....and IMO an attention whore. The absolute last thing he wants is to leave the country quietly and begin his new life in obscurity in beautiful downtown Ambato.
How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?
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....and IMO an attention whore. The absolute last thing he wants is to leave the country quietly and begin his new life in obscurity in beautiful downtown Ambato.
Mojo
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The thing is, you have already stated that:
And immediately clarified that they would demonstrate that they "behaved decently" by "going after Bush".
The Swedish government's stated reason for extraditing and prosecuting Assange is the "sex crimes". That is the basis on which they applied for extradition. That means that the only proper thing for them to be "after" him for is the sex crimes. If there was "no suspect that they are after Assange for the sex crimes" then they must be "after" him for some other reason than their stated reason for proceeding, the prosecution would be improper, and the extradition the result of false pretences. This would not be the behaviour of a "decent government".
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Mojo
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Sticking to words instead of looking at what the other person wants to say.
Looking at one tree at time and you do not see the forest
Please believe that Assange is a criminal, Snowden also, and the moon is made of cheese. I wont stop you
erwinl
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You believe he is innocent?
Mojo
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There you go with the strawman again. I have not claimed that Assange is a criminal. I prefer to wait for the courts to look at the evidence and make their decision. That's what the trial is for. Even if they were to find him guilty, I might not be convinced of his guilt. That would depend on what evidence I had seen.
The issue here is whether there is any reason that Sweden should not be allowed to prosecute offences allegedly committed on Swedish soil, against Swedish citizens, for which a complaint has been made, and for which an extradition application has been declared valid. You have failed to provide any valid reason.
You are the one here who is leaping to unjustified beliefs.
ETA:
The Snowden situation is quite different from Assange's. Snowden has committed acts that are almost certainly criminal offences under US law, although that doesn't mean that the whistleblowing wasn't justified. Those offences are directly related to his leaking the information, and the charges are being brought by a country that has been severely embarrassed by the leaks. The offences of which Assange has been accused are unrelated to leaked information, and being prosecuted by a country other than the one that you claim wants to punish Assange for the leaks.
As for the Moon being made of cheese, unless you can provide any evidence that I believe that we can safely assume that you're making personal attacks again, can't we?
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Mojo
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Border Reiver
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Irrelevant to my statements. A country can only request that someone be extradited if they have been accused of a crime.
abaddon
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Indeed. Faux pas noted. Forgiveness please. I do my best, yet fail to achieve perfection always.
Sure.
They can wait Assange go out of the Embassy and accuse of a crime one second later.
Please believe that the US Government is playing fair. Obama is soooo cute !
He even wrote very good books.
Maybe you bought one ?
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Mojo
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Why didn't they accuse him of a crime before he went to the embassy, for example back in 2010 when he was held in custody before being granted bail?
As they are Jackals, not Jackasses
Mojo
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Doesn't even remotely address the question.
Why didn't they accuse him of a crime before he went to the embassy?
Dancing David
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They are charging Snowden withing two weeks, Assange still no US charges...
As the US Government is made by criminals, but criminals with a brain?
Dancing David
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So , still no evidence that the US wants to extradite Assange from Sweden. Charges were brought against Snowden within two weeks.
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This says so much more about Assange's mental state than it does about what Sweden and the USA are or are not doing.
Still many people in the US support the idea that Snowden is a criminal, not a patriot.
What a surprise!
They believe what Obama told them that Snowden is a criminal.
Another what a surprise!
People blindly believe what their Governments tell them.
It is a fact.
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What is surprising is your inability to conceive of a scenario where one cannot be both.
Snowden is a confessed criminal, in that he has broken several laws with respect to the disclosure of classified information and several security acts. He alleges that he has done so out of a concern that the government's information collection activities, in his opinion, breach a number of fundamental rights belonging to US citizens.
What some are doing, much like yourself, is looking at the situation from only one side and not acknowledging that the other side might have a point.
Quite literally Snowden told the American people he was a criminal when he made his announcement from Hong Kong.
And some refuse to accept that governments might be telling the truth from time to time.