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Proving the Aurora Theater Shooting's official story false

Neveos said:
typically, in the presence of a case of conspiracy or high-level corruption, there is usually an indication that certain things could be at risk such as mass homicide, war, and literal threats to the entire human species with these science fiction things called weapons of mass destruction. But, ya know...
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Rage against the machine, dude.
 
Neveos said:
and, ya know, this part which I haven't quoted yet:
"Eighteen-year old Gage Hankins of Forest in northwest Ohio said in a televised news conference Monday the attack came about 20 minutes into the movie at a scene with gunshots.
Hankins says he and his friends heard a hissing noise, saw smoke, heard a loud bang and then a lot of popping noises."
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Until the day when your family is dead, when you have to step up an be counted, that day is the day your opinion matters, not before. I have buried too many, whose boots you are not fit to lick. You know nothing of blood and death and real lives, and real heroes for that matter, because you are afraid to step outside your basement.
 
Neveos said:
Did you also know they tend to go a few centimeters through various solid materials?
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Did you know that this is actually wrong, as I showed you way back here?

Did you know that you can (assuming you live the US) buy the exact same rifle he used and try these tests yourself? Go ahead, try it, since it's obvious you don't want to trust any information from any source that contradicts you're current beliefs.
 
Neveos said:
That's the thing about that pesky problem of numerical identity. You see, sometimes there are two different things. I know it's hard to grasp that, but sometimes when we speak of something, and no matter how much something else might resemble it, it's actually a completely different thing altogether. It's crazy, I know.

http://s24.postimg.org/wtq0fjgj8/theater8.jpg
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I am guessing this was meant as sarcasm but the link doesn't work so I have no clue what you are talking about.

It should be pretty easy to prove your claim that the stairway walls were constructed at "X" height. I won't hold my breath.
 
Am I missing something here? Please tell me if I am.

Firecrackers are, I am assuming, a form of firework.

In order for fireworks to go off, they have to be lit first.

So how come none of the witnessess report someone running in, lighting firecreackers and throwing them around the cinema, or stashing them down by the patrons' feet? You would think someone would have noticed something like that.

Or has someone patented self-lighting firecrackers? Which are completely invisible until they go off?
 
Biscuit said:
I am guessing this was meant as sarcasm but the link doesn't work so I have no clue what you are talking about.

It should be pretty easy to prove your claim that the stairway walls were constructed at "X" height. I won't hold my breath.
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The image was simply a photo of theater 8 with lines pointing towards the various walls present there.
 
Neveos said:
You realize bullets only go about 2 or 3 feet through water at high velocity?
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Another lie.

Mythbusters said:
In their first experiment, the experimenters shot the 9mm pistol straight down into the water. At a range of up to seven feet, the 9mm round was effective in completely penetrating the ballistics gel – meaning a person at the same range would be killed. At eight feet, the bullet entered but did not exit the gel, indicating a possible non-fatal wound. Past eight feet, the gel was undisturbed.

The shotgun, loaded with a 3” deer slug instead of buckshot, not only "killed" the ballistic gel target at six feet, it destroyed the acrylic water tank, ending that method of testing.
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=Neveos said:
Did you also know they tend to go a few centimeters through various solid materials?
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Another lie.

Photos of an AR 15 round penetrating 4 consecutive sheets of drywall.

Stop lying please. Your fantasy is silly, and you are unimportant.
 
Neveos said:
Such a straw man fallacy. You want to try to avoid committing fallacies, it usually indicates you are A.) not rational, and B.) arguing a false position. Obviously we are talking about bullets travelling through something (possibly 6 somethings) other than air. You realize bullets only go about 2 or 3 feet through water at high velocity? Did you also know they tend to go a few centimeters through various solid materials?
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The ammunition used in Holmes' AR-15 is much stronger than your basic handgun ammunition.

Here's a video of a guy showing just how penetrative the AR-15 is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAOW59Ck9LU

What materials are the walls made of that the AR-15 could not have penetrated?
 
FrederickEason said:
The image was simply a photo of theater 8 with lines pointing towards the various walls present there.
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It's a photo which might carelessly be interpreted as showing a tall wall next to the seats, if one omitted to compare the left side of the theatre to the right and realise it is symmetrical. The slightly more careful observer would note that there is a staircase between the walls and the seats, which means that the wall is not nearly so tall as it would appear to be if one assumed there was no such gap.

A rather obvious clue is the handrail near the top of the wall. Standard height for a handrail is usually 33", so the wall is a little over 3 feet high.
 
Neveos said:
The wall is high enough, that even if the subject had his arm resting on his head, it would still have to go through that wall. Point being: the bullet is not going over the wall to strike Gage.
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You seem to have trouble with thinking three dimensionally. Is your real name Khan?

Why can't the bullet have gone over the wall? If the shot came from the neighboring theater anywhere closer to the front of the theater than the victim was seated, then the wall it would have to pass over would be lower than it is right next to the victim. Look at the picture of theater 8 again, the wall is steeply angled, the top of the wall at any given row is near the floor height a row or two behind it.

shoots through 3 walls near entry door (combating a previous poster):

http://s18.postimg.org/trvu3m0ax/overheadwire.png
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Your "overhead" view is isometric, it's not straight top down. that makes your red line look farther back than it is.


ETA: Yes, I see this has been covered already.
 
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Mudcat said:
Y'all make fun and call the belief ridiculous, I call it frightening.

If pretty much everyone except the conspiracy theorists are in on it and they alone are the good guys in a world full of bad guys than what is to stop them from acting out in some action fantasy? Especially if that person is particularly unstable or has some kind of organic disease that predisposes them towards violence, such as Christopher Dorner?
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I realize it is frightening, yes. It's mildly disgusting when CTers throw themselves at real tragedies and play Kindergarden CSI by taking things out of context, scrabbling all over photos in MS Paint, and generally applying pseudo-science and misunderstandings about how the wolrd works to everything; and it's ridiculous and funny how they can decide out of the blue that they know better than qualified investigators with relevant education, and that they are so much smarter than everyone else that they've uncovered a plot in five minutes that everyone else has overlooked...

...but yes, it does get scary when you consider that out of all the nutcases with delusions such as "there is usually an indication that certain things could be at risk such as mass homicide, war, and literal threats to the entire human species with these science fiction things called weapons of mass destruction" (Neveos, this thread), there's bound to be one or two Usamas, McVeighs and Breiviks who actually decide to grab a rifle, make a bomb, and go out there and save the world.

and, ya know, this part which I haven't quoted yet:
"Eighteen-year old Gage Hankins of Forest in northwest Ohio said in a televised news conference Monday the attack came about 20 minutes into the movie at a scene with gunshots.Hankins says he and his friends heard a hissing noise, saw smoke, heard a loud bang and then a lot of popping noises."
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What does this tell you?
 
Neveos said:
Such a straw man fallacy. You want to try to avoid committing fallacies, it usually indicates you are A.) not rational, and B.) arguing a false position. Obviously we are talking about bullets travelling through something (possibly 6 somethings) other than air. You realize bullets only go about 2 or 3 feet through water at high velocity? Did you also know they tend to go a few centimeters through various solid materials?
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Lolz. Stundies r us.
 
Neveos said:
Such a straw man fallacy. You want to try to avoid committing fallacies, it usually indicates you are A.) not rational, and B.) arguing a false position. Obviously we are talking about bullets travelling through something (possibly 6 somethings) other than air. You realize bullets only go about 2 or 3 feet through water at high velocity? Did you also know they tend to go a few centimeters through various solid materials?
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The walls were water filled?

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But, but in Saving Private Ryan bullets went very far through water o.O, and you can shoot people through walls in Call of Modern Duty 193!!
 
FrederickEason said:
The image was simply a photo of theater 8 with lines pointing towards the various walls present there.
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I figured as much but couldn't make heads or tails of his argument.

I know that not all theatres are alike in the design of the stairway wall but I can't think of any reason why the wall would be much taller than the hand rail, a stated 33". Building it taller would serve no function and would add costs to the building of the theatres. There is no logical reason to even think of building them taller yet alone actually build them taller.
 
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