How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

[Mojo]

None of the cases involved one of the biggest leak of cables in history

Including the Assange case.

 

[icerat]

And what could they have used as excuse?

Ummm ... if you receive an extradition request you don't need an "excuse" to extradite, you have a reason (assuming everything is done properly).

 

[Dancing David]

Assuming that the magistrate in Sweden is looking after Assange because of the sex crimes

That is the reason that they give, your conspiracy theory is yours.

 

[Dancing David]

You think the US Government is short at excuses for keeping people in jail or throw them without even a trial?

Guantanamo..

Derailing your own thread again.

What grounds for extradition were presented to the Swedes by the US?

 

[Dancing David]

It is the Swedish Government that has not behaved in a similar way with GWB. Funny.

What citizen of Sweden filed a report of sexual assault against GWB?

 

[trustbutverify]

I would be much opposed to a court prosecuting George Bush not for justice, but for anti-US political biasedness

How would you know the difference? What makes you think you have some insight into what "justice" is?

 

[Dancing David]

Some evidence that North Korea is a democracy ..

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a genuine workers' state in which all the people are completely liberated from exploitation and oppression. The workers, peasants, soldiers and intellectuals are the true masters of their destiny and are in a unique position to defend their interests.

http://www.korea-dpr.com/

derail, off topic.

 

[Wudang]

That is the reason that they give, your conspiracy theory is yours.

Votes to move to CT?

 

[tsig]

Well it was a sufficiently big "leak"

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_toilet_slang



Which of course why that example was chosen

Big leakers get to take the piss as far as law is concerned.

 

[Klimax]

Big leakers get to take the piss as far as law is concerned.

Until being flushed...

 

[uke2se]

Votes to move to CT?

You have my vote.

 

[Watanabe]

And? Still not shown why it does matter.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40412689/ns/us_news-security/t/clinton-leaks-tear-fabric-government/

...and the academic studies from various countries ?

...and the evidence by their behaviour ?

Remember, I included the official statement just to provide the baseline of what *should* happen. The academic studies and the examples of actual cases demonstrate that actual behaviour aligns with stated objectives in the case of the Swedish Justice System. This is not the case for the North Korean Government.

That is unless you have some actual evidence of the Swedish Justice System not being independent and yielding to foreign pressure (as opposed to your gut feel regarding Julian Assange).

Do you want me to post here a few academic studies that homeopathy works?

"Political biasedness" is not a criminal offence in Sweden, so they can't prosecute him for that.

Would you be opposed to the Swedish courts prosecuting Bush for, for example, war crimes?

If the prosecution is not politically motivated, I would not.
If the prosecution for Assange were not politically motivated, I would favour it

 

[Watanabe]

Well there's suspicion, but I don't agree that it is legitimate. So far you have provided no evidence that the Swedish Justice System is in any way politically motivated. On the other hand you have been provided with:

• The statement of intent from the Swedish Justice System indicating that they are independent of political influence
• Two academic studies which show that the Swedish Judicial System is indeed politically independent
• Examples of cases where the Swedish Justice System is demonstrably independent perticularly with respect to pressure from foreign governments
• Details of how the Swedish Justice System is following standard protocol with regards to seeking an EAW
• Details of how the United States cannot extradite Julian Assange from Sweden even if they wanted to
• Illustrations of how alternative approaches (for example the US seeking extradition from the UK) would be more successful
• Evidence that the United States do not even want to bring charges agianst Julian Assange
• Evidence that the US has not sought to prosecute the newspapers who have done at least as much if not more than Julian Assange to put the Wikileaks material into the public domain
• A semi-humorous wordplay based on both taking urine and the slang meaning of the word leak

Now, if you want to claim that the Swedish Justice System is impartially and fairly investigating accusations of sexual assault which have been brought maliciously by women who have been put up to it by the US to get Julan Assange behind bars for *something* even if it is for sexual assault and in Sweden then that's a different matter. Equally ridiculous but a different matter.

1) and you have the official statement from NK
2) and you can find academic studies for homeopathy
3 not when the person is responsible of big leaks
4) does not show it is not politically motivated
5) and 6) do not speak about what you do not know
7) sure. Not before they grab him ..
8) bs, it was Assange talking with Manning.
9) nc

 

[Watanabe]

Double

 

[Watanabe]

Including the Assange case.

?

Ummm ... if you receive an extradition request you don't need an "excuse" to extradite, you have a reason (assuming everything is done properly).

?

That is the reason that they give, your conspiracy theory is yours.

Go believe everything they tell you.

It is your right

 

[Watanabe]

How would you know the difference? What makes you think you have some insight into what "justice" is?

I try to use what I have between my ears and not blindly believe what I am told.
This is something everybody should do I believe

 

[The Don]

Do you want me to post here a few academic studies that homeopathy works?

I'd like you to post some evidence to show that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence. One or two examples should suffice.

A good example would be of someone extradited from Sweden to a foreign country at the insistence of that country even though that extradition was not in line with Swedish law.

 

[Wudang]

I try to use what I have between my ears and not blindly believe what I am told.
This is something everybody should do I believe

Well all that seems to be between your ears is an unfounded suspicion. Feel free to present any facts or reasoning.

1) and you have the official statement from NK
2) and you can find academic studies for homeopathy

And every such "academic" study that has been posted here has been torn to shreds for misuse of facts, poor design and other grounds. What grounds do you have to dismiss this study other than that it disagrees with you?

 

[The Don]

1) and you have the official statement from NK

Yes, but then in the case of Sweden and the Swedish legal system you have the evidence of how Sweden has behaved, in line with their political independence whereas in the case of North Korea we have all the evidence of them not behaving in line with their statement.

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

2) and you can find academic studies for homeopathy

If you look at the full set of studies you'll find that the majority demonstrate that homoeopathy isn't effective.

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

3 not when the person is responsible of big leaks

It has been independent in all cases to date, unless you know otherwise.

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

4) does not show it is not politically motivated

It demonstrates that the Swedish Justice System is behaving exactly as it should, in a politically independent way.

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

5) and 6) do not speak about what you do not know

There's plenty of evidence out there that the US could not extradite Julian Assange from Sweden.

As regards to speaking about what you do not know.....

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

7) sure. Not before they grab him ..

Do you have any evidence for this wild speculation ?

8) bs, it was Assange talking with Manning.

The newspapers were the ones who got the information in front of millions of people rather than a comparatively small number of people on a fringe website and yet they find themselves unprosecuted.


Of course all of this returns us to our familiar refrain: Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

 

[Watanabe]

Yes, but then in the case of Sweden and the Swedish legal system you have the evidence of how Sweden has behaved, in line with their political independence whereas in the case of North Korea we have all the evidence of them not behaving in line with their statement.

Where exactly is the evidence that, in case of big leaks, Sweden does not look for prosecution?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?

If you look at the full set of studies you'll find that the majority demonstrate that homoeopathy isn't effective.

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?

It has been independent in all cases to date, unless you know otherwise.

In how many cases the suspect was corresponsible of one of the biggest leaks in history?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?

It demonstrates that the Swedish Justice System is behaving exactly as it should, in a politically independent way.

Even when the prosecuted is responsible of big leaks?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?

There's plenty of evidence out there that the US could not extradite Julian Assange from Sweden.

Please show

As regards to speaking about what you do not know.....

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?

Do you have any evidence for this wild speculation ?[/QUOTE]

No, do you have evidence of the opposite?

The newspapers were the ones who got the information in front of millions of people rather than a comparatively small number of people on a fringe website and yet they find themselves unprosecuted.

For the US Government it would have been much easy to prosecute Assange than go against the New York Times

Of course all of this returns us to our familiar refrain: Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System isn't independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Judicial System is independent of political influence and in particular foreign political influence in case of big leaks?