, they would be all over it, would have bought the patents, technology and inventors.

After all, right now they have to spend lots of money to drill for oil, dig for coal, extract gas, produce electricity, etc. It's simply not plausible that they would continue with that if they could get a technology that would require an incredibly neglible amount of "fuel", and really cheap too, to produce the same amount energy, while they could happily continue to charge the customers the same price that they now charge, thus massively increasing their profits.

Those crackpots really seem to lack the capability to think such things through...

Greetings,

Chris
You miss the point.

These technologies are bought by Big Whatever and suppressed until such time as Big Whatever's product/resource runs out and then they market the new technology.
 
You miss the point.

These technologies are bought by Big Whatever and suppressed until such time as Big Whatever's product/resource runs out and then they market the new technology.
I'd like examples too. But even if there are examples, Rossi's energy contraption is not one of them. He claims to have sold more than one of these devices. He has claimed to have production facilities in more than one country. He is selling licences to market his products in various parts of the world. None of these operations has been impeded by the intrusion of Big Whatever, as far as I can see.

The same goes for his former partners and now competitors at Defkalion. This operation was launched with much fanfare in Greece, but now seems to have migrated to a shop front in Homer Street, Vancouver, BC. Far from being in danger at the hands of the agents of Big Whatever, Defkalion appears to be peacefully seeking science fund grants from the Provincial government to complete its research and development programme.
 
I'd like examples too. But even if there are examples, Rossi's energy contraption is not one of them. He claims to have sold more than one of these devices. He has claimed to have production facilities in more than one country. He is selling licences to market his products in various parts of the world. None of these operations has been impeded by the intrusion of Big Whatever, as far as I can see.

The same goes for his former partners and now competitors at Defkalion. This operation was launched with much fanfare in Greece, but now seems to have migrated to a shop front in Homer Street, Vancouver, BC. Far from being in danger at the hands of the agents of Big Whatever, Defkalion appears to be peacefully seeking science fund grants from the Provincial government to complete its research and development programme.

Yes, and furthermore, I still haven't heard a peep yet from any of those claimed "buyers" about their purchase! Gee, I wonder why... Surely they could demonstrate the device, no? But they don't.

(Has there been a peep, though? Or am I right on this as I think?)


(Woo, 2000 posts! :) )
 
Yes, and furthermore, I still haven't heard a peep yet from any of those claimed "buyers" about their purchase! Gee, I wonder why... Surely they could demonstrate the device, no? But they don't.

(Has there been a peep, though? Or am I right on this as I think?)


(Woo, 2000 posts! :) )
Congrats on the 2000!

If you look at http://shutdownrossi.com/ you will see a mugshot of a mysterious person who is supposed to be the representative for a buyer of one of Rossi's MW devices. Neither he nor the buyer has ever been named, and no report on the operation of the machine since its (alleged) delivery has ever been made. Surprising for a device that overturns the most fundamental known laws of nature, and promises to solve humanity's most pressing and intractable problems at a single stroke.
 
Neither he nor the buyer has ever been named, and no report on the operation of the machine since its (alleged) delivery has ever been made.

Nor has the buyer released a proud report to their investors. Nor have they added a big "made with 100% green energy" to their marketing literature. Nor, as far as anyone has heard, have they filed for green energy tax credits with their government.

Maybe Rossi has surrounded his customers with his magic gamma-ray shielding. They're there, they're just undetectable. :)
 
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