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scrappy said:
Yes I am sure thank you .
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You might wish to reconsider inserting spaces before your punctuation. Another poster of ill repute was often identified by that characteristic, and you really don't want to be associated with it.

If Flaccon was really bothered, she could post via wifi hotspot. If I had urgent information from the spirits to impart, then within minutes, I could be at a wifi hotspot for free, imparting that information for free. Even the MacDonalds two minutes down the road offers free wifi, and you can get it from the car park without even leaving your car and entering the grotty commercial spam that is Mickey D. Two minutes in the opposite direction, there's a hotel. Same deal, enter their car park, crank up your laptop, free wifi. It's ubiquitous.

Now, TBH, when my connection goes west, which it does from time to time, I shrug and go do something else. If the downtime gets onerous, I might make a support call. I know that two minutes away is a free connection, one north, one south. I have never used either, even though I am aware of their presence. But if I had "a really important message" to share with the world, I would make that two minute trip to get the word out. Flaccon just goes "Meh, connection down, message not really that important". IOW, flaccon doesn't believe it either.
 
scrappy said:
No I have never met her father ,just getting fed up of the insults on here . All the name calling saying we are the same person .
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scrappy,

I encourage you to continue posting here, but we can be a lot to take. If you will be in Chester on Wednesday, please continue to communicate with Alderbank (either here or through private messages). Our written communication has clearly not been particularly effective nor efficient. I think if you could sit down and have a conversation with Alderbank, it would be much easier.

Thank you,

Ward
 
scrappy said:
No I have never met her father ,just getting fed up of the insults on here . All the name calling saying we are the same person .
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If you never met the bloke, how can you know it is his voice?

If you are insulted in any thread, simply report the offending post. The mods will then take appropriate action. I bet you have reported no posts. It could be that you do not know how, so here is how. To report a post, click the wee triangle with an exclamation mark in it. It is found at the bottom left of every post made, in order that you can report each and every post in violation of the MA individually and distinctly.

I suspect you actually know this, but have declined to do so because in some way you actually recognise that such accusations would not bear scrutiny of any shade or colour, but would shine a brighter rational light on your claims, which is the last thing you want. You do not want the spotlight of rational scientific examination levelled at your cherished belief. You want to lurk in the medieval darkness of superstition, the only place where the dank superstitious nonsense can thrive on the ignorance of others.
 
abaddon said:
If you never met the bloke, how can you know it is his voice?

If you are insulted in any thread, simply report the offending post. The mods will then take appropriate action. I bet you have reported no posts. It could be that you do not know how, so here is how. To report a post, click the wee triangle with an exclamation mark in it. It is found at the bottom left of every post made, in order that you can report each and every post in violation of the MA individually and distinctly.

I suspect you actually know this, but have declined to do so because in some way you actually recognise that such accusations would not bear scrutiny of any shade or colour, but would shine a brighter rational light on your claims, which is the last thing you want. You do not want the spotlight of rational scientific examination levelled at your cherished belief. You want to lurk in the medieval darkness of superstition, the only place where the dank superstitious nonsense can thrive on the ignorance of others.
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To be fair, we did have a few posts mildly suggesting the S word. They were appropriately sent to heck by the powers that be.

But no one has questioned it since. I'm sure everyone here believes he is Mr. Roberts.

I just wish there was more honest cooperation toward getting to the bottom of all this. At this rate I'll still be subscribing to this thread when Peru wins the world cup.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
To be fair, we did have a few posts mildly suggesting the S word. They were appropriately sent to heck by the powers that be.

But no one has questioned it since. I'm sure everyone here believes he is Mr. Roberts.
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True, but my post. to which you responded, made no such suggestion.

Maurice Ledifficile said:
I just wish there was more honest cooperation toward getting to the bottom of all this. At this rate I'll still be subscribing to this thread when Peru wins the world cup.
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scrappy, for whatever reason, believes, yet cannot justify said belief. I really want to know how exactly scrappy knows that is flaccon's father's voice if scrappy never heard it in life.
 
abaddon said:
True, but my post. to which you responded, made no such suggestion.

scrappy, for whatever reason, believes, yet cannot justify said belief. I really want to know how exactly scrappy knows that is flaccon's father's voice if scrappy never heard it in life.
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I never meant to insinuate you made any such suggestion. Just pointing out that the "insults", though real, were not all that insulting, that there weren't many, and that they're gone.

Since this is probably distracting, here is a reiteration of my favourite unanswered question:

How does scrappy recognize a voice he has never heard?
 
wardenclyffe said:
scrappy,

I encourage you to continue posting here, but we can be a lot to take. If you will be in Chester on Wednesday, please continue to communicate with Alderbank (either here or through private messages). Our written communication has clearly not been particularly effective nor efficient. I think if you could sit down and have a conversation with Alderbank, it would be much easier.
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scrappy/Mr Roberts has several times kindly invited me to meet him in Chester and I have always agreed. I look forward to it.

Mr Roberts, can I buy you dinner at 7pm on Wednesday in the Ring O'Bells at Christleton (Voted Chester's Best Pub at the Chester Food and Drink Awards) which is not far from where Tracy lives?

I can explain to you how we see things and how we can help you and Tracy to establish what is going on, how we understand testing and in particular how we can help you to apply successfully for Aske and other prizes.

If you want to change the venue or date just reply to me through this Forum (the best way) or by PM, or email me at alderbank@talktalk.net
 
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scrappy said:
No I have never met her father ,just getting fed up of the insults on here . All the name calling saying we are the same person .
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How is "did you ever meet Flaccon's father" an insult, name calling, or saying you are the same person?

Anyway, if you never met him, how were you able to recognise "full sentences in her fathers voice"?
 
Foolmewunz said:
I'm nothing if not late to the party. When Scrappy showed up after I thought this thread would die, I finally listened. And I, aso, heard nothing.

1 Alderbank
2 Donn
3 Biscuit
4 Orphia Nay
5 Slowvehicle
6 IXP
7 AdMan
8 Drs_Res
9 jsfisher
10 blue sock monkey
11 trustbutverify
12 John Jones
13 Blue Bubble
14 Maurice Ledifficile
15 Abaddon
16 Jack by the Hedge
17 pakeha
18 xterra
19 Quinn
20 Empress
21 tsig
22 Daylightstar
23 Agatha
24 asydhouse
25 Old man
26 Squeegee Beckenheim
27 dlorde
28 Lucian
29 Tuxcat
30 Foolmewunz...
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Long time lurker, first time poster.

31 EHocking
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
I never meant to insinuate you made any such suggestion. Just pointing out that the "insults", though real, were not all that insulting, that there weren't many, and that they're gone.

Since this is probably distracting, here is a reiteration of my favourite unanswered question:

How does scrappy recognize a voice he has never heard?
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And I did not mean to insinuate that you insinuated that. :D

We are both asking the same basic question, yet seeing no reply to that query. One has to wonder why that is. Perhaps questioning the spirits validity is, in and of itself, insulting to said spirits? In fact, the spirits seem to be hell bent on avoiding such questions, despite their reported desperation to get their message out.

Flaccon claims to clearly hear her father's voice in the recordings. Scrappy claims to hear flaccon's father shouting whole sentences in said recordings despite never having heard or met flaccon's father in real life. Nobody else can make a jot of sense from those recordings (and I see the list of no-hearers has grown to 31). I would love for scrappy to identify which recording he hears those shouted full sentences, but he won't do that. I would love for scrappy to specify how exactly he can identify the voice that is on those recordings, but he won't do that either. It seems, so far, that one must simply "bleeve". Also, one must insert extraneous unnecessary spaces before punctuation in ones posts for some reason.
 
scrappy said:
Yes I am sure thank you .
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It has already been pointed out to you that we know of two people - Alderbank and his nephew - who did not hear the voices "hands on". So you are certainly mistaken about the score.

Perhaps you should consider whether you might also be mistaken about some other things you are sure of.
 
Alderbank said:
Mojo, Larsen list?
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tuxcat said:
What's a Larsen List?
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Claus Larsen was an original forum member who no longer posts here. He became famous for two types of posts. The first was in response to an initial claim. He would simply quoted the claim then type "Evidence?"

The second was what became known as the Larsen List. When a thread became what he perceived to be simply disguised attempts by the claimants to avoid the issues raised by skeptics, he would post a numbered and ever growing list of concerns and questions that the claimant was avoiding. He kept meticulous notes and was a thorn both to claimants for his thorough doggedness and to skeptics for his frequent abrasiveness.
 
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I resisted the temptation to post some attempts at humor, which scrappy would possibly have taken as insulting. I would nevertheless like to make the comment that although it is established that pareidolia is "in the mind", it is pretty much established that "spirit communication", and indeed communication with God is also "in the mind".

So flaccon and scrappy might be hearing something that no-one else can hear, and does not appear on the physical files.

In this regard some may be interested in my latest post in:
JREF Forum >> General Topics >> Religion and Philosophy >> Absence of evidence is evidence of absence
 
PartSkeptic said:
I resisted the temptation to post some attempts at humor, which scrappy would possibly have taken as insulting. I would nevertheless like to make the comment that although it is established that pareidolia is "in the mind", it is pretty much established that "spirit communication", and indeed communication with God is also "in the mind".
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What is not established is that "spirit communication" actually exists.

PartSkeptic said:
So flaccon and scrappy might be hearing something that no-one else can hear, and does not appear on the physical files.
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It is clearly true that flaccon and scrappy have experiences which they interpret as hearing things, things which others do not hear. What is also true, and just as important, is that there is no evidence that they actually hear the same things even when they claim to, and that what they apparently hear isn't actually something they are hearing but creating.


PartSkeptic said:
In this regard some may be interested in my latest post in:
JREF Forum >> General Topics >> Religion and Philosophy >> Absence of evidence is evidence of absence
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I read it and responded there. It offers little, I am afraid.
 
PartSkeptic said:
I resisted the temptation to post some attempts at humor, which scrappy would possibly have taken as insulting. I would nevertheless like to make the comment that although it is established that pareidolia is "in the mind", it is pretty much established that "spirit communication", and indeed communication with God is also "in the mind".

So flaccon and scrappy might be hearing something that no-one else can hear, and does not appear on the physical files.
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Really? Then why is flaccon claiming it could be tested for the MDC if it is only in her mind? Why is flaccon sharing audio files both here and in person which she purports to be actual recordings of spirits if it is only in her mind? Are you really going to claim that flaccon is unable to differentiate between noises in her head and noises outside her head?

Regardless of flaccon's claims, if I were flaccon, I would find your statements grievously insulting and condescending.

PartSkeptic said:
In this regard some may be interested in my latest post in:
JREF Forum >> General Topics >> Religion and Philosophy >> Absence of evidence is evidence of absence
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Funny enough, no, not really.
 
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