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Jack by the hedge said:
OK. Listening to the spirit-free version I hear a lot of hiss, a bit of clicky noise around 4 seconds, a single faint click at 17s and a keyboard-ish clack right at the end.
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Clicky noise at 4sec was me moving my finger across the touchpad and the clack right at the end is me clicking the stop button.
 
Pup said:
Kudos to Biscuit for posting a good illustration of how this works.
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Thank you.
Pup said:
Excellent illustration of what's going on. I also wonder if listening with an American accent affects things. In other words, I'm probably hard-wired to try to fit garbled sounds into an American speaking, rather than a Brit. Not sure what difference that makes though.
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The test would be to get the spirits to say "aluminum.":D
 
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flaccon said:
There isn't a budgie present, its probably/possibly/likely noise from the spirit world, or not. The sentence I hear, I have never said before in my entire life. If you listen @ 0.5 seconds, there is a more quiet high-pitch voice saying "She wasn't speaking"

I asked jsfisher to block the image off the recording. I'm in a quiet room, I have head phones on, and my lips are closed at all times.
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flaccon, as we stand right now, I can reproduce results similar to yours without even the need for a mic. I find myself utterly unmotivated to expend any more effort.

ETA: Ooo, unless someone else wants me to try something, we have 14 more days of trial left on this wonderfully poorly designed software. I am game to give anything a whirl.
 
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abaddon said:
flaccon, as we stand right now, I can reproduce results similar to yours without even the need for a mic. I find myself utterly unmotivated to expend any more effort.
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Problem is that flaccon doesn't use Audacity and save the audio as a .wav or a FLAC for reasons unknown. I don't see why the video portion matters; it sound we're interested in not video so it's irrelevant whether there's video or not.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
Hi flaccon,

As we found out very early in this thread, you use crappy equipment to listen to crappy recordings. Then you make out sentences on them that no one else hears, except your close associates, and it is far from evident that they hear what you hear.

The set-up you have for recording is incredibly unreliable. You make all the efforts you can muster to encourage glitches and noise. You are not familiar with the equipment you are using. You are not familiar with digital sound signals and how they behave. You are not familiar with pareidolia. You are not familiar with the scientific method of enquiry. You are not familiar with skeptics. How can you possibly be the one to explain the noises you end up with?

All we have so far are a few witnesses who are far from credible and some recordings, very many of which have been listened to by many skeptics, none of whom heard anything near what you allegedly heard.

Not that it would make much of a difference if we did. It would just mean we need to find out where on earth the order amid the noisy chaos comes from. The spirit world is not the first possible cause on the list. Far from it.




There is indeed what sounds like a man on the flaccon1 recording. Even if you don’t know who it is, it doesn’t mean he’s a spirit. Just because we can’t know who this person is, or how he was recorded, it doesn’t follow that he’s a spirit.


Unless someone comes along with a better idea, I impatiently await your video of yourself in action, doing whatever it is you do. If that fun little summer movie shows that your recordings are answering your questions, all that’s left is eliminating trickery and mundane explanations. Then you’re rich and you can build a real Edison machine.

But remember that the results cannot be open to interpretation. That is key.
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Before I allow any stranger into my home, and before I video myself off looking like a bigger idiot, I will continue to press for the preliminary test of altering a silent file with either noise suggestive of words, or significant differences in some way.
 
flaccon said:
There isn't a budgie present, its probably/possibly/likely noise from the spirit world, or not. The sentence I hear, I have never said before in my entire life. If you listen @ 0.5 seconds, there is a more quiet high-pitch voice saying "She wasn't speaking"

I asked jsfisher to block the image off the recording. I'm in a quiet room, I have head phones on, and my lips are closed at all times.
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So what you're actually saying is that you have a recording of people talking and a budgie chirping and the woman in the recording sounds like you but can't be you since you have never said "Alfie's getting on fine" or whatever it is she says.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
So what you're actually saying is that you have a recording of people talking and a budgie chirping and the woman in the recording sounds like you but can't be you since you have never said "Alfie's getting on fine" or whatever it is she says.
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You hear Alfie, I don't.
 
Biscuit said:
Just for fun I have been looking for an online demonstration of audio pardolia and I found these two clips that might be of some use is demonstrating the powerful effect of your brains desire to interpret noise to scrappy and flaccon.

Listen to audio clip number 1 a few times and write down what you hear.

Then listen to audio clip number 2 just once should do. Now go back and listen to #1 again.

Be honest with your results and maybe you'll understand this a bit better.
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Flaccon, we have tried for nearly 100 pages to understand your claims (or as close as we can get to claims) its time you took a few moments to try and understand our explanation for what you are experiencing.
 
Download that file, see whether or not the spirits speak. If they do then send it to someone for re-uploading and hashing.
 
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tuxcat said:
ambient110713.wav has been uploaded to www.box.com/alderbank. It's a 20 second wav of ambient noise - there are no voices in it because everyone else in the house is asleep and they are not in my office/lair.

A lot of white noise from the cooling fan as it's an internal mic.
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This isn't playing quiet for me, it is very loud, and there is knocking going on. I recall that Alderbank created a quiet recording, and uploaded it to Box.com, and it remained quiet.
 
flaccon said:
Before I allow any stranger into my home, and before I video myself off looking like a bigger idiot, I will continue to press for the preliminary test of altering a silent file with either noise suggestive of words, or significant differences in some way.
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You can have anyone record this video. It certainly doesn't need to be a stranger. Your reluctance is quite eloquent, thank you. Carry on with looking for the spirits of the gaps, then.



I will add that I, like others, am starting to see a lot of dishonesty in your discourse. Like claiming you were alone with your laptop when you were obviously having an argument with someone. For example.
 
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abaddon said:
flaccon, as we stand right now, I can reproduce results similar to yours without even the need for a mic. I find myself utterly unmotivated to expend any more effort.

ETA: Ooo, unless someone else wants me to try something, we have 14 more days of trial left on this wonderfully poorly designed software. I am game to give anything a whirl.
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See if anyone can figure out what your pets are saying.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
You can have anyone record this video. It certainly doesn't need to be a stranger. Your reluctance is quite eloquent, thank you. Carry on with looking for the spirits of the gaps, then.



I will add that I, like others, am starting to see a lot of dishonesty in your discourse. Like claiming you were alone with your laptop when you were obviously having an argument with someone. For example.
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I was alone Maurice, and I was not having an argument. I was in a library, alone in a quiet room. My lips are closed. Its a step up though isn't it, we just might be moving on from Paredolia to dishonesty? trickey? It's all truth though Maurice.
 
flaccon said:
This isn't playing quiet for me, it is very loud, and there is knocking going on. I recall that Alderbank created a quiet recording, and uploaded it to Box.com, and it remained quiet.
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ambient110713.wav:

I hear moderately loud white noise. And the "knocking" is the exact sound you hear every time someone picks up a mic from a table, or click a button on pretty much any recording device, old and new. We've all heard it a million times.

Any little noise very close to a mic will sound like that. Nothing weird in that recording. Are you even serious? It's perfectly consistent with a laptop built-in mic picking up fan noise and nearby activity, like clicking buttons.

Not even weird. This recording is as close to spirits talking as the blood art is close to, well, art.

You;re going to have to do way, way, way better than that.
 
tuxcat said:
Problem is that flaccon doesn't use Audacity and save the audio as a .wav or a FLAC for reasons unknown. I don't see why the video portion matters; it sound we're interested in not video so it's irrelevant whether there's video or not.
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Audacity is actually a nice slick enough piece, of which I was unaware before this thread. It is slick enough that I am motivated to become slick at that. It's a nice piece of kit to add to your aresnal.

In my analysis, such as it was, that was the one download and install that made me go "Aha, professionals at work, and for free too".

I had never used it before, but even for it's tangential participitation on this thread, I immediately thought "Nice, that's how you do it"

Youcam? just plain flat out awful. A software product without a cause.
The only good reason I can come up with is to verify my claims. And that is a fine aim. Let the FSM be your guide, because it is a nightmare of nonesense.

Perhaps I should stop now.
 
flaccon said:
I was alone Maurice, and I was not having an argument. I was in a library, alone in a quiet room. My lips are closed. Its a step up though isn't it, we just might be moving on from Paredolia to dishonesty? trickey? It's all truth Maurice.
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Your lips were sealed when the video was recorded, but that video is not contemporaneous with when the audio was recorded.

If that's your voice, then you were trying to presuade a man on the phone to tell the other caller that (Alfie?) was getting along fine and not to worry (or something which sounded like that to me). And you repeated it 3 times to try to persuade him to pass on the message but I imagine he could hardly hear himself think over that and the budgie whistling and chirping away and another male voice which might have been another person but might have been the TV or radio.

So anyway, what does your voice say in that recording?
 
flaccon said:
I was alone Maurice, and I was not having an argument. I was in a library, alone in a quiet room. My lips are closed. Its a step up though isn't it, we just might be moving on from Paredolia to dishonesty? trickey? It's all truth though Maurice.
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All truth? Sure buddy, If I wasn't so lazy, I'd gather all your contradictions and flip-flops. It might contain too many characters to post.
 
tuxcat said:
Download that file, see whether or not the spirits speak. If they do then send it to someone for re-uploading and hashing.
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Its terribly noisy, and there is knocking. Thank u anyway, but its just too noisy, or at least, it is when I hear it.
 
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