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How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

Watanabe said:
It is out of the scope of this thread to discuss the guidelines.
If you are interested, please open another one
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That would be well within the scope of this discussion to discuss any guidelines that would guarantee that Mr. Assange's potential Swedish trial for sexual assault was conducted fairly and without political interference. A guarantee from Sweden that he would not be extradicted to the US would probably be the best.

Of course that would require that Mr. Assange be charged with an offence in the US, which I do not believe he has been to date. And that the US then request extradition.
 
Border Reiver said:
That would be well within the scope of this discussion to discuss any guidelines that would guarantee that Mr. Assange's potential Swedish trial for sexual assault was conducted fairly and without political interference. A guarantee from Sweden that he would not be extradicted to the US would probably be the best.

Of course that would require that Mr. Assange be charged with an offence in the US, which I do not believe he has been to date. And that the US then request extradition.
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I do not see why this would be required.
 
Watanabe said:
It is out of the scope of this thread to discuss the guidelines.
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Evidence?
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That would be completely within the scope of this thread.
It would discuss how Sweden would be able to fairly prosecute Assange.
Fairly being defined as in fair for all. Assange and the ladies who put in the charge.
 
Watanabe said:
I do not see why this would be required.
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This response is a little ambiguous.

Is it that you don't see why a guarantee that Sweden won't be extradicting Mr. Assange to the US might be required to give Mr. Assange some confidence that he won't be extradicted, or is it that you don't see the need for the US to have formally charged Mr. Assange before he can be extradicted to the US?
 
Border Reiver said:
This response is a little ambiguous.

Is it that you don't see why a guarantee that Sweden won't be extradicting Mr. Assange to the US might be required to give Mr. Assange some confidence that he won't be extradicted, or is it that you don't see the need for the US to have formally charged Mr. Assange before he can be extradicted to the US?
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None of the two.

By the way, if Sweden was really interested in justice, they would have done more to go after GWB.
 
erwinl said:
That would be completely within the scope of this thread.
It would discuss how Sweden would be able to fairly prosecute Assange.
Fairly being defined as in fair for all. Assange and the ladies who put in the charge.
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When I will have a guarantee from the mods that I will not be sanctioned I will go ahead
 
Watanabe said:
Evidence?
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Well all evidence to date points towards it:

  • It's what he's been charged with
  • It's what the EAW was issued for
  • There are no other charges against him
  • Other people and organisations who are just, if not more, responsible for publicising the information have not been charged in relation with the publication of the information or on other, trumped up charges
  • The only person charged in connection with the leaks is the person who leaked the information in the first place. Bradley Manning was charged directly with acts related to the leaks, he wasn't hauled up on other charges
 
Watanabe said:
By the way, if Sweden was really interested in justice, they would have done more to go after GWB.
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GWB initiated a war in Iraq that did not involve Sweden and of which the Swedish government was critical. No Swedes were involved.

Julian Assange is accused of a criminal act against two Swedish citizens by those citizens.

Which offence is more likely to get the attention and resources of the Swedish prosecutor's office? The one where Swedish citizens are involved or the one where they are not? Provide your justification to the complainants why their complaint should not be dealt with.
 
Watanabe said:
When I will have a guarantee from the mods that I will not be sanctioned I will go ahead
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????? This would totally answer the first part of the OP question.
Why not try to answer it?

How would you (if it were in your power) arrange it to guarantee a fair trial for both Assange and the two women in order to ascertain whether he is guilty of rape?
 
Border Reiver said:
GWB initiated a war in Iraq that did not involve Sweden and of which the Swedish government was critical. No Swedes were involved.

Julian Assange is accused of a criminal act against two Swedish citizens by those citizens.

Which offence is more likely to get the attention and resources of the Swedish prosecutor's office? The one where Swedish citizens are involved or the one where they are not? Provide your justification to the complainants why their complaint should not be dealt with.
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Totally irrelevant.
Both Sweden and the US are country of planet Earth.
 
erwinl said:
????? This would totally answer the first part of the OP question.
Why not try to answer it?

How would you (if it were in your power) arrange it to guarantee a fair trial for both Assange and the two women in order to ascertain whether he is guilty of rape?
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In which position of power?
 
The Don said:
Well all evidence to date points towards it:

  • It's what he's been charged with
  • It's what the EAW was issued for
  • There are no other charges against him
  • Other people and organisations who are just, if not more, responsible for publicising the information have not been charged in relation with the publication of the information or on other, trumped up charges
  • The only person charged in connection with the leaks is the person who leaked the information in the first place. Bradley Manning was charged directly with acts related to the leaks, he wasn't hauled up on other charges
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Points to, if you blindly believe what your Government and authorities tell you
 
First of all, you suggested that we could discuss guidelines to avoid a "ploitical prosecution":
Watanabe said:
We could discuss which are the guidelines that could be put in place to avoid a ploitical prosecution of Assange.
But the funny fact is that the people are always criticizing Assange for his behaviour than criticizing their own soldiers for the crimes that the leaks showed, and this points me to think that the peoblem is even deeper, with the mentality of the people that see the "enemy" only on the other side..
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Then:
Watanabe said:
erwinl said:
Well. What would those guidelines be?
They would have to protect him against political persecution, but also would have to protect the rights of the women, if he would be guilty. In that case he would have to go to prison, wouldn't you agree?
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It is out of the scope of this thread to discuss the guidelines.
If you are interested, please open another one
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Then:
Watanabe said:
erwinl said:
That would be completely within the scope of this thread.
It would discuss how Sweden would be able to fairly prosecute Assange.
Fairly being defined as in fair for all. Assange and the ladies who put in the charge.
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When I will have a guarantee from the mods that I will not be sanctioned I will go ahead
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We're in a thread about whether Sweden can fairly prosecute Assange. What guidelines may or may not be in place to ensure a fair prosecution is obviously within the topic of the thread.
 
Watanabe said:
Points to, if you blindly believe what your Government and authorities tell you
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These are objective facts instead of wild imaginings. You have asserted that the prosecution of Julian Assange is politically motivated but have not provided a shred of objective evidence.
 
erwinl said:
I'm not asking for that. How would you arrange a fair trial for both Assange and the two women?
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The problem is not within the justice system, is with the people
If people do not care about others then people in power will try to keep their power and silence the opposition
It is all about people uninformed and believeing what they are told.
 
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