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Well said. These are points that make me quite sure we are not dealing with an internet hoax.

We are not competing with clever trolls. We're faced with people intoxicated by the paranormal. Life after death, spirits, demons, ghosts... this story has a lot to offer the credulous.

Simple things like fact-checking and consistency go by the wayside when such 'awesome, wonderful' issues are at stake. Fact-checking and consistency are terrestrial, mundane stuff.

The paranormal offers a cheap thrill, a high, a sense of being special.

What do we offer? Cold hard facts and the relief of understanding.

Ah, but that relief is so, so sweet. Like flavour country.
 
Hello i am dblue 54 "mr bulger i will not reply to anyone in this thread . i saw wot happened to tracey i saw wot happened to tracey ;i know voices when i hear them; and i have the spirit voice on my laptop now .thank you ;dblue.

Welcome to the forum, Mr Bulger! :w2:

But why did you join if you won't reply to anyone?

Kind regards

Orph.
 
Well said. These are points that make me quite sure we are not dealing with an internet hoax.

We are not competing with clever trolls. We're faced with people intoxicated by the paranormal. Life after death, spirits, demons, ghosts... this story has a lot to offer the credulous.

Simple things like fact-checking and consistency go by the wayside when such 'awesome, wonderful' issues are at stake. Fact-checking and consistency are terrestrial, mundane stuff.

The paranormal offers a cheap thrill, a high, a sense of being special.
What do we offer? Cold hard facts and the relief of understanding.

Actually becoming special usually requires lots of talent, brutal hard work, massive discipline, big time risk exposure and a generous serving of luck. Absent these, claiming to have magic powers is probably the most likely avenue remaining.
 
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Well put.
Sometimes, though, being a follower of someone with 'magic' powers is enough.
 
Well said. These are points that make me quite sure we are not dealing with an internet hoax.
I agree, but even if there's a chance that's what it is I prefer to give the posters who come here the benefit of the doubt, and the courtesy of assuming they're sincere.

If they're not and are having a good laugh at my expense that's their shame, not mine. If I'm amusing a moron it costs me nothing, and I would rather risk that than risk alienating someone who genuinely needs my help to rid themselves of potentially harmful ignorant superstition, even when that help is almost always angrily rejected.
 
Off-topic posts split to AAH.

Please keep to the topic of the thread, which is not each other, and be civil.

As a reminder, if you have any suspicions about a member having multiple accounts, use the report button, do not post them in-thread.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin
 
Mr Bulger i am your own voice . i speak through user Vortigern99 who accidentally capitalized the first letter of his nickname, a very un-spirit thing to do . So when you hear your own voice speaking in entangled spirit cuddle-puddles on tracey's calibrated machine strongly recommending that you read The DaVinci Code , that's actually Vortigern99's living spirit ventriloquizing perfectly sensible information that he personally finds ridiculous but which his spirit thinks is hands-on calibrated for quantum mountain climbing .
'Scuse me, but Synthetic Dave is going to become quite stressed with not being able to take a breath when reading. He is doing his best though, as he is pprogrammed to do! :D
 
I am online at a local hotspot. After reading such utter nonsense, assumptions and lies, I'm feeling rather depleted here.

Alderbank, I would like to write my own evaluation of your unexpected visit that Tuesday. I also feel that I should "put right" all that you have put wrong so far. It appears that you completely alter words, have omitted other words, and clearly you are dreaming up nonsensical stories. I ask you why? Please do not say you are helping me, as you are very much unnerving me.

I have to mention that I consider it very rude to contact me out of the blue again, only to report back things I did not say. I hope you will not make a habit of phoning and then telling others of silly chewing gum stories, it's difficult enough. I do realise how ridiculous I sound without you adding injury to insult, and why on earth would you accuse me of frightening your child? because you thought what??? An apology Alderbank, does not dismiss your capability, nor instil me with comfort to work with you. Your blind accusations and judgements are a problem, and it is causing a lot of unnecessary trouble. I spoke to you with accuracy the other night.

It appears to me that whenever I have tried to put your words right, you tell others that I am being dishonest, I have not told one lie here, and for those of you who think they are wasting their time here, please stop posting. If you continue to post, do not blame me for wasting your time. I do not care for the harsh treatment here, I am merely trying to get to the bottom of what is happening around me.

Alderbank, I stopped replying to your posts after such angry and threatening behaviour. That was quite frightening. Also, I will work with no man who will not offer his contact details freely. It is very un-gentleman-like as well as ignorant. Trust is a two-way street and if you held no trust at all, you should never have stepped up, and entered into my home. Your opinion of me was obviously already formed.


Alderbank phoned me 90 minutes before arriving here. There was no mention within that phone call of a third man attending this meet. Why? Had I known this, I would have asked my son to stay. Instead I cancelled the evening with my son, and sent him home.

THE MEET; Alderbank, accompanied by an unexpected third party arrived just after 7pm. Drinks were made and we then discussed certain issues. At 7.40pm, we listened into a few selected recordings. Considering I had 90 minutes notice, I had quickly chosen a few clear recordings, each with different tones/voices (some were quiet, but clearly identifiable as words being spoken) As Alderbank stated within his evaluation, I first referred him to the message "like" "We don't want the card tricks, it's dangerous playing games with spirits" I considered this a very important message. This message has since been heard by 4 other people.

After this, we chatted further and I then played Alderbank the record titled "EVIDENCE" Alderbank expressed immediate suprise and asked if that was the same recording originally uploaded. He then agreed that yes recordings do indeed distort/lose quality after uploading to other computers. Alderbank also added that it was a lot clearer hearing it first hand.

Alderbank sat and looked at the speaker in front of him, his ear approximately 1.5 to 2 feet away from it. I then chose the more louder recordings, the raw EVP and the full sentence that my Father had spoken to my brother in his own tone. I then picked up Alderbanks speaker and suggested he hold it closer to his ear. Alderbank took the speaker and aimed it towards his ear. (As Alderbank confessed to me in a recent phonecall he made "It is a bit scary" referring to the voices) The third party was approximately 3 to 4 feet away from the speakers, and the speakers were not facing him. I suggested he get closer to the speaker. He did this for approximately 0.30 seconds. He then stood up and listened from a distance, where I played a record containing the words "The Devil" within a sentence. The third party heard these words and said without prompt "I hear.. "The Devil.." being 4 feet away with the speakers turned away from him, he heard words. Alderbank appeared dis-interested? reluctant? to hear any more recordings after this particular recording. This is the reason why I did not get to play him the recordings containing his and Pixels name. We chatted a further 10 minutes, did a quick fresh recording (I still have it, and what it says) The end. Alderbank and the third party were out the door as I was explaining that I have more serious recordings of the darker forces, he replied that it was best not to hear out those ones.

Jsfisher. Mr Roberts played me 2 recordings of your over the phone. I heard one steady sound all the way through. When I managed 5 minutes online I downloaded your files and I heard odd interferences, and a voice calling Robin. When Mr Roberts replayed the message to me, it had very much altered identically. I am stumped for now as to why ALL the originals did not alter. What part of the world are you in? Cound you send me a WAV file instead of a WMA? I would like you to send this to both Mr Roberts and myself. I will hear his first, before I download it to this machine. Thanks for this Jsfisher.
 
Welcome back flaccon :welcome4 . There's a thread about designing a protocol so that the claims can be tested that was opened last week.

ETA: As I suggested earlier on the best thing to prevent "he said that, I said this" from happening is to video the proceedings so that a record is kept.
 
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Whoever mentioned "intoxicating in the paranormal" are way off the mark. I am 20 years on the run, and a further 8 months down the line praying for the Church to help me.
 
2732 Tuxcat, Excellent thank you. I was thinking of 2 observers and 2 to 3 participants.
 
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Excellent thank you. I was thinking of 2 observers and 2 to 3 participants.

What is this in response to? When you are responding to something someone posted, you need to chose the "quote" button in the lower right-hand corner of the box, so we know exactly what you are replying to. Otherwise, it appears you are just making random statements out loud to no one, you know - kind of like crazy people do.
 
Jsfisher. Mr Roberts played me 2 recordings of your over the phone. I heard one steady sound all the way through. When I managed 5 minutes online I downloaded your files and I heard odd interferences, and a voice calling Robin. When Mr Roberts replayed the message to me, it had very much altered identically. I am stumped for now as to why ALL the originals did not alter. What part of the world are you in? Cound you send me a WAV file instead of a WMA? I would like you to send this to both Mr Roberts and myself. I will hear his first, before I download it to this machine. Thanks for this Jsfisher.


flaccon, all four of the files I have sent to you have been .WAV files.
 
I am really cheesed off at having little and no internet since last Nov. I called talktalk and they are sending out an engineer on Wednesday. Hopefully this will resolve my internet issues.
 
ref to 2701: why are you actually asking this?

Why is who asking what? Without any reference, that sentence fragment is as useful as a chocolate helmet.

ETA: And that is totally dishonest, while I posted, you added the "ref to 2701" part. No "ETA", as is common courtesy around these parts.

And you wonder why your credibility has nosedived.
 
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jsfisher, They seem to download here as WMA, not sure why
JREF is messed up. I am replying to posts on the post itself, but my reply seems to enter into a box of its own.
 
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