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How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?
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Well here's the official position:
http://polis.osce.org/countries/f/71/185/The Swedish judicial system.pdf
So at least by intent it is independent.
Here is the twice-rejected study of judicial independence in Sweden
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-u...ependence/judicial-independence-in-europe.pdf
and another academic study
http://www.releaseglobal.org/images/The_Swedish_Example.pdf
So it's designed to be independent and academic studies show it to be. Elsewhere in this thread there are examples of cases where the Swedish Juducial System has refused to bow to pressure from foreign governments. I know you have rejected these cases because they are not exactly the same as Julian Assange's case but they demonstrate Swedish judicial independence in all other cases, so the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence that they have not been independence in this case.
You asked for evidence that the magistrate is pursuing Julian Assange for sex crimes.
The evidence is that all of the actions that the magistrate has taken to date are entirely consistent with pursuing Julian Assange to trial for sex offences.
Some evidence that North Korea is a democracy ..
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a genuine workers' state in which all the people are completely liberated from exploitation and oppression. The workers, peasants, soldiers and intellectuals are the true masters of their destiny and are in a unique position to defend their interests.
http://www.korea-dpr.com/
And also consistent with punishing Assange for the leaks
Mojo
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If you are to maintain a consistent position, it is necessary for you to also object to the possibility of George Bush being tried by such courts.
Are you opposed to Sweden prosecuting George Bush?
Klimax
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What kangaroo courts? There is no evidence for their existence.Watanabe said:
Selective cooperation with NATO != ally of USA. Several degrees removed from USA.
Never said that there is. There is also no evidence that they are fair when the accused is responsible of one of the biggest leaks
Still close enough for more than a mild criticism
I would be much opposed to a court prosecuting George Bush not for justice, but for anti-US political biasedness
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Then why are you opposed to Sweden trying Mr. Assange for the alleged sexual assault of its citizens?
As there is the legitimate suspicion that the whole prosecution can be politically motivated
Mojo
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it would be the same courts as the ones attempting to prosecute Assange. The ones that you have suggested are "kangaroo courts". Are you opposed to them prosecuting George Bush?
Klimax
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So why do you drag them in. And so far you have failed to counter all those cases which are fair.
None of the cases involved one of the biggest leak of cables in history
In case they prosecuted the smiling monkey for political biasedness, I would be opposed to .. ..
...and the academic studies from various countries ?
...and the evidence by their behaviour ?
Remember, I included the official statement just to provide the baseline of what *should* happen. The academic studies and the examples of actual cases demonstrate that actual behaviour aligns with stated objectives in the case of the Swedish Justice System. This is not the case for the North Korean Government.
That is unless you have some actual evidence of the Swedish Justice System not being independent and yielding to foreign pressure (as opposed to your gut feel regarding Julian Assange).
Mojo
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"Political biasedness" is not a criminal offence in Sweden, so they can't prosecute him for that.
Would you be opposed to the Swedish courts prosecuting Bush for, for example, war crimes?
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Well there's suspicion, but I don't agree that it is legitimate. So far you have provided no evidence that the Swedish Justice System is in any way politically motivated. On the other hand you have been provided with:
- The statement of intent from the Swedish Justice System indicating that they are independent of political influence
- Two academic studies which show that the Swedish Judicial System is indeed politically independent
- Examples of cases where the Swedish Justice System is demonstrably independent perticularly with respect to pressure from foreign governments
- Details of how the Swedish Justice System is following standard protocol with regards to seeking an EAW
- Details of how the United States cannot extradite Julian Assange from Sweden even if they wanted to
- Illustrations of how alternative approaches (for example the US seeking extradition from the UK) would be more successful
- Evidence that the United States do not even want to bring charges agianst Julian Assange
- Evidence that the US has not sought to prosecute the newspapers who have done at least as much if not more than Julian Assange to put the Wikileaks material into the public domain
- A semi-humorous wordplay based on both taking urine and the slang meaning of the word leak
Now, if you want to claim that the Swedish Justice System is impartially and fairly investigating accusations of sexual assault which have been brought maliciously by women who have been put up to it by the US to get Julan Assange behind bars for *something* even if it is for sexual assault and in Sweden then that's a different matter. Equally ridiculous but a different matter.
Klimax
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And? Still not shown why it does matter.Watanabe said: