• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Proof of Life After Death!!

Garrette said:
Impossible to tell since we have only your word regarding an unevidenced story told through fallible memory and entirely absent both a specific claim and any analysis.

If you wish to convince us, do not tell us stories of what has happened. Tell us specifically what you can do, under what circumstances and with what degree of accuracy/success. Then tell us how you determined that accuracy.

This requires detail, math, and a knowledge of how the brain works along with all the things we have discussed in this thread like confirmation bias.

Just claims without all that mean nothing.
Click to expand...
Believers only require belief and faith. Just reality without all that mean nothing (to them).
 
Last edited:
ynot said:
Not a coincidence at all. Merely your unsupported, anecdotal claim. Why should we take such a claim seriously, let alone believe it?
Not a coincidence at all. He buried her by the sea therefore he knows exactly where to point to..
Not a coincidence at all. Merely your unsupported, anecdotal claim. Why should we take such a claim seriously, let alone believe it?
Sorry but not a single coincidence in anything you say.

You seem to be claiming that you communicated with a dead person that Jacob killed but earlier admitted that seems “unlikely”. Why should we believe your claims when you have trouble believing them yourself?
Click to expand...

No I can't talk to the dead. The girl was alive back then when I watched Jacob and got the thoughts about him. Must go to bed now. You know I don't live in America...way past midnight here!!
 
PiscesMercury said:
No I can't talk to the dead. The girl was alive back then when I watched Jacob and got the thoughts about him. Must go to bed now. You know I don't live in America...way past midnight here!!
Click to expand...
Sorry I should have picked that up from - “was going to kill someone”.
So what paranormal ability do you believe you have then?
I didn't know you don't live iin America but nor do I - Sweet dreams
 
Last edited:
PiscesMercury said:
I suppose it's a coincidence that I fully believed that Jacob guy was going to kill someone. Using your logic it must also be a coincidence that he was able to point out exactly where he buried the girl...300 km from where she went missing, near the sea. It's also a coincidence that I started thinking about the sea as I watched him. Lots of coincidences. :boxedin:
Click to expand...
Even if we assume that your anecdote is both true and remembered completely accurately (and the latter in particular is unlikely, given the fallibility and malliability of human memory) there is nothing about it that suggests you are psychic. There are lots of ways you could have picked up that this guy might be dangerous (our instincts have evolved to do just that), and yes - it might just be a coincidence. Coincidences happen every day. Most people can expect to experience a few minor ones every year, and several astonishing ones in the course of an average lifetime.

If you really want to find out if you're psychic then you need to find a way to establish whether you can consistently guess information you can't know with your normal senses more often than would be expected by chance.Keep in mind when thinking how to do this that we all tend to vastly underestimate how likely coincidences are to occur.
 
Last edited:
To anyone who feels we should read woo books to understand the subject, I have only to say my experience has not been rewarding. Sometimes the logic errors are so frequent and glaring, the fantasy so frivolous, and the obvious psychology manipulation so strong that I just can't stomach an entire book. I get the point after a few pages and that's all I can take, since I can't reply to the author in any meaningful way. It's not a dialogue, it's a monologue with no hope of refutation.
 
Sherman Bay said:
To anyone who feels we should read woo books to understand the subject, I have only to say my experience has not been rewarding. Sometimes the logic errors are so frequent and glaring, the fantasy so frivolous, and the obvious psychology manipulation so strong that I just can't stomach an entire book. I get the point after a few pages and that's all I can take, since I can't reply to the author in any meaningful way. It's not a dialogue, it's a monologue with no hope of refutation.
Click to expand...

Would you have reached this understanding without reading the books?
 
PiscesMercury said:
Using your logic it must also be a coincidence that he was able to point out exactly where he buried the girl...300 km from where she went missing, near the sea.
Click to expand...

Using any logic, why would it be a coincidence that he pointed out exactly where he himself buried her? :confused:
 
desertgal said:
Using any logic, why would it be a coincidence that he pointed out exactly where he himself buried her? :confused:
Click to expand...
What I meant is that...maybe it was just a lucky strike when he pointed out the exact spot after confessing. Well, that really does seem unlikely, doesn't it? The locals themselves might actually fall for that one, but luckily justice prevailed in court. Curiously most locals feel sorry for him, saying he "must be very sick" and is "still their friend." Shrinks said he is autistic and he just said he was "destined to kill". Any more questions about this horrible crime or my esp or supposed lack of it?
 
PiscesMercury said:
What I meant is that...maybe it was just a lucky strike when he pointed out the exact spot after confessing. Well, that really does seem unlikely, doesn't it? The locals themselves might actually fall for that one, but luckily justice prevailed in court. Curiously most locals feel sorry for him, saying he "must be very sick" and is "still their friend." Shrinks said he is autistic and he just said he was "destined to kill". Any more questions about this horrible crime or my esp or supposed lack of it?
Click to expand...

I'm sorry, I still don't understand what you're trying to say. IF he killed and buried her, why would it be "lucky" for him to know where she was buried?
 
People do sometimes confess to crimes they did not commit...to get attention. About 60 people confessed to killing someone once, although none had evidence. It happens. Think of the Jonbenet Ramsey case...that one guy confessed, but it wasn't him. Can't remember his name.
 
PiscesMercury said:
People do sometimes confess to crimes they did not commit...to get attention. About 60 people confessed to killing someone once, although none had evidence. It happens. Think of the Jonbenet Ramsey case...that one guy confessed, but it wasn't him. Can't remember his name.
Click to expand...
So you think Jason might have falsely admitted to the killing and just got lucky with the location of the body? But that would make your “thoughts” about him wrong/lucky as well. Are you saying that Jason might not be the killer and you may have no paranormal abilities because you both just got lucky?
 
Last edited:
Reading books by psychics doesn’t help in debates with their believers any more than reading The Bible helps in debates with Christians. The response is always “You’ve got it wrong. You don’t understand. Read it again more carefully”. Just like Robin1 has been saying in this thread.
 
ynot said:
Reading books by psychics doesn’t help in debates with their believers any more than reading The Bible helps in debates with Christians. The response is always “You’ve got it wrong. You don’t understand. Read it again more carefully”. Just like Robin1 has been saying in this thread.
Click to expand...

Perhaps so, but if the bible is part of the debate, not reading it is a dumb move
 
ynot said:
Have you considered that allowing the Bible to become part of the god debate may be a dumber move
Click to expand...

No. I don't see how you can allow or disallow anything to be part of 'the god debate'.
There can be a debate about god without reference to the bible, for sure, but there can also be reference to the bible.
 
Sherman Bay said:
To anyone who feels we should read woo books to understand the subject, I have only to say my experience has not been rewarding. Sometimes the logic errors are so frequent and glaring, the fantasy so frivolous, and the obvious psychology manipulation so strong that I just can't stomach an entire book. I get the point after a few pages and that's all I can take, since I can't reply to the author in any meaningful way. It's not a dialogue, it's a monologue with no hope of refutation.
Click to expand...

I know, it's mind-numbing. It's frustrating and pound-your-head-on-the-desk aggravating and sometimes it's just cringe-worthy. I have been trying to read a Long Island Psychic book and I can't get past chapter 2. It's agony.

My 11-year-old son said it's the most poorly written book he's ever tried to read.

Actual logic errors are a relief to find. Then at least you have something useful to debunk. But I hardly ever find those, usually it's just a bunch of feel-good opinions, and "the spirits tell me there's no negativity in the afterlife" kinds of statements that can't even be argued.

But it is worthwhile for the background, I do stand by that.

Maybe I'll create a thread summarizing what the psychics and mediums are teaching these days to save everyone the grief of having to read it for themselves. When I get some free time. Anyone who is familiar with it could chip in and contribute since I'm probably a little rusty on some of it.
 
PiscesMercury said:
What I meant is that...maybe it was just a lucky strike when he pointed out the exact spot after confessing. Well, that really does seem unlikely, doesn't it? The locals themselves might actually fall for that one, but luckily justice prevailed in court. Curiously most locals feel sorry for him, saying he "must be very sick" and is "still their friend." Shrinks said he is autistic and he just said he was "destined to kill". Any more questions about this horrible crime or my esp or supposed lack of it?
Click to expand...

What is it that you are trying to say here? YOU said you knew the man was going to murder someone before he actually did. Now you're saying he isn't the murderer after all?

Are you the killer? Is that what you are saying? You're not making any sense.
 
I am posting a transcript of a dream I had where my mother seemed to be assuring me that she was ok in death wherever she was. I don't know what to believe about it but give it a read and see what you think.
Yesterday morning I had a very strange dream. In the dream I was carrying a mattress toward a barn at some familiar place and just after I set it down in there I heard the voice of Mom calling my name. I quickly exclaimed Mom where are you? She said to the effect that its difficult to explain but she's doing quite well. Now I'm laughing and jovial and though the dream scene shifts as dreams do for me the very clear voice of Mom in say 1970 continued like I'm on a cell phone moving around. I couldn't make up that voice if I tried. I ask for more details but all she could say was she's getting things done involing a lot of people. I ask are you fixing a place for me- a long pause then yes definitely another pause- I laughed and said I'm ready to go now. Another pause- what do you mean? I say I was only kidding because it sounded so good. She said just as I thought well ok. I ask do you ever see (my) grandparents? long pause- yes but not often they have their own lives to lead. I said funny I'm not scared because I can feel your love coming through- She answered of course. I said I love you and miss you and she says I know. By this time the dream scene has changed to a drug store where I thought I'd need to get batteries. The end I woke up.
 
Last edited:
Fellow Traveler said:
I am posting a transcript of a dream I had where my mother seemed to be assuring me that she was ok in death wherever she was. I don't know what to believe about it but give it a read and see what you think.
Yesterday morning I had a very strange dream. In the dream I was carrying a mattress toward a barn at some familiar place and just after I set it down in there I heard the voice of Mom calling my name. I quickly exclaimed Mom where are you? She said to the effect that its difficult to explain but she's doing quite well. Now I'm laughing and jovial and though the dream scene shifts as dreams do for me the very clear voice of Mom in say 1970 continued like I'm on a cell phone moving around. I couldn't make up that voice if I tried. I ask for more details but all she could say was she's getting things done involing a lot of people. I ask are you fixing a place for me- a long pause then yes definitely another pause- I laughed and said I'm ready to go now. Another pause- what do you mean? I say I was only kidding because it sounded so good. She said just as I thought well ok. I ask do you ever see (my) grandparents? long pause- yes but not often they have their own lives to lead. I said funny I'm not scared because I can feel your love coming through- She answered of course. I said I love you and miss you and she says I know. By this time the dream scene has changed to a drug store where I thought I'd need to get batteries. The end I woke up.
Click to expand...

I have vivid dreams and I had one not that long ago where I felt like both my deceased grandmothers were on the phone with me. As you said, their voices were so vivid and distinct, I thought it amazing that my mind could create such an exact replica of how they sounded. In the dream, they sounded so real, I was convinced it was really them, and I was excited at the chance to talk to them as I missed them both. Not only that, but how amazing is it to have a chance to talk to someone who has died?! They told me various things about how they were doing in the afterlife, and then my maternal grandmother asked me to give a message to my mother: She shouldn't feel bad about not being there when my grandmother had been outdoors walking and died. I promised to pass on the message.

On waking, I realized my grandmother had died in the hospital after suffering a stroke during physical therapy. She hadn't been walking outdoors in months. My mother had no guilt.

The mind is capable of incredible things, including replicating voices from memory.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom